Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Non book readers"

25-05-2016 01:43PM

leonil7 wrote: »

lot of work for this episode
kudos to everyone involved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXP1RHLLx4

Amazing video to show the sheer amount of work that can go into one scene. You can understand how the huge budget gets eaten up when you see the man-hours involved and the numerous departments working on their various tasks here.

All done for us ****s! :pac:

nicki11 · 25-05-2016 01:57PM

nhur wrote: »

I think the main attraction of the show is the complexity of the working parts and the possibilities that this complexity could lead to... we have seen some great scheming on a political and military level, we've seen the horrors of war and the glory of heroes, we've seen the victory of cruelty and the naivety of good... and all that with a light dusting of magic and dragons...
but...
the series started with great promise and possibility and as the end approaches it seems like it's not going to deliver on any of the amazing possibilities as it continues to deliver more of the same

I'm still hopeful that it can all still happen though!

That may be what you like about it (and I do too) but like other people have said it is fantasy and will keep delving into that as it is central to the story and whatever the end will be dragons and white walkers will be central to that so you'll just have to accept it. Politics and such will always be there to enjoy but so will the magic aspects because politics, war and magic, are what make game of thrones great.

Sleepy wrote: »

GRRM gave them the details they need to finish the story years ago. There's only going to be one more season (although reports have it that it'll be a 13 episode season), Game of Thrones will wrap up everything years ahead of A Song of Ice and Fire.

They got a eighth season recently but I'm not sure what will happen after that. Its probably just so long they need more episodes. Hopefully that means they won't rush the ending.

25-05-2016 02:20PM

nicki11 wrote: »

They got a eighth season recently but I'm not sure what will happen after that. Its probably just so long they need more episodes. Hopefully that means they won't rush the ending.

Apparently the current plan is for 13 more episodes after the this season, which the poster you were replying to mentioned, but these 13 episodes will be split over two seasons.

“I think we’re down to our final 13 episodes after this season. We’re heading into the final lap,” said Benioff. “That’s the guess, though nothing is yet set in stone, but that’s what we’re looking at.”

As a viewer of the TV show, I can definitely feel it setting the pieces in place for a conclusion. They are well past their midpoint and I reckon by the end of this season we'll have a good idea of who the final players will be. So far this season, they seem to be culling and consolidating story-lines and this is a big part of getting to that conclusion.

As a reader of the books though, I haven't got that feeling yet about a conclusion to the story being in sight. GRRM seems to be still building the universe in each book. Beautiful as that is, it does make me wonder if two more books will actually see him get to a conclusion.

J. Marston · 25-05-2016 02:39PM

18 episodes left, loads of time to settle everything.

Then we can get the Dorne spin-off show that we're all craving.

25-05-2016 02:44PM

J. Marston wrote: »

18 episodes left, loads of time to settle everything.

Then we can get the Dorne spin-off show that we're all craving.

Thought Xena: Warrior Princess was that show!

It says a lot about the shíteness of Dorne when a marker of a good episode now for me is one which doesn't feature Dorne.

That said though, when we last saw them they had a plan and some unfinished business. We're due a visit soon I fear

J. Marston · 25-05-2016 02:57PM

stankratz wrote: »

Thought Xena: Warrior Princess was that show!

It says a lot about the shíteness of Dorne when a marker of a good episode now for me is one which doesn't feature Dorne.

That said though, when we last saw them they had a plan and some unfinished business. We're due a visit soon I fear

I hope they come to Kings Landing...

One each for Ellaria, Tyene, Obara and Nymeria.

Gregor Clegane, the hero we never knew we needed.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 25-05-2016 03:28PM

One of the big central tensions in the show is that a lot of the characters really don't care about the fantasy stuff either. Winter is coming, the White Walkers are coming, the Dragons are coming, and almost all the big houses are just getting bogged down in internal conflict and in conflict with each other, which in light of everything else going on is petty and stupid (even though it's very compelling as a viewer). Everyone bar Stannis ignored requests for help from The Wall, the Lannisters are too busy fighting each other and the Tyrells to worry about Daenerys, Littlefinger and the Boltons are just concerned in grubbing and scheming for a bit of power and gold, and now all those chickens are coming home to roost.

I do agree that the show carefully managed how much fantasy stuff to include in the early seasons, but it's a big element of it now and it's the background against which all the smaller human drama is playing out. It's an important part of its analysis of human nature like, everyone's sweating the small stuff

intheclouds · 25-05-2016 03:32PM

Kaya Worried Sheet wrote: »

One of the big central tensions in the show is that a lot of the characters really don't care about the fantasy stuff either.

Yes, I have to say I was surprised by Jon Snow in this. Even Edd said it to him - he was AT Hardhome. He SAW the army of the dead with his own eyes. Is he just trusting the wall to hold them back?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 25-05-2016 06:03PM

intheclouds wrote: »

Yes, I have to say I was surprised by Jon Snow in this. Even Edd said it to him - he was AT Hardhome. He SAW the army of the dead with his own eyes. Is he just trusting the wall to hold them back?

You know, that's a good point. Jon saw the big picture and look where it got him, murdered; so I can understand why he'd be thinking 'yeah, fcuk this, I'm out' and just worrying about himself and his family. But Winterfell is miiighty close to the wall. Any plan that doesn't involve either trying to stop the WW or running very far away very fast doesn't make any sense

Vojera · 25-05-2016 06:20PM

Kaya Worried Sheet wrote: »

You know, that's a good point. Jon saw the big picture and look where it got him, murdered; so I can understand why he'd be thinking 'yeah, fcuk this, I'm out' and just worrying about himself and his family. But Winterfell is miiighty close to the wall. Any plan that doesn't involve either trying to stop the WW or running very far away very fast doesn't make any sense

Definitely. After all, Osha was pretty determined to get "as far south as south goes." If Jon isn't planning to do something about the White Walkers then surely he should be telling Sansa that it doesn't matter who holds Winterfell because they'll be dead soon anyway.

AlmightyCushion · 25-05-2016 06:30PM

I guess his plan is retake Winterfell and the north, then use that combined army to fight the white walkers.

shane9689 · 25-05-2016 07:16PM

they need to start moving those dragons north soon...

expectationlost · 25-05-2016 07:31PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Seems George R. R. Martin almost let slip Hodor's name origin a few years back...

https://ventrellaquest.com/tag/what-hodor-really-means/

not in the books?

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 07:50PM

expectationlost wrote: »

not in the books?

There's not really much related in it, it is more to do with an old job GRRM had. I've included the snippet below, absolutely zero book spoilers/info!

The final time we ended up together, the conversation went like this:

Me: I finally figured out why you have a character named “Hodor.”

Martin: Oh?

Me: I was thinking about your comment about wanting to be an elevator operator. It’s clear to me now that “Hodor” is short for “Hold the door.”

Martin: (laughing) You don’t know how close to the truth you are!

expectationlost · 25-05-2016 07:55PM

Billy86 wrote: »

There's not really much related in it, it is more to do with an old job GRRM had. I've included the snippet below, absolutely zero book spoilers/info!

that hold the door thing isn't in the books?

DeadHand · 25-05-2016 07:55PM

Vojera wrote: »

If Jon isn't planning to do something about the White Walkers then surely he should be telling Sansa that it doesn't matter who holds Winterfell because they'll be dead soon anyway.

I'm not sure Jon has a plan beyond the immediate: help Sansa and save Rickon.

The thing about Jon is that he is genuinely fearless, charismatic and a natural leader of men... But he is a little dim. Whilst far from stupid, he is not a long term planner/genius game player like Tywin , Littlefinger or Tyrion.

He did show cunning in fooling the Wildlings for so long but that was more a victory of charisma than intelligence- Mance and Tormund liked him, Ygrette loved him. It wasn't his plan in the first place, it was Qhorin Halfhand's.

The one significant independent idea that Jon had, rescuing and allying with the Wildlings, literally got him killed. While it was the right thing to do and, in the end, worked out well- plans that get you killed aren't generally smart ones.

He was also green in misunderstanding entirely the natures of both Ser Alliser and Mance.

He was gone: no plan, no appetite for the fight- understandably so. Only Sansa put him back on track. Still, he would not have stayed had he not understood Sansa was going to attempt to regain Winterfell with or without him.

He has no master plan to unite Westeros and save humanity- he's not the type. He just loves his sister and brother.

tharmor · 25-05-2016 07:58PM

Why everyone thinks Hodor is dead ? They did not show him dying !!

Billy86 · 25-05-2016 08:04PM

expectationlost wrote: »

that hold the door thing isn't in the books?

OH! Now I got you. I read the first 3 or so but my room mate has read the lot. Wasn't in the books yet but was/is probably going to be in the upcoming one, probably was something very closely worked on with GRRM (despite the other divergences, certain things like that and say L+R=J if that one is true, are almost certainly worked with in very close tandem) for the series.

I'm kind of happy the show beat the books to it though, it was an incredibly done scene and the type that serves better on screen than in print. Genuinely incredible stuff.

LionelNashe · 25-05-2016 08:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

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People I know hold strong to the belief that the only way we know for certain whether something is actually dead is if we see it happen on screen. We didn't see the Hound die. Arya left him. It could be very possible that he comes back?

If he does, I think the most likely way it could have happened is that Brienne & Pod found him and helped him. He said something to Arya like "I'm dead unless there's a Maester hiding behind that rock." This implies that he could live if he gets medical help. Brienne told Sansa that she spent three days looking for Arya. While searching the hillside, they definitely would have gone to the spot where the Hound was lying.

expectationlost · 25-05-2016 08:41PM

arya can't just be an assassin for hire?

Jayop · 25-05-2016 09:11PM

expectationlost wrote: »

arya can't just be an assassin for hire?

Of course she's not going to stick with that crew. Something will happen that will force her to make a decision and she'll end up back with John and Sansa.

eeguy · 25-05-2016 09:18PM

Jayop wrote: »

Of course she's not going to stick with that crew. Something will happen that will force her to make a decision and she'll end up back with John and Sansa.

I'm thinking if Dany ever gets her act together Arya will be on her boat to Westeros.

Loafing Oaf · 25-05-2016 11:03PM

Jayop wrote: »

Of course she's not going to stick with that crew.

Aw shame, I'm dying to see more of her stick-fighting scenes...

DeadHand · 25-05-2016 11:04PM

Jayop wrote: »

Of course she's not going to stick with that crew. Something will happen that will force her to make a decision and she'll end up back with John and Sansa.

Hmm... How do the Faceless Men deal with defectors though?

Not gently, I imagine.

expectationlost · 25-05-2016 11:31PM

any chance somebody will bring in anarchical syndicalism self rule?

Mackman · 26-05-2016 12:53AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Aw shame, I'm dying to see more of her stick-fighting scenes...

Ugh, "a girl is not ready", well how about you teach her a few moves rather than beating the crap out of her repeatedly?? :rolleyes:

26-05-2016 08:00AM

Poor Kristian Nairn is going to be plagued by people asking him to hold the door for a very long time.

screamer · 26-05-2016 09:47AM

I wonder are the walkers immune to warging? It was strange that the 3 eyed raven with all his powers did not try to control the nights king and take his attacking army away from the cave. I don't think this warging stuff is all it's cracked up to be TBH.

ohnonotgmail · 26-05-2016 09:50AM

screamer wrote: »

I wonder are the walkers immune to warging? It was strange that the 3 eyed raven with all his powers did not try to control the nights king and take his attacking army away from the cave. I don't think this warging stuff is all it's cracked up to be TBH.

Have they shown the abilility to warg into a human that wasnt mentally weak? I know Bran warged into Lewis but Lewis didnt look like the brightest of sparks.

Mickeroo · 26-05-2016 10:25AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Hmm... How do the Faceless Men deal with defectors though?

Not gently, I imagine.

No-one defects from the Faceless Men.

I'll get my coat....

Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Non book readers"

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