Missing man at the Cliffs of Moher.

swimming in a sea · 20-05-2016 04:01PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

MOD
Stop speculating. There is nothing about this missing persons case being a suicide.
Suicide is an important topic but linking it to this missing persons case is not the place.

I don't want to see any more PM requests for speculation either.

I don't like this post.

clairewithani · 20-05-2016 04:07PM

This thread has gone really weird.

FalconGirl · 20-05-2016 04:11PM

clairewithani wrote: »

This thread has gone really weird.

Its gone quite morbid. Suicide is undoubtably a topic that needs to be discussed but I'm not sure many are mature enough. I've lost a father and an uncle to it and known many more so am quite aware with the huge devastation left behind.

Those PM with a name posts are ****ing disgusting to be honest. Give the deceased and his family some dignity.

s4uv3 · 20-05-2016 04:23PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

You know those Facebook posts of missing people and subsequent updates that their bodies have been found?

Well if he sees that nobody has mentioned the suicide word he'll post a comment like

"RIP to John. I hope they get the person who did this."

thereby implying that there are suspicious circumstances when there are in fact, none.

The end result is that somebody will eventually blurt out that John committed suicide so that people will stop speculating.

Not the ideal way to promote awareness of mental health issues and suicide but it works.

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

"Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms"
What a dickish remark. Anybody who has just lost a loved one to suicide has enough to deal with without having to pander to self righteous idiots. Your friend is an ignorant tool.

Let the mourners mourn how they see fit ffs.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 20-05-2016 04:28PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

Its gone quite morbid. Suicide is undoubtably a topic that needs to be discussed but I'm not sure many are mature enough. I've lost a father and an uncle to it and known many more so am quite aware with the huge devastation left behind.

Those PM with a name posts are ****ing disgusting to be honest. Give the deceased and his family some dignity.

I'm sorry for your loss.

And I agree. There's a difference between resisting the stigma of suicide and rubbernecking on a family's tragedy. People either don't want to hear a word about the pain people are left in or are rubbing their hands over every gory detail and gossipy speculation. It's important to talk about mental health and lower the stigma around seeking help (and again, especially for men, we are failing our young men horribly in Ireland), but I very much understand why a family would want privacy.

elastico · 20-05-2016 04:41PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

There is nothing about this missing persons case being a suicide.

When somebody drives on their own from Dublin to the cliffs of moher, abandons their car and then goes "missing" there can only be one reason.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I don't want to see any more PM requests for speculation either.

Why, its none of your business what people exchange via PRIVATE message.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Stop speculating.

Get down off your high horse and sit in the bold corner.

Mod: Banned

daRobot · 20-05-2016 04:45PM

3.....2.....1....

LorMal · 20-05-2016 04:54PM

elastico wrote: »

When somebody drives on their own from Dublin to the cliffs of moher, abandons their car and then goes "missing" there can only be one reason.
Why, its none of your business what people exchange via PRIVATE message.
Get down off your high horse and sit in the bold corner.

Maybe Boards needs to implement a minimum age/IQ policy

Avatar MIA · 20-05-2016 05:02PM

LorMal wrote: »

Maybe Boards needs to implement a minimum age/IQ policy

*Tumble weeds*

Skylinehead · 20-05-2016 05:06PM

daRobot wrote: »

3.....2.....1....

Lift off?

20-05-2016 05:12PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

You know those Facebook posts of missing people and subsequent updates that their bodies have been found?

Well if he sees that nobody has mentioned the suicide word he'll post a comment like

"RIP to John. I hope they get the person who did this."

thereby implying that there are suspicious circumstances when there are in fact, none.

The end result is that somebody will eventually blurt out that John committed suicide so that people will stop speculating.

Not the ideal way to promote awareness of mental health issues and suicide but it works.

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

Well.

John is a c*nt.

Augme · 20-05-2016 05:20PM

This thread really doesn't do much for your faith in other people.

Augme · 20-05-2016 05:27PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

How would this work just out of interest?
Would the person still have to report it to the Gardai? Or could they say they didn't want to report it.
If they had to report to to the Gardai could they stop the Gardai from releasing the name?
I just think it would be very helpful for somebody who might want to cover something up.

Not sure what you mean when you ask how would it work. Gardai ask family if they want the media notified, they say no. Not much else to it. The circumstances/situation of how the person went missing would obviously dictate how it's treated as well. Don't really see how it would be helpful for a cover up.

Samaris · 20-05-2016 06:14PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Different people react in different ways.

A friend of mine feels the same way about the suicide cover-ups.

etcetera since it's been quoted about six times so far.

But yeah, what a disgusting person he sounds. Does he even know these people or does he just do this to random strangers?

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Shame on the people who hide behind euphemisms and won't face up to the elephant in the room.

Shame on the nosey pr*cks who think they DESERVE to know anything they want about other people, regardless of how much they add to the pain of families and friends. There's a difference between raising awareness of a terrible thing and demanding that someone else's tragedy be used to make your own point.

unseenfootage · 20-05-2016 06:21PM

Samaris wrote: »

Shame on the nosey pr*cks who think they DESERVE to know anything they want about other people, regardless of how much they add to the pain of families and friends. There's a difference between raising awareness of a terrible thing and demanding that someone else's tragedy be used to make your own point.

I don't agree with what that guy did but do you not agree that cause of death belongs in the public domain.

Barry Badrinath · 20-05-2016 06:23PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I don't agree with what that guy did but do you not agree that cause of death belongs in the public domain.

If it's to aid in public safety, yes.

If not, then no.

s4uv3 · 20-05-2016 06:31PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I don't agree with what that guy did but do you not agree that cause of death belongs in the public domain.

Why does it? Is the man now public property because he presumably committed suicide?

Awareness of suicide and highlighting a massive problem with society has fcuk all to do with this case. Let a family grieve in peace, then they'll decide what is to be put into the "public domain"

unseenfootage · 20-05-2016 06:33PM

McGruber wrote: »

If it's to aid in public safety, yes.

If not, then no.

What about if a dead person is found hanging in the woods?

Two possibilities - suicide and homicide?

If you rule out homicide then the only possible cause that remains is suicide.

The public have a right to know what the cause of death is, no?

Samaris · 20-05-2016 06:34PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I don't agree with what that guy did but do you not agree that cause of death belongs in the public domain.

No. Why should it be? Do you want to know ALL the details? How many pills, or if he hanged himself?

It's bloody voyeurism. And suicide prevention can be worked on without exposing already-grieving and shocked families to media glare.

oppenheimer1 · 20-05-2016 06:38PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

What about if a dead person is found hanging in the woods?

Two possibilities - suicide and homicide?

If you rule out homicide then the only possible cause that remains is suicide.

The public have a right to know what the cause of death is, no?

They do. In the coroner's court.

drunkmonkey · 20-05-2016 06:41PM

s4uv3 wrote: »

Why does it? Is the man now public property because he presumably committed suicide?

If your a celebrity/public figure well then it does as your public property.
I don't see it as a bad thing anyway, the less it's hidden under the carpet the best for awareness.

s4uv3 · 20-05-2016 06:45PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If your a celebrity/public figure well then it does as your public property.

Ummmm, ok then. I missed that memo!

Barry Badrinath · 20-05-2016 06:46PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

What about if a dead person is found hanging in the woods?

Two possibilities - suicide and homicide?

If you rule out homicide then the only possible cause that remains is suicide.

The public have a right to know what the cause of death is, no?

Have you got your fingers set to gibberish all the time?

If a person is found hanging in the woods and it was proven to be a murder, then yes, as it potentially affects the public.

If it was a suicide, then no, I don't think the public have a right to know.

smash · 20-05-2016 06:50PM

Depending on who it is, the circumstances behind the case could cause a lot of controversy. Especially if it's one of the people mentioned previously. It could end up being a very tough time for the family.

unseenfootage · 20-05-2016 06:56PM

McGruber wrote: »

Have you got your fingers set to gibberish all the time?

If a person is found hanging in the woods and it was proven to be a murder, then yes, as it potentially affects the public.

If it was a suicide, then no, I don't think the public have a right to know.

So in your opinion the coroner's courts should be top secret and the media should be barred?

Barry Badrinath · 20-05-2016 06:58PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

So in your opinion the coroner's courts should be top secret and the media should be barred?

Yes, thats exactly what im saying. Ugh

freshpopcorn · 20-05-2016 07:19PM

Augme wrote: »

freshpopcorn wrote: »

How would this work just out of interest?
Would the person still have to report it to the Gardai? Or could they say they didn't want to report it.
If they had to report to to the Gardai could they stop the Gardai from releasing the name?
I just think it would be very helpful for somebody who might want to cover something up.

Not sure what you mean when you ask how would it work. Gardai ask family if they want the media notified, they say no. Not much else to it. The circumstances/situation of how the person went missing would obviously dictate how it's treated as well. Don't really see how it would be helpful for a cover up.

Take for instance if a husband kills his wife and disposes of the body. All he has to do is go to the Garai say his wife was off form with the last few weeks and sement depressed and is now missing.
He could say he doesn't want it made public. In this time people could forget vital information of what they saw/heard. Which could be vital information.

Stephen Hero · 20-05-2016 07:22PM

McGruber wrote: »

Have you got your fingers set to gibberish all the time?

If a person is found hanging in the woods and it was proven to be a murder, then yes, as it potentially affects the public.

If it was a suicide, then no, I don't think the public have a right to know.

I think the public do have a right to know.

Not necessarily the details of the suicide. A simple confirmation that the person took their own life would suffice. Otherwise they are quite entitled to speculate.

languagenerd · 20-05-2016 07:39PM

Stephen Hero wrote: »

Thanks

My problem is with hypocrisy

People saying that we have a suicide problem

while simultaneously supporting euphemistic and sanitised reporting of suicides or cover-ups.

I don't know for certain about here, but in the UK most media outlets won't report on suicides for fear of encouraging copycats. Or if they do report it, they won't publish specific details on how the person died - it's a clause in the IPSO Editors Code of Practice there. It's not covering up suicide as much as trying not to normalise or sensationalise it.

I assume it's partly for the same reasons as in Ireland. Partly for that, and partly for the family's sake.

unseenfootage · 20-05-2016 07:41PM

McGruber wrote: »

Have you got your fingers set to gibberish all the time?

If a person is found hanging in the woods and it was proven to be a murder, then yes, as it potentially affects the public.

If it was a suicide, then no, I don't think the public have a right to know.

It doesn't make sense.

You suggest that public money be spent on coroners to determine cause of death. If it was homicide then explicitly say so. If suicide then don't tell the public.

As if there are more than two options.

If the guy that was found hanging in the woods wasn't killed by someone then the only viable explanation is that it was a suicide.

Missing man at the Cliffs of Moher.

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