National Hurling League 2016

PressRun · 08-05-2016 4:10pm

Very enjoyable game of hurling. The ref was clearly playing for a draw though, the equalising free was nonsense, so you'd have to feel for Waterford on that front.

niallo27 · 08-05-2016 4:10pm

carq wrote: »

Daylight robbery.

The referee was a disgrace

Really poor on both sides i thought, never let the game flow.

Dick phelan · 08-05-2016 4:12pm

Ref a complete joke, we were robbed, Never a free near the end and he was giving them soft ones all day long.

awaywithyou · 08-05-2016 4:13pm

Great result. Clare are a joy to watch... Hope that Waterford team never win anything... There is a nasty undercurrent to that team

LuckyGent88 · 08-05-2016 4:16pm

blackwhite wrote: »

He's spitting blood after that high tackle.

Some "diving" alright :rolleyes:

Even as a Clare man, Davy fitz's behaviour on that incident was a disgrace. Saying nothing was wrong with him and telling him to get up.

carq · 08-05-2016 4:17pm

awaywithyou wrote: »

Great result. Clare are a joy to watch... Hope that Waterford team never win anything... There is a nasty undercurrent to that team

Care to elaborate?

deise_boi · 08-05-2016 4:21pm

carq wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Don't feed the trolls!

Poor ref start to finish today, made it very stop/start. Joke of a decision at the end obviously but to be 6 up at three separate stages and lose its not all on him.

LuckyGent88 · 08-05-2016 4:22pm

Dick phelan wrote: »

Ref a complete joke, we were robbed, Never a free near the end and he was giving them soft ones all day long.

Thought he was pretty poor for both sides to be honest. The free to equalise was soft alright but Waterford got 3 awful soft frees in the first half and then how he gave a free against Cunningham when he gets hit in the helmet is beyond me.

deise_boi · 08-05-2016 4:24pm

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Thought he was pretty poor for both sides to be honest. The free to equalise was soft alright but Waterford got 3 awful soft frees in the first half and then how he gave a free against Cunningham when he gets hit in the helmet is beyond me.

Agreed especially on the last point. The umpires missed it and all

mountgomery burns · 08-05-2016 4:28pm

How did Jamie Barron not get a free at the death, never mind even the other free.

Bonniedog · 08-05-2016 4:31pm

Not the first time the same man has affected the outcome of a big game.

I shall say no more!

awaywithyou · 08-05-2016 4:32pm

carq wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

No 24 hit on Clare 7.. More interested in that than playing hurling.... Constant mouthing by no 6 to ref.... Noel Connors hit on Cunningham.... Think Waterford got 4 yellows Clare 1..... I just get a cocky nasty vibe from Waterford...

If you go back to last summer Maurice Shanahan strolling out from full forward to give Liam rushe (I think) lip and laugh in his face....... I coul go on... Actually one more.... Gleason (I think) against cork in league... Diarmuid Sullivan came onto pitch in a rage......

Very unfortunate but nastiness is there....

JJs Left Hand · 08-05-2016 4:44pm

Hold on do people think Noel Connors attempt to flick the ball away from Cunningham was a foul? Never a foul in a month of Sundays. Cunningham brings the ball up and Connors tries flick the ball away. Waterford got a free out because they had possession so they get an indirect free. If you're going to give out at least know the rules lads.

Farcical stuff at the end with Barron not getting a free and Kelly diving to get the free.

He's some hurler though. Unreal stuff out of him throughout the game. Love watching him.

niallo27 · 08-05-2016 4:47pm

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Hold on do people think Noel Connors attempt to flick the ball away from Cunningham was a foul? Never a foul in a month of Sundays. Cunningham brings the ball up and Connors tries flick the ball away. Waterford got a free out because they had possession so they get an indirect free. If you're going to give out at least know the rules lads.

Farcical stuff at the end with Barron not getting a free and Kelly diving to get the free.

He's some hurler though. Unreal stuff out of him throughout the game. Love watching him.

Hang on you think a hurley to the head is not a free.

irelandrover · 08-05-2016 4:49pm

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Hold on do people think Noel Connors attempt to flick the ball away from Cunningham was a foul? Never a foul in a month of Sundays. Cunningham brings the ball up and Connors tries flick the ball away. Waterford got a free out because they had possession so they get an indirect free. If you're going to give out at least know the rules lads.

Farcical stuff at the end with Barron not getting a free and Kelly diving to get the free.

He's some hurler though. Unreal stuff out of him throughout the game. Love watching him.

The ball was in Cunningham's hand. How did Waterford have possession?

JJs Left Hand · 08-05-2016 4:51pm

Genuine attempt to play the ball and barely hit him. If he'd given the free to Clare I wouldn't have been surprised and wouldn't think anything of it but doesn't bother me he didn't give it either.

JJs Left Hand · 08-05-2016 4:53pm

irelandrover wrote: »

The ball was in Cunningham's hand. How did Waterford have possession?

No it wasn't. The ball went loose when Cunningham went down, Waterford defender picked it and moved away and then the ref blew it up. Therefore Waterford had possession when the ref stopped the game.

mountgomery burns · 08-05-2016 4:53pm

irelandrover wrote: »

The ball was in Cunningham's hand. How did Waterford have possession?

He wasn't giving a free, Waterford were on the ball and Cunningham was down so he blew to stop play with Waterford in possession.

Not saying whether it was or wasn't a free as I was at the opposite side of the pitch. If he caught him in the face, even accidentally then it should be a free.

Bonniedog · 08-05-2016 5:01pm

awaywithyou wrote: »

If you go back to last summer Maurice Shanahan strolling out from full forward to give Liam rushe (I think) lip and laugh in his face....... ....

Won't be laughing at him next time

citykat · 08-05-2016 7:32pm

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Genuine attempt to play the ball and barely hit him. If he'd given the free to Clare I wouldn't have been surprised and wouldn't think anything of it but doesn't bother me he didn't give it either.

That's the way I saw it. Accidental contact from Connors. Thought Cunningham made a meal of it. In fairness to Connors that wouldn't be his style from what I have seen of him.

mountgomery burns · 08-05-2016 7:41pm

Having seen it again he was entitled to a free. But not in anyway a red card, though I don't think anyone is really arguing that.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 08-05-2016 7:57pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Having seen it again he was entitled to a free. But not in anyway a red card, though I don't think anyone is really arguing that.

Yeah, I agree. I think Kelly's last week was worse, at least there was some possibility of Connors getting the ball

Warper · 08-05-2016 8:09pm

First of what a game of hurling, the skill levels were top-notch by both sides. All the negative comments after last weeks match and tactics have to be revised now after watching that game. Tony Kelly has to be the most naturally gifted hurler in the country right now - he looks so elegant firing over a point from the sidelines. Brilliant game i thought and well done to both teams. Up da banner

PTH2009 · 08-05-2016 8:13pm

Galway to win in 2017

The last 2 teams relegated too 1b have gone on to win it the last 2 years.

Congrats Clare

It's going to take a lot to get our lads heads right again after losing in the injury time today.

Championship is another step up and I can't wait for June 5th. Think Clare will go on to win the Munster and all Ireland dis year

Vanolder · 09-05-2016 11:15am

It was great seeing Waterford and their negative system being beat yesterday. Hopefully more of the same during the summer... The only reason yesterdays game was open is because Clare stretched Waterford back with their FF line and it opened up space in the middle...

mountgomery burns · 09-05-2016 11:39am

Vanolder wrote: »

It was great seeing Waterford and their negative system being beat yesterday. Hopefully more of the same during the summer... The only reason yesterdays game was open is because Clare stretched Waterford back with their FF line and it opened up space in the middle...

So the only reason the game was open was due to Clare, and the fact waterford scored 2-12 from play is down to Clare as well I suppose?

Bonniedog · 09-05-2016 12:23pm

Vanolder wrote: »

It was great seeing Waterford and their negative system being beat yesterday. Hopefully more of the same during the summer... The only reason yesterdays game was open is because Clare stretched Waterford back with their FF line and it opened up space in the middle...

I was glad Clare won, for other reasons, but Waterford are entitled to set up as they do, and the two games were brilliant to watch, despite the negative punditry.

It is a bit like the way people used to slag Tyrone and Donegal over being "negative" and them beating ourselves out of the pitch scoring 3 - 17 or 2 - 18!

People see what they want to see I suppose.

PressRun · 09-05-2016 1:25pm

Yeah, I've no idea how the way Waterford played yesterday could be perceived as "negative". It was a very enjoyable, open game of hurling with all the skills on show, and that was down to both teams, not just Clare. Likewise, the first game was rubbish (for the first hour or so anyway) and there were two teams in that too.

Certain narratives get peddled in the media about certain teams and buzzwords get thrown about that just end up sticking.

Realt Dearg Sec · 09-05-2016 3:21pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

I was glad Clare won, for other reasons, but Waterford are entitled to set up as they do, and the two games were brilliant to watch, despite the negative punditry.

It is a bit like the way people used to slag Tyrone and Donegal over being "negative" and them beating ourselves out of the pitch scoring 3 - 17 or 2 - 18!

People see what they want to see I suppose.

I agree Waterford can play as they see fit, but you couldn't be serious in claiming the first league final was brilliant to watch? It was desperate stuff. You can call that a media narrative if you like, but it didn't make it untrue.

Bonniedog · 09-05-2016 3:34pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I agree Waterford can play as they see fit, but you couldn't be serious in claiming the first league final was brilliant to watch? It was desperate stuff. You can call that a media narrative if you like, but it didn't make it untrue.

Yesterday was much better game, but first game was interesting in its own way. Its just tactics. skills are all there.

People were saying same about yourselves and Cork back in the early noughties!

Realt Dearg Sec · 09-05-2016 4:06pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Yesterday was much better game, but first game was interesting in its own way. Its just tactics. skills are all there.

People were saying same about yourselves and Cork back in the early noughties!

Doesn't make them wrong. I'm not on the "this is killing hurling" bandwagon just because the game was bad, but the game really was bad. Interesting in its own way is like telling a girl she has a nice personality.

Bonniedog · 09-05-2016 4:08pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

. Interesting in its own way is like telling a girl she has a nice personality.

You must spend a bit of time in the Lower Deck so with the Tipp ones

blackcard · 09-05-2016 7:24pm

I think it would have been fun if the boot was on the other foot, Clare had been a point ahead and were denied a blatant free and then Waterford got a soft free and went on to win the match. Imagine how Davy would have reacted, the air would have turned blue. In fairness to Derek McGrath, he reacted with dignity. As a neutral, I am really looking forward to the Championship meeting between these sides. Hurling needs more teams stepping up to the plate

kiddap · 09-05-2016 10:31pm

Couldn't have worked out better for Clare, scraped it a bit luckily after a cracking game but most people are convinced by the media stuff about the styles of play and the first game. Genius. Clare now have the upper hand in the noggin over Waterford and it will probably be a dirty scrap of a game.

They will advance on a Munster final with more bad press and doubts and yet exactly where they want to be, consistent performance, getting the job done, and a serious trophy under the belt. If they can take Munster they will have had a great year no matter what and be almost fully on the way to rehab after the worst post-All-I-winning two years I've ever seen. That would be some feat.

But if they win Munster they won't win the All-I this year, I can't see them winning it anyway, next year more likely.

mountgomery burns · 10-05-2016 11:57am

You're only fooling yourself if you think Clare are under the radar. They've been tipped for the all Ireland since Donal Og joined the backroom team in some quarters.

There's been a serious hype train with them the last three years to be hones, understandably since they won the all ireland in 2013. And also again to be fair they are justifying the hype at the moment.

robbiezero · 10-05-2016 12:16pm

kiddap wrote: »

Couldn't have worked out better for Clare, scraped it a bit luckily after a cracking game but most people are convinced by the media stuff about the styles of play and the first game. Genius. Clare now have the upper hand in the noggin over Waterford and it will probably be a dirty scrap of a game.

They will advance on a Munster final with more bad press and doubts and yet exactly where they want to be, consistent performance, getting the job done, and a serious trophy under the belt. If they can take Munster they will have had a great year no matter what and be almost fully on the way to rehab after the worst post-All-I-winning two years I've ever seen. That would be some feat.

But if they win Munster they won't win the All-I this year, I can't see them winning it anyway, next year more likely.

Why have Clare the upper hand in the noggin over Waterford? Neither team will have any psychological advantage out of the league final saga.

kiddap · 11-05-2016 9:47am

robbiezero wrote: »

Why have Clare the upper hand in the noggin over Waterford? Neither team will have any psychological advantage out of the league final saga.

Simply by having stolen such a tight game. It's not a defining issue yet but it could contribute to becoming one. Clare have an All-I and now a Nat League under their belt. They beat Waterford in the NLF. Ergo the Deise need to get one over them in June or they will really feel under the thumb. That's in their noggin.

They also don't seem to quite have the talent Clare have so they need a bit extra to beat them when it really matters. Waterford have been operating to their max, I would argue, for the past 2 years, maybe more. Clare have been dormant or in disarray to some extent the last 2 years. Clare are on the way back up, and if Waterford don't beat them in June they will be left behind. That's also in their noggin.

kiddap · 11-05-2016 9:49am

robbiezero wrote: »

Why have Clare the upper hand in the noggin over Waterford? Neither team will have any psychological advantage out of the league final saga.

Simply by having stolen such a tight game. It's not a defining issue yet but it could contribute to becoming one. Clare have an All-I and now a Nat League under their belt. They beat Waterford in the NLF. Ergo the Deise need to get one over them in June or they will really feel under the thumb. That's in their noggin.

They also don't seem to quite have the talent Clare have so they need a bit extra to beat them when it really matters. Waterford have been operating to their max, I would argue, for the past 2 years, maybe more. Clare have been dormant or in disarray to some extent the last 2 years. Clare are on the way back up, and if Waterford don't beat them in June they will be left behind. That's also in their noggin.

But maybe they will win in June. I don't think they will.

kiddap · 11-05-2016 9:58am

mountgomery burns wrote: »

You're only fooling yourself if you think Clare are under the radar. They've been tipped for the all Ireland since Donal Og joined the backroom team in some quarters.

There's been a serious hype train with them the last three years to be hones, understandably since they won the all ireland in 2013. And also again to be fair they are justifying the hype at the moment.

It's all relative. They are more under the radar than they could easily have been. As you rightly point out they haven't handled the media well the past couple of years, they allowed it to get completely out of hand after the All-I win. Let's be clear here, full credit but what did they actually do? They won 3 games after another mediocre Munster Champ performance, and nothing special in the league.

Limerick didn't show up or live up to their own hype (celebrated Munster win too much?) in the semi-final. Cork were relatively limited by the standards of the leading teams of the era, it was a freak year. So Clare still had a huge amount to prove in order to build on 2013. They spectacularly didn't. And the hype was ridiculous. Team of the Year? In the same year that Dublin footballers won everything and played the best football of any team in ages? Not Clare's fault but they lapped it up. Very young talented team, very unexpected Snr All-I, and Davy. Say no more.

After two years of self-destruction they bring in DOC. A recipe for only greater madness you would think, I said it myself. But actually what has happened? They have won the league in dramatic fashion, yet if anything their hype has decreased below anything since 2013. Somebody there is very cleverly pulling the right strings, at last. I suspect it's a combination of the two figureheads and the trainer, lessons learned.

So far................

kiddap · 11-05-2016 10:01am

robbiezero wrote: »

Why have Clare the upper hand in the noggin over Waterford? Neither team will have any psychological advantage out of the league final saga.

Simply by having stolen such a tight game. It's not a defining issue yet but it could contribute to becoming one. Clare have an All-I and now a Nat League under their belt. They beat Waterford in the NLF. Ergo the Deise need to get one over them in June or they will really feel under the thumb. That's in their noggin.

They also don't seem to quite have the talent Clare have so they need a bit extra to beat them when it really matters. Waterford have been operating to their max, I would argue, for the past 2 years, maybe more. Clare have been dormant or in disarray to some extent the last 2 years. Clare are on the way back up, and if Waterford don't beat them in June they will be left behind. That's also in their noggin.

But maybe they will win in June. I don't think they will, not as long as Clare keep doing the right things.

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