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Saorview Connect

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  • #422
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,296 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    From a commercial point of view there is no reason whatsoever for RTE to wait to introduce IPTV. The majority of the population would have no problem receiving such streams.

    Saorview Connect will be RTÉ's IPTV solution and I guess RTÉ's existing channels will be there from the start, the Oireachtas streams are another possibility according to a Dept of Comms FOI document.

    I think what Noel Curran saying is that RTÉ will not at this time be launching any IPTV specific channels like what BBC has done with BBC3. These extra channels are part of their 5 year strategy document.


  • #423
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    There is a reason why they shouldn't send non technical journalists to these "Institute for Future Media and Journalism" events.

    The journalist who wrote this piece is clearly confused about what was said and the context of the debate.

    Any IPTV service will compliment the terrestrial version, not replace it (in the next 5 years at least). The current Irish legislation clearly states that the channels must be free to air to a high percentage of the population. Even withstanding the fact that the infrastructure is not there, having to commit to a contract with a third party ISP would clearly violate this requirement.

    Also pointing to what the BBC have done with BBC3 is a misnomer. It is not the main BBC channel.

    RTE already provides a limited IPTV service on its main website through the live player.

    Finally, as regards the requirements for different licences, the Minister for Communications can nominate any device to be licencable at any stage.


  • #424
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    The Cush wrote: »
    Saorview Connect will be RTÉ's IPTV solution and I guess RTÉ's existing channels will be there from the start, the Oireachtas streams are another possibility according to a Dept of Comms FOI document.

    I think what Noel Curran saying is that RTÉ will not at this time be launching any IPTV specific channels like what BBC has done with BBC3. These extra channels are part of their 5 year strategy document.
    You might very well think so, but that is not what is quoted in the article.
    Broadband speeds and penetration in Ireland are not yet good enough for RTÉ to deliver services over IPTV (internet protocol television), but the broadcaster has been exploring the possibility of doing so, according to outgoing RTÉ director general Noel Curran.


  • #425
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    (continuation of previous post which would not post)
    That is quite clearly about any IPTV service and not just some 'extra channels'.
    But at a certain point, when broadband penetration across Ireland improves, there will be a “tipping point” in RTÉ’s approach to digital television, he predicted.
    It does, I agree, fly in the face of what little we know about Saorview Connect.


  • #426
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Huh?

    Other companies seem to think the broadband in Ireland is good enough.
    They have apparently been very successful.

    Who, exactly?


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  • #427
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    former total wrote: »
    Who, exactly?

    Who exactly what?


  • #428
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Who exactly what?

    Who has been very successful in launching IPTV services in Ireland?


  • #429
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    former total wrote: »
    Who has been very successful in launching IPTV services in Ireland?

    eir does live TV over broadband and there are other streaming services available over broadband from different companies.

    So the statement
    Broadband speeds and penetration in Ireland are not yet good enough for RTÉ to deliver services over IPTV
    is contradicted by those offering such services.


  • #430
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Johnboy1951 wrote:
    eir does live TV over broadband and there are other streaming services available over broadband from different companies.


    eir is only available in certain parts of the State.
    Many parts of the country do not have adequate broadband


  • #431
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    FRIENDO wrote: »
    eir is only available in certain parts of the State.
    Many parts of the country do not have adequate broadband

    Of that I am well aware.


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  • #432
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    eir does live TV over broadband and there are other streaming services available over broadband from different companies.

    So the statement

    is contradicted by those offering such services.

    But that is totally different to RTE. Eir use TV to sell their broadband and bundles. Why would RTE get involved in this?

    I don't know what people would expect RTE to provide via this IPTV service that is not already freely available.

    It's just a bad article really. But people can never pass up the chance to have a dig at RTE.


  • #433
    dubrov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,716 ✭✭✭dubrov


    former total wrote: »
    But that is totally different to RTE. Eir use TV to sell their broadband and bundles. Why would RTE get involved in this?

    I don't know what people would expect RTE to provide via this IPTV service that is not already freely available.

    It's just a bad article really. But people can never pass up the chance to have a dig at RTE.

    RTE should be looking at the public interest. The current TV setup in Ireland is a shambles with most of the population paying large subscription fees for TV that is mostly free anyway. Millions of Euro are essentially exported from the economy every year.

    I know there are obstacles but RTE have already had a lot of time to produce a decent alternative to pay TV. I think a lot of people would be happier paying their licence fee if they did.


  • #434
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    former total wrote: »
    But that is totally different to RTE. Eir use TV to sell their broadband and bundles. Why would RTE get involved in this?

    I don't know what people would expect RTE to provide via this IPTV service that is not already freely available.

    It's just a bad article really. But people can never pass up the chance to have a dig at RTE.

    I dunno what or who you are getting at with that remark about having 'a dig at RTE' but that does not matter.

    What I pointed out is that the excuse/reason given for RTE not to do it (slow broadband) is obviously not the complete story.
    There is sufficient fast broadband connections in this country to allow other service providers to provide their services.
    Personally I don't care if RTE provide such a service or not as I am quite happy with my own TV reception set up and have no need to change.


  • #435
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    dubrov wrote: »
    RTE should be looking at the public interest. The current TV setup in Ireland is a shambles with most of the population paying large subscription fees for TV that is mostly free anyway. Millions of Euro are essentially exported from the economy every year.

    I know there are obstacles but RTE have already had a lot of time to produce a decent alternative to pay TV. I think a lot of people would be happier paying their licence fee if they did.

    The obstacles facing RTE are the Dept of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources; ComReg, and BAI.

    They do not like RTE very much and try to do them down at every turn. Five years ago, the last act of the dying FF Government' Minister for DCENR signed an SI (that has not been altered since) that basically stopped RTE from deciding its own schedule for RTE 2, cut it advertising on two of its four channels to zero and stopped Saorview acting commercially by preventing it setting its own transmission charges.

    The Oreachtas has signed a contract with Sky, a foreign Satellite operator costing €250,000 per year but will not pay for carriage on the national network, despite having the power to change the charging regime. We still cannot view it FTA, except as a 'test'. Why would the Oreachtas do that?

    Why do they (RTE) not advise the population that overspill Freesat is OK and fully legal, is free, covers the whole island, and is reliable? Could it be the same reason they do not publish their commercial relationship with Sky?

    Many questions - no answers from anyone.


  • #436
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,296 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Broadband speeds and penetration in Ireland are not yet good enough for RTÉ to deliver services over IPTV (internet protocol television), but the broadcaster has been exploring the possibility of doing so, according to outgoing RTÉ director general Noel Curran.

    “We are looking at the IPTV space. Everyone is looking in that direction. But we’re not going to be foolish about it,” Curran told the Institute for Future Media and Journalism at Dublin City University last week. He added that there was no point in rushing in and then saying: “Oh, that didn’t work.”

    But at a certain point, when broadband penetration across Ireland improves, there will be a “tipping point” in RTÉ’s approach to digital television, he predicted.

    Rather than streaming an existing channel online-only to cut costs – as the BBC has done with BBC Three – it would more likely be the case that specialist genres such as the arts could be given an online, IPTV home. The difference between the BBC and RTÉ, he said, was that the BBC earned a billion in income. “They don’t have to commercialise BBC Three.”

    RTÉ has “tried to get our best bang for our buck” in digital, Curran added, noting that a new generation of RTÉ Player will be launched later this year.

    Going back to the article in the Irish Times, I've read through his lecture that day, the quoted comments don't come from the speech but most likely a follow up Q&A or discussion with the journalist.

    I still believe his comments were specifically about RTÉ plans in the 5 year strategy "to launch a number of new low cost IPTV channels, in the areas of: arts and culture, comedy, sport, life and style, young adults, senior school and business." and to be made available to all IPTV providers.

    The exiting mainstream channels are already available via eir-vision and Vodafone's IPTV services (in addition to all other platforms) but due to the low penetration of adequate broadband he doesn't consider it viable at this time to launch these RTÉ IPTV-only genre channels due to low audience reach. Unlike the BBC they must get the best bang for their buck.

    Saorview's Connected and other HbbTV solutions are the beginning of a transition from traditional broadcasting methods to an eventual all IPTV broadcasting environment. Terrestrial broadcasting as we know it is sort of guaranteed up to about 2030 and possibly beyond but in 20-30 years these traditional broadcasting methods could look very spectrum inefficient, in a similar way to the recently closed MMDS service, as against IP delivery of channels/services. WRC-23 could be the starting point for this.


  • #437
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    The Cush wrote: »
    Going back to the article in the Irish Times, I've read through his speech that day, the quoted comments don't come from the speech but most likely a follow up Q&A or discussion with the journalist.

    Thanks for that clarification.
    It seems more like journalistic cherry picking of comments, somewhat out of context, then.


  • #438
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,296 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The Cush wrote: »
    Metaphor, the commercialized and marketed version of Freesat's Freetime HBBtv solution for international users and already licensed to Saorview and Tivùsat in Italy is to debut at the TV Connect show in London (26-28 April).

    This show begins today, I wonder if we'll get an announcement on the Saorview Connected receivers this week.


  • #439
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,296 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    No news yet, just this Q&A with Matthew Huntington, CTO at Freesat

    http://www.iptv-news.com/2016/04/qa-with-freesat/
    1. For our readers who aren’t aware, can you provide an overview of the projects FREESAT are involved with?

    Freesat is currently involved in a number of development projects, including with Irish broadcaster RTÉ. Freesat is supporting the development of its Saorview connected TV service and will deliver an Irish version of the UK Freesat service that has been modified to support DTT in Ireland. For that, we are providing the user interface, backend metadata, a management platform and operations solution and editorial support for a curated recommendations service.

    We also have a roadmap to continuously improve the Freesat service in the UK. Our focus is on how to better integrate on demand content with broadcast linear TV. Once deployed in the UK, that technology would then be made available to our international customers.

    The third major project that we’re working on is the development of a real-time census-based audience measurement process that we’re doing in partnership with TVbeat, which is already generating some exciting results and insight.

    2. What are the things that excite you about the evolving Connected TV market?

    I’m particularly excited to see how measurement and monitoring techniques are developing. If we can better understand what viewers are watching and how they discover content, we can use that insight to enhance and improve our product and content offering.

    3. What do you think the future of Smart TV / OTT Content / video on demand looks like?

    For the foreseeable future, TV will still have broadcast linear TV at its heart. In our view the future of TV is not going to be based in application stores with thousands of apps, but with curated experiences that offer a managed choice to viewers.

    4. What are FREESAT’s goals for 2016?

    Freesat’s goals include plans to launch a new range of set-top boxes into the UK, support the launch of the Soarview Connect service with RTÉ, win a number of new international customers with our Metaphor proposition and continue to improve our UK-based service.

    5. In a world where everyone is moving into everyone else’s space, businesses are having to redefine their offerings to remain competitive in the short and long term. How are FREESAT meeting this challenge?

    We are providing a managed service with a unique quality, we’re using ourselves in the UK market so we know how it works! That makes us stand out from the competition of providers. We’re a lean and nimble business and our solutions match to that and the needs of the wider industry.

    6. How many years have FREESAT been attending TV connect?

    Members of the Freesat team have always attended TV Connect, but this is our first year showcasing our international service and we think it’s a perfect venue to do that.

    7. What are FREESAT presenting at this year’s TV Connect event?

    I will be delivering a presentation called “Real time application monitoring for enhanced consumer insight”.

    At the Freesat stand we will be demonstrating Metaphor, a service based on Freesat’s years of experience of operating a successful hybrid TV service in the UK. The service is available to terrestrial, satellite and cable operators looking to integrate broadband on-demand services into their existing linear broadcast offering. The solution combines user experiences that are colourful, striking, clean and simple to use with a state-of-the-art cloud-based service management platform. The solution can be provided exactly as it is, or it can be tailored to fit specific operator requirements.

    8. Why it’s important that you’re attending this year’s event?

    TV Connect is ideally placed geographically and within the year to reach the key targets we have for developing our international business

    9. What are your forecasts / predictions for the rest of 2016 in the connected TV space?

    While the user behavior will continue to change, demanding more flexibility over where, when and how they watch television, more of the industry will become aware that this rate of change is not a great as some have predicted, and that we need connected TV solutions that are based around broadcast linear TV.

    10. What are you looking forward to seeing at TV Connect at the Excel Centre in London this month (April 26th – 28th)?

    Freesat is aware that it can’t do everything itself to provide world leading solutions and I’m looking forward to meeting potential partners with innovative propositions that I’m completely unaware of.


  • #440
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Freesat is currently involved in a number of development projects, including with Irish broadcaster RTÉ. Freesat is supporting the development of its Saorview connected TV service and will deliver an Irish version of the UK Freesat service that has been modified to support DTT in Ireland. For that, we are providing the user interface, backend metadata, a management platform and operations solution and editorial support for a curated recommendations service.

    That gives me some hope that the Saorview connect device might meet most of our hopes for it.


  • #441
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    This is looking good and well done to RTE/saorview for taking positive steps forward and involving Freesat.


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  • #442
    Hibrasil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Hibrasil


    Live online Stream from https://tvconnectevent.com/ show


  • #443
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,607 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    MOD: Discussion of Red Button services moved here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057592932#


  • #444
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Just wondering about the new future Saorview anywhere stb. It will have on demand and catch-up services, along with terrestrial and satellite epg I would imagine.
    However will it be like an android box, could a user add other apps?


  • #445
    former total
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭former total


    FRIENDO wrote: »
    Just wondering about the new future Saorview anywhere stb. It will have on demand and catch-up services, along with terrestrial and satellite epg I would imagine.
    However will it be like an android box, could a user add other apps?

    Extremely unlikely I would say.


  • #446
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,579 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    4 weeks to the Euros and no release date, no pricing and no final specs, massive opportunity missed.


  • #447
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    former total wrote:
    Extremely unlikely I would say.


    Yes I agree, I was just being hopeful.
    I had looked at the Walker Web site and they are also doing android boxes, was just thinking mabey the new saorview anywhere stb could have also been android.

    If so, I could get rid of the Android box and have one less box under the tv.


  • #448
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,296 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    4 weeks to the Euros and no release date, no pricing and no final specs, massive opportunity missed.

    This tweet went up a few days ago, maybe announcement soon?

    https://twitter.com/SAORVIEW/status/730705454456815617


  • #449
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Just trying to rive up the numbers of those registered. At this moment it is registering for nothing! There is zero content or information available once you register for a Saorview ID.


  • #450
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Yep. Looks like it. They should really have launched it now with a big push for the Euros. Watch the Euros in free in HD with the ability to scroll back 7 day etc.


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  • #451
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,579 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    Yep. Looks like it. They should really have launched it now with a big push for the Euros. Watch the Euros in free in HD with the ability to scroll back 7 day etc.

    Yes having the scroll back for all the games would have been a nice selling point.


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