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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #3482
    HardenendMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    Augme wrote: »
    The problem is that it hasn't really been positive promotion. If they turned around and said it was just a scheme all along I think alot of UFC fans would just be thinking "Why?". This isn't WWE, or at least shouldn't be, were they decide to make-up story-lines for attention. I think fans would be a bit pissed if they said it was a joke.

    Oh I agree that it would be an insult to fans. But they would hardly come out and say "haha we made it all up suckers"! When has any PR stunt been admitted to as such???


  • #3483
    degsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,761 ✭✭✭degsie


    Thought it odd how much of an obesity issue some of the press gang have given the fitness of the fighters.


  • #3484
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    It's not a PR stunt lads. Not a chance.


  • #3485
    Deadst4r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Deadst4r


    markcahill1985 wrote: »
    What's the capacity of MSG? Rogan and Schaub were talking on the podcast yesterday saying they think it's too small a capacity for a Conor fight.

    Nah, they were saying it's too small for GSP Vs. McGregor, which is probably fair.


  • #3486
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Augme


    HardenendMan wrote: »
    Oh I agree that it would be an insult to fans. But they would hardly come out and say "haha we made it all up suckers"! When has any PR stunt been admitted to as such???


    Ah I get you now, definitely make sense to not admit it, though you were suggesting they should admit it. The problem with not admitting it's a stunt is that if Dana backs it down it makes him look very weak. I don't think that's a position he would ever willingly allow himself to get into for a stunt.


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  • #3487
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


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  • #3488
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Me thinks thou doth protest too much.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPINx9pG4fY


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_vceCQuntE


  • #3489
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Nate would be correct to dodge everything except a rematch. If he loses he's probably lost a half mil from his eventual paycheck.

    Respect to nate all the way. Liked him before, love him now.


  • #3490
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    HardenendMan wrote: »
    How so? The aim for Dana White and the UFC is to make the most profit per event. They literally couldn't buy the promotional effect that this fiasco has given.

    Because for all the bandwagoners who'd love it because McGregor is back and who'd leave once he's done, you'd lose a lot of purists due to the WWEification of what is meant to be the Ultimate Fighting Championship, not some 3 ringed circus.


  • #3491
    HardenendMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭HardenendMan


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Because for all the bandwagoners who'd love it because McGregor is back and who'd leave once he's done, you'd lose a lot of purists due to the WWEification of what is meant to be the Ultimate Fighting Championship, not some 3 ringed circus.

    Like I said, it wouldn't be admitted if it was a stunt . The purists will have enough doubt to believe it was a genuine argument that ended with McGregor back on the card.

    Listen I'm not really pushing this conspiracy theory. Just an interesting possibility.

    And don't forget, the UFC is closer to WWE than other major sports. It is a privately run closed shop.


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  • #3492
    messinkiapina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭messinkiapina


    Sergio Georgini wrote: »
    Nate would be correct to dodge everything except a rematch. If he loses he's probably lost a half mil from his eventual paycheck.

    Respect to nate all the way. Liked him before, love him now.

    I hope he does duck every other match offered to him and holds out for McGregor. I still feel that this is all down to Conor not really fancying a rematch with Nate. He's got to be hoping Nate loses to someone else at ufc 200, so he'll no longer have to deal with him himself.


  • #3493
    stephenl15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭stephenl15


    messinkiapina wrote: »
    I hope he does duck every other match offered to him and holds out for McGregor. I still feel that this is all down to Conor not really fancying a rematch with Nate. He's got to be hoping Nate loses to someone else at ufc 200, so he'll no longer have to deal with him himself.

    Ah stop, you couldn't be more wrong:rolleyes: Sure the only reason that rematch was made is because he wanted the fight. The UFC wanted him to fight Aldo or Edgar


  • #3494
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Some after thoughts with Ariel Helwani..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqND-ZomVUk


  • #3495
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,473 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    stephenl15 wrote: »
    Ah stop, you couldn't be more wrong:rolleyes: Sure the only reason that rematch was made is because he wanted the fight. The UFC wanted him to fight Aldo or Edgar

    People want a reason to have a go at Conor. Making out he's afraid of Diaz is an easy way to do that. Diaz is a good fighter, very tough. Deserved to win at 196, but Conor is extremely good too. He didn't blitz his way to the Featherweight title by being good at talking at press conferences.


  • #3496
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    How much money does Nate make in the various scenarios?


  • #3497
    jimmii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    bajer101 wrote: »
    How much money does Nate make in the various scenarios?

    There's only two scenarios.

    1 he doesn't fight McGregor and makes some money.

    2 he does fight McGregor and makes a shed load of money.


  • #3498
    Chrissybhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Chrissybhoy


    HardenendMan wrote: »
    I think that is a bit like comparing Messi to Joe Cannon. Mayweather competes in a sport that is illogically organised and governed. The guy barely fights twice a year. Think about it...two guys a year have a chance to challenge him.

    I mean as a true great in sporting terms I'm not asking what's the tougher sport. I just mean to go unbeaten and make no excuses along the way. Conor has been beaten once in his UFC career and the excuses are flying a true would do his obligations and still find a way to train rest whatever needed and still get the win


  • #3499
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    jimmii wrote: »
    There's only two scenarios.

    1 he doesn't fight McGregor and makes some money.

    2 he does fight McGregor and makes a shed load of money.

    I'd imagine a Lawlor title fight is the only alternative in terms of big ppv. Is that even a possibility? I'd like to see that fight.

    Funny enough when McGregor first got matched with Diaz I actually had a thought that it'd be funny if the scenario went like this; McGregor loses to Diaz, McGregor defends his belt, McGregor then fights RDA or some other 55s and possibly gets holds two belts, the hype train goes back up through the roof, meanwhile Diaz got a shot at Lawlor, and despite not actually wanting that title shot he catches Lawlor on an off day, puts him to sleep, gets the belt...

    THEN UFC reschedule the rematch at 170. Could you imagine the hype surrounding that event if all that other stuff had gone on first? I always thought this rematch was too soon. UFC need to let these side 'stories' progress naturally. I think they were always at risk of killing off their golden goose by rematching so quickly. What if he loses to Diaz so soon? He'd be a laughing stock and wouldn't have near the draw. His fight for UFC should always been either Aldo, Edgar or RDA.


  • #3500
    jimmii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    .ak wrote: »
    I'd imagine a Lawlor title fight is the only alternative in terms of big ppv. Is that even a possibility? I'd like to see that fight.

    Funny enough when McGregor first got matched with Diaz I actually had a thought that it'd be funny if the scenario went like this; McGregor loses to Diaz, McGregor defends his belt, McGregor then fights RDA or some other 55s and possibly gets holds two belts, the hype train goes back up through the roof, meanwhile Diaz got a shot at Lawlor, and despite not actually wanting that title shot he catches Lawlor on an off day, puts him to sleep, gets the belt...

    THEN UFC reschedule the rematch at 170. Could you imagine the hype surrounding that event if all that other stuff had gone on first? I always thought this rematch was too soon. UFC need to let these side 'stories' progress naturally. I think they were always at risk of killing off their golden goose by rematching so quickly. What if he loses to Diaz so soon? He'd be a laughing stock and wouldn't have near the draw. His fight for UFC should always been either Aldo, Edgar or RDA.

    That would have been unreal! I'd imagine if they could script it then that would have been something they would have liked that would be some rematch!


  • #3501
    Media Obligations
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1 ✭Media Obligations


    .ak wrote: »
    I'd imagine a Lawlor title fight is the only alternative in terms of big ppv. Is that even a possibility? I'd like to see that fight.

    Funny enough when McGregor first got matched with Diaz I actually had a thought that it'd be funny if the scenario went like this; McGregor loses to Diaz, McGregor defends his belt, McGregor then fights RDA or some other 55s and possibly gets holds two belts, the hype train goes back up through the roof, meanwhile Diaz got a shot at Lawlor, and despite not actually wanting that title shot he catches Lawlor on an off day, puts him to sleep, gets the belt...

    THEN UFC reschedule the rematch at 170. Could you imagine the hype surrounding that event if all that other stuff had gone on first? I always thought this rematch was too soon. UFC need to let these side 'stories' progress naturally. I think they were always at risk of killing off their golden goose by rematching so quickly. What if he loses to Diaz so soon? He'd be a laughing stock and wouldn't have near the draw. His fight for UFC should always been either Aldo, Edgar or RDA.

    He could lose to Aldo and Edgar and I think he more than likely would have lost to RDA.


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  • #3502
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    jimmii wrote: »
    That would have been unreal! I'd imagine if they could script it then that would have been something they would have liked that would be some rematch!

    Unreal?? Scripted? I think you mean that would have been WWE


  • #3503
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    messinkiapina wrote: »
    I hope he does duck every other match offered to him and holds out for McGregor. I still feel that this is all down to Conor not really fancying a rematch with Nate. He's got to be hoping Nate loses to someone else at ufc 200, so he'll no longer have to deal with him himself.

    If someone had said that about RDA a few months ago they'd have been run out of town.....even tho it's more closer to the truth


  • #3504
    jimmii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    pone2012 wrote: »
    Unreal?? Scripted? I think you mean that would have been WWE

    Yeh that would definitely have been a wwe story line! Crazy things do happen in real life too though.


  • #3505
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Look, he burned out from media obligations etc.

    Look at what he has done in 3 years.

    He's only human afterall, everybody needs a break from the madness once in a while, especially with all the pressure he is carrying for everybody.

    If his head isn't right then leave him be for now, don't push him into a breakdown as had happened with many sports stars in the past.


  • #3506
    eddie73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Look, he burned out from media obligations etc.

    Look at what he has done in 3 years.

    He's only human afterall, everybody needs a break from the madness once in a while, especially with all the pressure he is carrying for everybody.

    If his head isn't right then leave him be for now, don't push him into a breakdown as had happened with many sports stars in the past.


    Yes he is only human, but he hyped himself up as someone who was extra ordinary. He is a fab talent, but is not invincible.
    In the history of capitalism, does it ever happen that someone doesnt turn up to market an event, or themselves having hyped themselves up into something or someone extra ordinary? it would have been a brilliant conference yesterday with him there. All he would have had to do was to turn round to Dos Anjos, or 'the little brazilian' and accuse them of turning up on twitter, if Diaz was turning the heat up on him. The more I think about this, the more I feel that McGregor could turn this around without much hassle. He is resourceful. This strategy he is playing now is not going to work. He is possibly wasting potentially the best time of his career by ducking away from the press.


  • #3507
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    eddie73 wrote: »
    Yes he is only human, but he hyped himself up as someone who was extra ordinary. He is a fab talent, but is not invincible.
    In the history of capitalism, does it ever happen that someone doesnt turn up to market an event, or themselves having hyped themselves up into something or someone extra ordinary? it would have been a brilliant conference yesterday with him there. All he would have had to do was to turn round to Dos Anjos, or 'the little brazilian' and accuse them of turning up on twitter, if Diaz was turning the heat up on him. The more I think about this, the more I feel that McGregor could turn this around without much hassle. He is resourceful. This strategy he is playing now is not going to work. He is possibly wasting potentially the best time of his career by ducking away from the press.

    So what if he is ducking away?

    If he feels his head isn't the right place for it then why shouldn't he?

    Nothing is more important than your mental wellbeing. The UFC clearly don't care.


  • #3508
    lougal88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭lougal88


    CSF wrote: »
    ...Conor is extremely good too. He didn't blitz his way to the Featherweight title by being good at talking at press conferences.

    No, but the press conferences and trash talking certainly helped.

    IMO Aldo was beaten before they stepped into the octagon. He fought with emotion, wanted to tear into Conor and unfortunately got caught.

    I do hope this is resolved and somehow Conor is back on the card. But the first fight was 6 weeks ago and ufc 200 is 10 weeks away. That's 16 weeks. Surely more than enough time to get a good training camp in.

    IMO he's making excuses. It's easier to sit at his computer and tweet witty responses rather than sit there opposite Nate and answer to his "I made you tap Mother F**ker" comments.


  • #3509
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    lougal88 wrote: »
    No, but the press conferences and trash talking certainly helped.

    IMO Aldo was beaten before they stepped into the octagon. He fought with emotion, wanted to tear into Conor and unfortunately got caught.

    I do hope this is resolved and somehow Conor is back on the card. But the first fight was 6 weeks ago and ufc 200 is 10 weeks away. That's 16 weeks. Surely more than enough time to get a good training camp in.

    IMO he's making excuses. It's easier to sit at his computer and tweet witty responses rather than sit there opposite Nate and answer to his "I made you tap Mother F**ker" comments.

    Why did he agree to take on the fight in the first place so?


  • #3510
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Diaz showed up to the presser, Mcgregor showed up on twitter :D


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  • #3511
    lougal88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭lougal88


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Why did he agree to take on the fight in the first place so?

    Pure ego obviously.


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