Tyres not roadworthy bigger cause of accidents than prev thought

tonyheaney · 11-04-2016 12:50pm

Going Forward wrote: »

And I'm always amused by the amount of bad "drivers" who try to challenge that maxim on public roads.

They're usually the ones talking about the great tyres they have.....

amazing the amount of full time long time idiots on the road, they must have got their driving licences in lucky bags

boardsuser1 · 15-04-2016 4:24pm

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/motorists-face-fine-and-penalty-points-for-using-bald-tyres-34630979.html

I welcome this but will it have a major impact?

CiniO · 15-04-2016 4:38pm

Very good.

boardsuser1 · 15-04-2016 4:41pm

CiniO wrote: »

Very good.

I hit a pot hole in wednesday night and blew 2 tyres that were only put on the car in february. Cost then €160,cost yesterday €160. €320 in 2 months.nothing about worn/defective roads.

Atlantic Dawn · 15-04-2016 4:41pm

What will happen if a car is stopped with defective tyres? I would presume they won't be allowed to continue their journey or else it would be like letting a driver who failed a breath test continue on their way. I suppose they already set aside a massive storage area to store all these cars at a nice €75 a day?

boardsuser1 · 15-04-2016 4:43pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What will happen if a car is stopped with defective tyres? I would presume they won't be allowed to continue their journey or else it would be like letting a driver who failed a breath test continue on their way. I suppose they already set aside a massive storage area to store all these cars at a nice €75 a day?

If it's just the 1 they'll probably make the driver change it (if they can and safely) plus issue a fine with points. Those storage yards are big. I was in one recently.

biko · 15-04-2016 4:52pm

Merged with previous threads based on that RSA investigation.

Good to read they will address bad tyres. Hopefully it'll help with road collisions.

expectationlost · 15-04-2016 5:32pm

the actual statutory instrument S.I. No. 167 of 2016
ROAD TRAFFIC (FIXED CHARGE OFFENCES — TYRES)
REGULATIONS 2016 http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/dttsdoclaid150416_154450.pdf which is based on Section 11(5) of the RoadTraffic Act (1961 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1961/act/24/section/11/enacted/en/html and S.I. No. 5/2003 - Road Traffic (Construction and Use of Vehicles) Regulations 2003 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2003/si/5/made/en/print

Road traffic act 2010 (section 54(d))(defective or worn tyres) (commencement) order 2016 http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/dttsdoclaid150416B_155519.pdf starting 17th of April

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly · 17-04-2016 9:17am

Yul Brinners get an €80 fine and 2 points from today. It's a nice morning so there might be a checkpoint or two about.

Superhorse · 17-04-2016 10:00am

Darn it. My back left is nearly shot was hoping to wait until the NCT in September to replace it.

boardsuser1 · 17-04-2016 10:30am

Superhorse wrote: »

Darn it. My back left is nearly shot was hoping to wait until the NCT in September to replace it.

I hope this is sarcasm? The amount of people who think a car is perfect from one NCT until the next need a serious wake up call. My own sister in law was driving around for months until i said it to her,the reply was disturbing, "sure once it passes the nct isn't it grand until the next time" and yes she is blonde.

mikeym · 17-04-2016 11:18am

Person on low income who cant afford to get new tyres gets caught, fined €80 buys new tyre or tyres and has to tell insurance company that he/she has 2 points which will drive up the cost of insurance.

Nobody gives a crap about the low income earners that barely afford to maintain their cars, dont forget people who drive older cars pay more in road tax than the rich folk in newer cars.

No need for penalty points the fine should be enough and there should be more spot checks by the Gardai.

Atlantic Dawn · 17-04-2016 11:30am

mikeym wrote: »

Person on low income who cant afford to get new tyres gets caught, fined €80 buys new tyre or tyres and has to tell insurance company that he/she has 2 points which will drive up the cost of insurance.

Nobody gives a crap about the low income earners that barely afford to maintain their cars, dont forget people who drive older cars pay more in road tax than the rich folk in newer cars.

No need for penalty points the fine should be enough and there should be more spot checks by the Gardai.

Would it not be worse if person on low incomes family had to pay for their funeral because they were driving around on slicks?

power pants · 17-04-2016 11:37am

Can get quality tyres for as cheap as 120 for all 4,no excuse to be driving on bald tyres imo

glued · 17-04-2016 11:54am

power pants wrote: »

Can get quality tyres for as cheap as 120 for all 4,no excuse to be driving on bald tyres imo

No, there isn't any excuse but they should look to also improve the conditions of the roads to ensure a tyre can last it's useful life on Irish roads. It can be expensive constantly replacing a tyre if you have constant pot holes around your house.

The cost of motoring is as much of a factor in accidents in Ireland as anything else, as some people simply cannot afford to maintain their cars anymore and yes they shouldn't be on the road but a lot of people would have no income without a car. This won't solve the problems of defective tyres on the road.

If the we really want to improve road safety we need to reduce the cost of motoring, particularly the insurance industry and the bizarre settlements we see every day that's driving up the costs of keeping your car on the road.

Wanderer2010 · 17-04-2016 12:00pm

I don't know much about cars but my recent service came back saying my two back tyres sidewalls were "perished" and should be replaced. It's a 2012 Astra so I'm just going to bite the bullet and get all four tyres replaced with brand new ones even if it's expensive will that do the trick, safety wise? Or do I also have to track balance and align them? Any advice appreciated

Clareman · 17-04-2016 12:04pm

I had to get 4 new tyres recently, €680 for the 4 of them, glad I got them now I've a feeling the price of tyres will go up with this news.

boardsuser1 · 17-04-2016 12:46pm

Forked out 160e on 2 new tyres the other day. Pirelli P7's. thanks to a pothole. also put 2 others on the car in February. same tyres same price. wrote a car off on remould tyres years ago.

joujoujou · 17-04-2016 1:22pm

mikeym wrote: »

Person on low income who cant afford to get new tyres gets caught, fined €80 buys new tyre or tyres and has to tell insurance company that he/she has 2 points which will drive up the cost of insurance.

Nobody gives a crap about the low income earners that barely afford to maintain their cars, dont forget people who drive older cars pay more in road tax than the rich folk in newer cars.

[...]

If one cannot afford to get new tyres, that actually means one cannot afford to have a car.

Simple as that.

pablo128 · 17-04-2016 1:49pm

mikeym wrote: »

Person on low income who cant afford to get new tyres gets caught, fined €80 buys new tyre or tyres and has to tell insurance company that he/she has 2 points which will drive up the cost of insurance.

Nobody gives a crap about the low income earners that barely afford to maintain their cars, dont forget people who drive older cars pay more in road tax than the rich folk in newer cars.

No need for penalty points the fine should be enough and there should be more spot checks by the Gardai.

The person on low income shouldn't be driving a car with bald tyres, end of story. Neither should anyone else. I'm astonished anyone would try to excuse that carry on to be honest.:mad:

grogi · 17-04-2016 2:30pm

mikeym wrote: »

Nobody gives a crap about the low income earners that barely afford to maintain their cars, dont forget people who drive older cars pay more in road tax than the rich folk in newer cars.

You should distinguish between the state caring or not about the lower earning part of the society and caring/not caring about the state of automobiles on the roads. An undetermined automobile brings danger not only to the its user, but also to any other else in the roads.

coylemj · 17-04-2016 2:51pm

mikeym wrote: »

Person on low income who cant afford to get new tyres gets caught, fined €80 buys new tyre or tyres and has to tell insurance company that he/she has 2 points which will drive up the cost of insurance.

Nobody gives a crap about the low income earners that barely afford to maintain their cars, dont forget people who drive older cars pay more in road tax than the rich folk in newer cars.

No need for penalty points the fine should be enough and there should be more spot checks by the Gardai.

The whole point about penalty points is that it levels the playing field and makes the rich guy feel the pain just as much as the low income people you claim to be speaking for.

The stats from Dublin city parking and clamping bears this out - one guy was clamped 55 times in four years demonstrating that if the only penalty is cash then the rich guy doesn't give a crap and has virtually no incentive to comply with the rules.

Charles Babbage · 17-04-2016 3:04pm

mikeym wrote: »

Person on low income who cant afford to get new tyres gets caught, fined €80 buys new tyre or tyres and has to tell insurance company that he/she has 2 points which will drive up the cost of insurance.

Nobody gives a crap about the low income earners that barely afford to maintain their cars, dont forget people who drive older cars pay more in road tax than the rich folk in newer cars.

No need for penalty points the fine should be enough and there should be more spot checks by the Gardai.

There is a case that a fine alone is appropriate, especially for tyres that are not great, but not slick. However it would need to be a bigger fine. €80 is the cost of a tyre and hardly covers the cost of administering the fine, the fine should be €500. There is no logic in these fines for safety related offences that are less than the cost of getting a car unclamped that has overstayed on a meter.

If people cannot afford to run a car safely then they should not run a car at all.

sunnysoutheast · 17-04-2016 3:07pm

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I don't know much about cars but my recent service came back saying my two back tyres sidewalls were "perished" and should be replaced. It's a 2012 Astra so I'm just going to bite the bullet and get all four tyres replaced with brand new ones even if it's expensive will that do the trick, safety wise? Or do I also have to track balance and align them? Any advice appreciated

If the tyres are otherwise lightly worn you often get wear/damage on the inside sidewalls of tyres from driving over speed cushions "flat", it's always better to go over them with one wheel completely.

If the tread has worn unevenly then tracking/alignment would be advised.

Yes they will need balancing.

Alun · 17-04-2016 4:01pm

Another reason for perished sidewalls is if the tyres are very old. UV light in sunlight affects the rubber and it hardens and becomes slightly brittle, hence the small cracks. Have a look at the DOT code on the sidewall and you should be able to determine the date of manufacture.

See http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11

mikeym · 17-04-2016 9:13pm

Some people seem to be living inside a bubble because not everyone is wealthy and running a car is expensive.

Some people even have trouble scrapping money to pay for petrol.

But those pheasants shouldnt be allowed to drive on the road because they are unsafe.

Maybe the minority have no choice but to drive around in worn tyres.

pablo128 · 17-04-2016 9:21pm

mikeym wrote: »

Some people seem to be living inside a bubble because not everyone is wealthy and running a car is expensive.

Some people even have trouble scrapping money to pay for petrol.

But those pheasants shouldnt be allowed to drive on the road because they are unsafe.

Maybe the minority have no choice but to drive around in worn tyres.

Hey I'm far from wealthy myself. I have to work 6 days most weeks to keep 2 cars on the road. But what I refuse to do is put myself, my partner, my child, or anyone else in danger by driving on bald tyres.

As it happens, I had to tax the 2 cars and insure one of them this month. I then spotted a nail in the missus's tyre. As the 2 front are wearing on the inside and low enough on thread anyway, I've to get 2 tyres and tracking on it tomorrow. I was going to wait till I got paid at the end of the month but no way am I paying a tenner to fix a tyre that will be replaced in 2 weeks.

Looks like I won't have the luxury of taking an odd saturday off work any time soon. But that's motoring for you.

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-04-2016 9:22pm

mikeym wrote: »

Some people seem to be living inside a bubble because not everyone is wealthy and running a car is expensive.

Some people even have trouble scrapping money to pay for petrol.

But those pheasants shouldnt be allowed to drive on the road because they are unsafe.

Maybe the minority have no choice but to drive around in worn tyres.

Is this a wind-up ?

That minority that cannot afford to drive on safe tyres indeed have no choice - they cannot drive at all.

Jesus. · 18-04-2016 12:11am

joujoujou wrote: »

If one cannot afford to get new tyres, that actually means one cannot afford to have a car.Simple as that.

Well its not as simple as that........is it?

Jesus. · 18-04-2016 12:14am

pablo128 wrote: »

Hey I'm far from wealthy myself. I have to work 6 days most weeks to keep 2 cars on the road. But what I refuse to do is put myself, my partner, my child, or anyone else in danger by driving on bald tyres.As it happens, I had to tax the 2 cars and insure one of them this month. I then spotted a nail in the missus's tyre. As the 2 front are wearing on the inside and low enough on thread anyway, I've to get 2 tyres and tracking on it tomorrow. I was going to wait till I got paid at the end of the month but no way am I paying a tenner to fix a tyre that will be replaced in 2 weeks.

Looks like I won't have the luxury of taking an odd saturday off work any time soon. But that's motoring for you.

No offence but that comes across like a rather servile attitude to the situation mate.

carzony · 18-04-2016 1:21am

I do think motoring needs to become a little bit cheaper for everyone though. The cost of keeping a car on the road in Ireland is shocking when you add even the basics up. The tyre legislation is great but will never really be implemented by Gardai on a big scale, It'll all be forgotten about very soon..

joujoujou · 18-04-2016 12:33pm

Jesus. wrote: »

Well its not as simple as that........is it?

It is. Fullstop.

fancy pigeon · 18-04-2016 2:39pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

So your OK with that excuse if they plow into the back of your car then because of bald tyres?

He's 100% right though, Pheasants are poor fliers at best and are one of the dopiest birds in Ireland, what would make them any better behind the wheel of a car?

Special Circumstances · 18-04-2016 2:53pm

fancy pigeon wrote: »

He's 100% right though, Pheasants are poor fliers at best and are one of the dopiest birds in Ireland, what would make them any better behind the wheel of a car?

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Disaster.

uck51js9zml2yt · 18-04-2016 3:10pm

Did I hear correctly today that its now an offence to drive with bald tyres and points will be applied ( not that it never was an offence!)

jimgoose · 18-04-2016 3:16pm

fancy pigeon wrote: »

He's 100% right though, Pheasants are poor fliers at best and are one of the dopiest birds in Ireland, what would make them any better behind the wheel of a car?

I'm not convinced that giving pheasants cars will help the situation one bit. Aside from the fact that they're dumb, myopic so-and-sos the shotgun blasts will send glass everywhere. I'm with the Gummint on this one.

Tigger · 18-04-2016 5:34pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I put little faith in checkpoints these days. There is one regularly outside my apartments. The last time I saw the guards stop and wave on a car with only one working headlight, one bald tyre and it was on UK plates (somebody dodging VRT as I always see it around).

was breathalyzed two christmasses ago while the woman with two kids standing on the back seat was waved through
it was clearly a breath test checkpoint not a strap your kids in checkpoint

allthedoyles · 18-04-2016 5:39pm

It used to puzzle me that gardai never check tyres etc after an accident.
With trucks the 4 authorities are usually at checkpoints . rsa . sw . customs and gardai

shietpilot · 18-04-2016 6:03pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

It used to puzzle me that gardai never check tyres etc after an accident.
With trucks the 4 authorities are usually at checkpoints . rsa . sw . customs and gardai

Insurance assessors always check the tyres.

LostTazMan · 18-04-2016 6:52pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

So your OK with that excuse if they plow into the back of your car then because of bald tyres?

No, but I would accept that excuse for driving an unsafe car and taking account of the additional care required. Someone who has to drive to work may sometimes have to choose between driving an unsafe car for a time or quitting work entirely. I was in that position a few years ago, and while I agree it is illegal I am not hypocritical enough to condemn someone else for what I also did under dire need.

Dire need does not mean choosing to spend money on alcohol, cigarettes or gambling however. To my mind it is acceptable to drive an unsafe car when the only other thing left to be cut is food and shelter for your family, providing that additional care is taken to compensate for the condition of the car.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly · 18-04-2016 7:58pm

LostTazMan wrote: »

To my mind it is acceptable to drive an unsafe car

Ah come on!
Could you not have just not taxed the car if you were broke? At least there is no risk of injury with this.

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-04-2016 8:02pm

LostTazMan wrote: »

No, but I would accept that excuse for driving an unsafe car and taking account of the additional care required. Someone who has to drive to work may sometimes have to choose between driving an unsafe car for a time or quitting work entirely. I was in that position a few years ago, and while I agree it is illegal I am not hypocritical enough to condemn someone else for what I also did under dire need.

Dire need does not mean choosing to spend money on alcohol, cigarettes or gambling however. To my mind it is acceptable to drive an unsafe car when the only other thing left to be cut is food and shelter for your family, providing that additional care is taken to compensate for the condition of the car.

To my mind it is unacceptable that you drive a car at all.

LostTazMan · 18-04-2016 9:44pm

I couldn't tax it either. :-(

There was a 6 month stretch where I was financially screwed. I was a month later than I should have been replacing a shock, and about the same replacing a pair of tyres. I knew that the car wasn't right so I travelled to work early to avoid rush hour traffic, kept my speed down and my braking distance up. Then work picked up, my hours were increased and I could maintain the car properly again. We were living in the back end of nowhere, with no lift available. I couldn't afford the rent closer to work.

I'm sure you would have either quit the job, or walked to work. I chose not to.

Dord · 18-04-2016 10:06pm

IMO if you can't afford basic maintenance on your car then you need to either keep it off the road until you can afford it, declare it off the road if that will be longer, or sell it. No excuse. If the car you own costs to much to run then get a car that's cheaper to maintain.

LostTazMan · 18-04-2016 11:22pm

Dord, you are absolutely right. I was knowingly putting others at risk by what I was doing, regardless of how I managed the risk.

Given the same circumstances I would do the same thing again, knowing that it was wrong, and live with the consequences of my actions. Not everything is black and white, there are shades of grey too.

I agree that what I did was wrong, but I can't condemn anyone else for doing it.

Jesus. · 19-04-2016 1:07pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

To my mind it is unacceptable that you drive a car at all.

To my mind its more unacceptable that the cost of motoring in Ireland has spiralled out of control in recent years

jimgoose · 19-04-2016 1:39pm

Jesus. wrote: »

To my mind its more unacceptable that the cost of motoring in Ireland has spiralled out of control in recent years

Too true. I just paid €35 for a Bridgestone 225/55/R16 with ~12mm of tread on it. Disgray-ass, Jow. And my good friend the tyre man tells me his place was like a sort of zombie apocalypse yesterday. :pac:

Dord · 19-04-2016 10:12pm

Jesus. wrote: »

To my mind its more unacceptable that the cost of motoring in Ireland has spiralled out of control in recent years

True, but it's not going on maintenance nor fuel, but on insurance.

The Rape of Lucretia · 20-04-2016 12:09pm

Jesus. wrote: »

To my mind its more unacceptable that the cost of motoring in Ireland has spiralled out of control in recent years

Why - it isnt not anyones responsibilty to control it. It hasnt spiraled. It moves with market forces.

Jesus. · 20-04-2016 12:48pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Why - it isnt not anyones responsibilty to control it. It hasnt spiraled. It moves with market forces.

So the Government should do nothing about rising premiums esp on older cars? The market always dictates?

Tyres not roadworthy bigger cause of accidents than prev thought

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