Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Utopia Parkway · 31-03-2016 01:42PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

The belts symbolise who is the best fighter. So yeah I care about the belt. I guess it depends why you watch. Is it purely for entertainment or do you care about who's the best guy etc.

It's not purely sport though as the UFC is in the fight promotion game. They will put on fights that people want to see or that will make money over what is fair in a sporting sense. Not always but more often than not. The belts are a nice framework to hang things on but they have always been prepared to overlook it if they can make more money from something else. Just the way it is.

Gamebred · 31-03-2016 01:43PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

You're missing the point though. I'll 100% watch the entire card. I can't wait to see him fight Diaz and see how it plays out. I get its all about the money. It's just frustrating that it's become that way. He's fighting on a card two weight classes above where he holds the championship while two legit contenders fight on the same card for a plastic belt.

Look I wanted the him to fight Frankie or Aldo too but its not happening I wont cry about it,his defence will come weather its July or September it wont matter to me,people on here crying like hes fighting some bum in the main event,they all wanted months of build ups leading into the first Diaz fight ''imagine loads of these press conferences'' was the line,now because Conor lost its gone from best match up ever to 'nobody gives a ****'' which is idiotic.

Swashbuckler wrote: »

The belts symbolise who is the best fighter. So yeah I care about the belt. I guess it depends why you watch. Is it purely for entertainment or do you care about who's the best guy etc.

I disagree with this,with so many fighters getting injured or other the likes of jones stripped the best fighter isnt usually the one with the belt,we know DC aint the best,we know miesha aint the best,we know TJ bet Cruz,Khabib at 155,thats opinion for all sorts of discussion probably not on this thread but you get my drift the fans know a real champ when they see one,the man holding the belt isnt always that IMO.

Muahahaha · 31-03-2016 01:50PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

He's the 145 champion , is active and is responsible to defend his belt and should do that or vacate IMO.

Fair point but I think at the end of the day it is Dana/Lorenzo who have all of the power here. Clearly they are okay with him not vacating as the Diaz fight is another money spinner and even if he loses then there is a further money spinner at 145. Its a no brainer business decision, I think fans need to realise that the idealism of sport and giving everyone a fair go does not count a jot here, cash is king no matter what in this franchose. And who could blame them, why would they force Conor to make a decision on vacating, they would be just devaluing their biggest earning fighter prematurely. If he loses to Diaz he still has pulling power as champ at 145. There's no point in the UFC flushing that pulling power down the toilet and kissing goodbye to another big money day. If Conor loses

shrapnel222 · 31-03-2016 01:52PM

I'm sorry but headlining such a big milestone for the sport with what is essentially a pointless revenge grudge match for an egomaniac is a real shame.

yes we still want to see that fight but doing it at 200 is ridiculous, especially with the interim belt being fought for on the same card whilst he is being indulged is an absolute joke.

Swashbuckler · 31-03-2016 01:58PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

It's not purely sport though as the UFC is in the fight promotion game. They will put on fights that people want to see or that will make money over what is fair in a sporting sense. Not always but more often than not. The belts are a nice framework to hang things on but they have always been prepared to overlook it if they can make more money from something else. Just the way it is.

I get what you're saying but do you honestly think the reason he's fighting Diaz is because it's what the people want to see? For me it's because McG wanted it. But I guess the UFC know he will sell regardless who he's fighting.

Utopia Parkway · 31-03-2016 02:21PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I get what you're saying but do you honestly think the reason he's fighting Diaz is because it's what the people want to see? For me it's because McG wanted it. But I guess the UFC know he will sell regardless who he's fighting.

Not really a fan of the rematch so soon especially at 170 but I think the UFC brass must have felt they owed Conor one as he could have easily pulled out of fights previously but didn't.

DrPhilG · 31-03-2016 02:36PM

Devastator wrote: »

I don't even know what that means :pac: So I'll just guess you don't want anyone disagreeing with you?

I wouldn't have considered Mendes or Holloway legit challengers....certainly nowhere near the same class as Aldo or Edgar anyway. Chad had his chance, this 2 week camp is BS IMO. His team are notorious(for lack of a better word) gym bunnies so I don't buy that excuse from him at all for losing at 189. Yeah Holloway had wins, but it was still little over 2 years since he lost to McGregor and its not like he was fighting top level guys in that run either.

I have no problem with someone disagreeing. I don't like people deliberately misrepresenting what I say.

If you're not deliberately misinterpreting me then you're just missing the point repeatedly. Either way continuing the debate is a waste of my time.

Devastator · 31-03-2016 03:25PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

I have no problem with someone disagreeing. I don't like people deliberately misrepresenting what I say.

If you're not deliberately misinterpreting me then you're just missing the point repeatedly. Either way continuing the debate is a waste of my time.

wow dude! take a deep breath and relax!!! You are usually 1 of the calmer and more collected posters to this forum....I don't know what I've done to upset you so much

I was asking you a question, to clarify your opinion, hence why I started with "Just to check" and ended with a ? and from that you've concluded I was deliberately misinterpreting you?

Sorry to waste so much of your precious time :rolleyes: but maybe you should rethink posting on a discussion forum if you've got more important things to do than have a discussion.

DrPhilG · 31-03-2016 04:14PM

Devastator wrote: »

wow dude! take a deep breath and relax!!! You are usually 1 of the calmer and more collected posters to this forum....I don't know what I've done to upset you so much

LOL, I thought I had been perfectly calm. Maybe I came across as losing the rag because I was posting in haste on the phone. I'm at a PC now so I'll try to recap.

Devastator wrote: »

I was asking you a question, to clarify your opinion, hence why I started with "Just to check" and ended with a ? and from that you've concluded I was deliberately misinterpreting you?

I'll blame the joys of internet interpretation for that one. To me the "just to check" part came across as sarcastic. If that was not the intention, apologies. I'm getting cynical in my old age. The other reason I took that as sarcastic is that you did seem to miss what I was saying. If I read it it correctly, you suggested double standards because I expected McGregor to offer rematches to those he had defeated, whilst criticising him for chasing a rematch himself. That's not the point I'm making. The point I was trying to make was that Mendes or Holloway wouldn't be getting that fight as revenge, they would be getting it because they were worthy championship contenders and McGregor should have defended his belt.

I believe that the first choice for a champion should always be to defend his/her title. The only reasons for moving up/down would be;
1 - no acceptable opponent.
2 - division has been cleared out.
3 - shot at a title in another weight.

Reason 1 - Yes Mendes was defeated, and rightly so. I don't believe the old "2 weeks notice" excuse either. McGregor only had 2 weeks to prepare for a wrestler so the full training camp excuse wasn't an issue. However I would like to see them face each other with both having a full camp behind them.

Holloway has won 8 in a row since the McGregor defeat. The last 3 were against Swanson, Oliviera and Stephens. Not sure what their rank was when they fought him but they are currently 6, 7 and 8 so they were certainly in or around the top 5 when Holloway beat them. He is easily a genuine candidate to have had a title shot if Aldo and Edgar were unavailable.

Reason 2 - McGregor has clearly not emptied the division. I don't think even Gamebred would disagree with that.

Reason 3 - This one is the reason I agree that he was right to take the RDA fight.

However regarding the Diaz rematch, none of those 3 options are valid.

Devastator wrote: »

Sorry to waste so much of your precious time :rolleyes: but maybe you should rethink posting on a discussion forum if you've got more important things to do than have a discussion.

As I said, apologies if I jumped the gun, I was of the opinion that you were arguing for arguments sake. I also tried to delete my accusation of you being facetious because on reflection I realised I was being rude but I didn't get the edit done on time.

Peace out!

Devastator · 31-03-2016 05:34PM

Fair enough. Unfortunately the text only based platforms like forums, chat, text messages, etc a lot of things can be lost in translation type of thing as tones of voice, facial movements or hand gestures are missing. There are some ppl(mostly newer users but not naming anyone

) on this forum that I don't pay a lot(any) of attention to their opinions and I sort of glance over their posts but you've been posting on here for aslong as I can remember and thats why I was wanting to get a better idea of where you were coming from. If you were just some newbie saying that I wouldn't have gave a f*** what you thought

I think we just disagree on the worthiness of Mendes & Holloway for a title shot. IMO Aldo & Edgar at this point are the only 2 I think deserve it. I would probably have Holloway in a distant 3rd because Mendes had his shot. I think my main reason for not deeming either worthy is I can't see any different outcome(well maybe a McG finish over MH) from their previous fights with McG and that doesn't excite me. At this stage I would like to see him challenged. Saying that, I'm not overly excited about the Diaz rematch at 170 either. I thought the fight a few weeks ago was very exciting at the time but I've not been able to bring myself to watch it back again and watch it properly.

I think 1 thing we will probably agree on is that whatever matchups are made not everyone will be happy.

Foxtrol · 31-03-2016 05:34PM

D.Q wrote: »

there needs to be a mountaintop of sorts though. The narrative makes no sense otherwise. The fighters should be striving towards the belt.

Swashbuckler wrote: »

The belts symbolise who is the best fighter. So yeah I care about the belt. I guess it depends why you watch. Is it purely for entertainment or do you care about who's the best guy etc.

It depends. IMO for too long too many fighters have worked hard to get their title shots but when they win go into complete defensive mode on their title and ‘legacy’. For example taking huge breaks between fights, pulling out when they’re in anything but perfect condition, refusing superfights, fighting in a much more passive/safer way, refusing short notice replacements.

I think Conor’s attempt to fight RDA was refreshing. To me that mindset is way more a sign of someone who wants to ‘reach the mountaintop’ or ‘be the best’ than the champions who score once and then park the bus in front of the goal.

Foxtrol · 31-03-2016 05:44PM

shrapnel222 wrote: »

I'm sorry but headlining such a big milestone for the sport with what is essentially a pointless revenge grudge match for an egomaniac is a real shame.

yes we still want to see that fight but doing it at 200 is ridiculous, especially with the interim belt being fought for on the same card whilst he is being indulged is an absolute joke.

The UFC has started to put the biggest draw (or ‘the people’s main event’) as the official main event, I think it’s preferable than what they were doing in the past.

Unless they bring in GSP or Jones takes a quick turnaround this fight will by far be the one that draws the most media and fan attention. Outside of your romantic notions, you simply cant have a main event that is totally eclipsed by a fight that would be billed 4th last (presuming you want to put the reported 3 title fights ahead). It just looks silly otherwise.

Foxtrol · 31-03-2016 05:52PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

He's the 145 champion , is active and is responsible to defend his belt and should do that or vacate IMO.

I don’t understand why it seems people are perfectly fine with champions sitting at home with their feet up only want to fight at most every 6 months, which of course more often than not ends up being closer to 8-12 months if either fighter has to pull out, but are calling for punishment for a fighter who is fighting. At least we’re getting to enjoy the fighter when they’re active in other divisions; we get absolutely nothing in the other situation.

Swashbuckler · 31-03-2016 06:10PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

It depends. IMO for too long too many fighters have worked hard to get their title shots but when they win go into complete defensive mode on their title and ‘legacy’. For example taking huge breaks between fights, pulling out when they’re in anything but perfect condition, refusing superfights, fighting in a much more passive/safer way, refusing short notice replacements.

I think Conor’s attempt to fight RDA was refreshing. To me that mindset is way more a sign of someone who wants to ‘reach the mountaintop’ or ‘be the best’ than the champions who score once and then park the bus in front of the goal.

Good points. I never disagreed with him fighting RDA to be honest. I always thought fair play. Then Diaz had to step in so fair enough. This second fight bothers me though. But as Gamebred said maybe just accept it's a money business now.

Davei141 · 31-03-2016 06:34PM

If people cant see the absurdity of McGregor fighting twice out of his weight class (a bloody rematch with Diaz for nothing) while there is 2 extremely viable contenders then there is no hope for you. No matter what he does people will defend it some how. The 145 pound champion is fighting on a card with the 145 interim belt being contested because of his massive ego. We all know if he wins he isn't going to defend that belt ever again, hell if he loses he probably still won't ever defend it. It's ok to admit the whole thing is ridiculous, i'm sure McGregor wont mind.

Too Tough To Die · 31-03-2016 06:40PM

Davei141 wrote: »

If people cant see the absurdity of McGregor fighting twice out of his weight class (a bloody rematch with Diaz for nothing) while there is 2 extremely viable contenders then their is no hope for you. No matter what he does people will defend it some how. The 145 pound champion is fighting on a card with the 145 interim belt being contested because of his massive ego. We all know if he wins he isn't going to defend that belt ever again, hell if he loses he probably still won't ever defend it. It's ok to admit the whole thing is ridiculous, i'm sure McGregor wont mind.

You're probably more upset than either Aldo or Edgar. What do you think they want more, McGregor or the belt? If McGregor gives up the belt those fights look a lot less likely for either of those guys. So, relax.

Gamebred · 31-03-2016 06:43PM

Davei141 wrote: »

If people cant see the absurdity of McGregor fighting twice out of his weight class (a bloody rematch with Diaz for nothing) while there is 2 extremely viable contenders then their is no hope for you. No matter what he does people will defend it some how. The 145 pound champion is fighting on a card with the 145 interim belt being contested because of his massive ego. We all know if he wins he isn't going to defend that belt ever again, hell if he loses he probably still won't ever defend it. It's ok to admit the whole thing is ridiculous, i'm sure McGregor wont mind.

You will still watch it though,as will we all.

Foxtrol · 31-03-2016 07:08PM

Davei141 wrote: »

If people cant see the absurdity of McGregor fighting twice out of his weight class (a bloody rematch with Diaz for nothing) while there is 2 extremely viable contenders then their is no hope for you. No matter what he does people will defend it some how. The 145 pound champion is fighting on a card with the 145 interim belt being contested because of his massive ego. We all know if he wins he isn't going to defend that belt ever again, hell if he loses he probably still won't ever defend it. It's ok to admit the whole thing is ridiculous, i'm sure McGregor wont mind.

Did you have an issue with Aldo (and plenty of other champions for that matter) whose decisions/tactics meant far bigger gaps between their defenses?

sonofenoch · 31-03-2016 07:41PM

If rumors are to be believed and McGregor had beaten Diaz he'd have been fighting GSP next up in a 'superfight' ......could still happen if he beats Diaz 2nd time round ....there's one for the Aldo/Edgar botherers to ponder.......the evidence suggests he'll only be going back to 145 now as a very last resort depending on what happens elsewhere

Swashbuckler · 31-03-2016 07:42PM

sonofenoch wrote: »

If rumors are to be believed and McGregor had beaten Diaz he'd have been fighting GSP next up in a 'superfight' ......could still happen if he beats Diaz 2nd time round ....there's one for the Aldo/Edgar botherers to ponder.......the evidence suggests he'll only be going back to 145 now as a very last resort depending on what happens elsewhere

I don't think there's much foundation to that rumour to be honest.

Davei141 · 31-03-2016 07:43PM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

You're probably more upset than either Aldo or Edgar. What do you think they want more, McGregor or the belt? If McGregor gives up the belt those fights look a lot less likely for either of those guys. So, relax.

Is it ridiculous or not?

Gamebred wrote: »

You will still watch it though,as will we all.

Yeah and I would also watch him vs Edgar & Aldo, so would everyone else. That is the point.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Did you have an issue with Aldo (and plenty of other champions for that matter) whose decisions/tactics meant far bigger gaps between their defenses?

I would have preferred champions defended their belts more often yes, absolutely. "Decisions/tactics" is a funny way of saying injuries.

StringerBell · 31-03-2016 07:45PM

Davei141 wrote: »

If people cant see the absurdity of McGregor fighting twice out of his weight class (a bloody rematch with Diaz for nothing) while there is 2 extremely viable contenders then their is no hope for you. No matter what he does people will defend it some how. The 145 pound champion is fighting on a card with the 145 interim belt being contested because of his massive ego. We all know if he wins he isn't going to defend that belt ever again, hell if he loses he probably still won't ever defend it. It's ok to admit the whole thing is ridiculous, i'm sure McGregor wont mind.

Can you imagine the fuss he would kick up if it was happening the other way, as in McGregor has to go fight for an interim belt while the champ of the division fights someone else in a meaningless fight on the same card no less!

It is ok to point out the ridiculousness of the situation.

shrapnel222 · 31-03-2016 07:46PM

Gamebred wrote: »

You will still watch it though,as will we all.

We watch every event ffs. Stop thinking we watch ufc for him. We just watch MMA because we like MMA, he has nothing to do with that.

Davei141 · 31-03-2016 07:48PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Can you imagine the fuss he would kick up if it was happening the other way, as in McGregor has to go fight for an interim belt while the champ of the division fights someone else in a meaningless fight on the same card no less!

It is ok to point out the ridiculousness of the situation.

Not only the fuss he would kick up this entire forum would go into meltdown.

Wrongway1985 · 31-03-2016 07:50PM

Mark Henry (No not the weightlifter turned wwe fella) Edgars coach will be on newstalk around 20:15

Gamebred · 31-03-2016 07:56PM

shrapnel222 wrote: »

We watch every event ffs. Stop thinking we watch ufc for him. We just watch MMA because we like MMA, he has nothing to do with that.

Thats funny,you have a group of people crying about the match making yet watch every event,the irony.

DrPhilG · 31-03-2016 08:00PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Thats funny,you have a group of people crying about the match making yet watch every event,the irony.

So people are not allowed an opinion?

Can people not watch Man United and also complain that Louis Van Gaal is crap?

Gamebred · 31-03-2016 08:02PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

So people are not allowed an opinion?

Can people not watch Man United and also complain that Louis Van Gaal is crap?

Where did I say they arent allowed an opinion?,I watch most boxing thats on tv,I refuse to pay for for hyped up miss matches thus not buying for example Anthony Joshuas fights,how can I complain if I went and funded it? very strange people doing the same with Conor hate this match up but will 100% be glued to it,if you aint happy dont watch simple as that.

Davei141 · 31-03-2016 08:02PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Thats funny,you have a group of people crying about the match making yet watch every event,the irony.

Better shut down this forum. People who watch MMA shouldn't discuss match making. Gamebred special.

Gamebred · 31-03-2016 08:04PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Better shut down this forum. People who watch MMA shouldn't discuss match making. Gamebred special.

Never said dont discuss the merits of the match making,Im saying if you dont want to see matches of this type dont tune in save yourself the trouble,you are enabling them by watching them.

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