UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

maximoose · 31-03-2016 10:45AM

Iffy source, but Dana has apparently said it is not the co-main, still to be announced.

Keyzer · 31-03-2016 10:55AM

I predict Diaz to win this.

The punch he landed in the second round of the first fight essentially ended the contest. Conor was all over the place after that and never recovered.

Additionally, Diaz'z ground game is far superior.

Diaz to win by submission - second round.

Subcomandante Marcos · 31-03-2016 10:59AM

Keyzer wrote: »

I predict Diaz to win this.

The punch he landed in the second round of the first fight essentially ended the contest. Conor was all over the place after that and never recovered.

Additionally, Diaz'z ground game is far superior.

Diaz to win by submission - second round.

I see it happening similarly as well.

As Diaz said himself, the reason he doesn't have more knockouts if because he wobbles people and then they shoot on him, and once it goes to the ground it's over. The reason he has the second most submission wins in UFC history is because his boxing puts people on wobble street and they turn into panic wrestlers and get tapped.

That_Guy · 31-03-2016 11:00AM

An interim-title fight between Frankie and Aldo is fúcking ludicrous considering the champion is fighting on the same card. Outrageous.

VisibleGorilla · 31-03-2016 11:14AM

That_Guy wrote: »

An interim-title fight between Frankie and Aldo is fúcking ludicrous considering the champion is fighting on the same card. Outrageous.

Completely, but it is now the UFConor....

I hope Diaz destroys him again and gets a nice TKO from ground and pound, don't let him tap out easily.

TimRiggins · 31-03-2016 11:15AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I see it happening similarly as well.

As Diaz said himself, the reason he doesn't have more knockouts if because he wobbles people and then they shoot on him, and once it goes to the ground it's over. The reason he has the second most submission wins in UFC history is because his boxing puts people on wobble street and they turn into panic wrestlers and get tapped.

That and the fact that the Diaz brothers don't put full power into their punches. They use volume based boxing, throwing at about 50-60%.

stephenl15 · 31-03-2016 11:19AM

That_Guy wrote: »

An interim-title fight between Frankie and Aldo is fúcking ludicrous considering the champion is fighting on the same card. Outrageous.

Not really since it gives them an added huge fight, where before it might've been Frankie Conor with no Aldo or Diaz, now they have both fights which is good from a financial perspective. Also, Conor could've said Diaz at 170 or I don't fight at 200, the UFCs hands are pretty tied then. Apparently Dana, Lorenzo and JK all tried to talk him out of it and defend 145 or at least take Diaz at 155, but since he was so set on it, there wasn't much they could do.

That_Guy · 31-03-2016 11:24AM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Completely, but it is now the UFConor....

I hope Diaz destroys him again and gets a nice TKO from ground and pound, don't let him tap out easily.

I understand from a monetary standpoint why all parties are agreeing to it. I just don't need to see it again so soon.

The beauty of Mir/Lesnar II at UFC 100 was that it was a long time before they met each other leading up to that point. It was exciting to see how both fighters had grown/changed since that initial meeting.

Rematches are overkill at this point in the UFC but it's a real cluster fúck of a booking having Aldo/Edgar fight for a glorified #1 contender spot.

I like Conor myself. Big fan for sure but I'm not sure what this fight does for either guy. Do they have a rubber fight if Conor wins?

Diaz wanted a big pay day and he's gotten one and is going to get another one but they are missing a trick with him I think. He's become known in the mainstream now and is pretty media savvy when he's out of his shell.

A loss for him might actually kill any momentum he had in getting that favourable push.

I don't like the fight. I'll watch it of course but I think it's a bad booking for all 4 guys involved.

djPSB · 31-03-2016 11:32AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Where's giving the best odds for Diaz?

PP are 9/10 for both of them, Ladbrokes are 11/10 for Diaz...

Seems very close odds right now but I expect Diaz to drift when people start backing Conor.

Thoughts on the betting?

Is Conor value at 9/10??

finglashoop · 31-03-2016 11:37AM

djPSB wrote: »

Thoughts on the betting?

Is Conor value at 9/10??

Conor.by.decision if your gonna back him.

Diaz price will.go out when the man bun brigade start backing him. Id say diaz will shorten.fight week.

darced · 31-03-2016 11:42AM

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That_Guy · 31-03-2016 11:54AM

djPSB wrote: »

Thoughts on the betting?

Is Conor value at 9/10??

As a single bet, it's really not worth it unless you're going by method of victory or doubling/trebling up with another fighter(s).

Kenny Bania · 31-03-2016 11:54AM

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Of course I understand the business of it, what's your problem with my opinion of it being a bad fight

If you understand the business of it, how is it a bad fight? Bad for whom exactly?

PM me nudes · 31-03-2016 11:54AM

finglashoop wrote: »

Conor.by.decision if your gonna back him.

Diaz price will.go out when the man bun brigade start backing him. Id say diaz will shorten.fight week.

Diaz already strong in the market and McGregor drifting.

Devastator · 31-03-2016 12:05PM

Davei141 wrote: »

I can't see 3 potentially 25 minute fights. Edgar-Aldo will be co-main. Putting RDA vs Alvarez does nothing to improve the card.

It was announced Edgar/Aldo would not be co main on the card. What else, other than a title fight would get higher up the bill? Greasegate II with BJ & GSP comebacks? :pac:

That_Guy · 31-03-2016 12:05PM

Kenny Bania wrote: »

If you understand the business of it, how is it a bad fight? Bad for whom exactly?

It's a good match up... but it doesn't need to be made this close to the last time they fought.

I think Diaz has more to lose. At least Conor has the belt to fall back on but Diaz's stock has never been higher. If he loses, I think all of that momentum behind him disappears.

John_D80 · 31-03-2016 12:15PM

That_Guy wrote: »

It's a good match up... but it doesn't need to be made this close to the last time they fought.

I think Diaz has more to lose. At least Conor has the belt to fall back on but Diaz's stock has never been higher. If he loses, I think all of that momentum behind him disappears.

Diaz has absolutely nothing to lose here once again. He is not the big name here. Win or lose, this will be the biggest night of his career ever.

If he does lose, particularly if its a good fight, it opens up the possibility of a rubber match. Annother exorbitant payday for them both.

Kenny Bania · 31-03-2016 12:23PM

That_Guy wrote: »

I think Diaz has more to lose. At least Conor has the belt to fall back on but Diaz's stock has never been higher. If he loses, I think all of that momentum behind him disappears.

Momentum? Diaz wants to make money - not momentum.

Davei141 · 31-03-2016 12:24PM

Devastator wrote: »

It was announced Edgar/Aldo would not be co main on the card. What else, other than a title fight would get higher up the bill? Greasegate II with BJ & GSP comebacks? :pac:

Didn't know they said it wasn't the co-main. The idea of potentially 3x25 mins doesn't enthuse me too much but it depends on what gets announced. If it is RDA vs Alvarez i will not be impressed at all.

Kenny Bania · 31-03-2016 12:43PM

Davei141 wrote: »

Didn't know they said it wasn't the co-main. The idea of potentially 3x25 mins doesn't enthuse me too much but it depends on what gets announced. If it is RDA vs Alvarez i will not be impressed at all.

It'll be Juliana Pena vs Cat Zingano.

31-03-2016 02:16PM

Whatever about McGregor, but the idea of Nate Diaz headlining UFC200 is pretty mad when you think about it

raze_them_all_ · 31-03-2016 02:20PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Whatever about McGregor, but the idea of Nate Diaz headlining UFC200 is pretty mad when you think about it

The guy that smashed the golden goose?

Kenny Bania · 31-03-2016 02:29PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

The guy that smashed the golden goose?

When you say "smashed", I assume you're just completely forgetting the first round of the fight?

raze_them_all_ · 31-03-2016 02:30PM

Kenny Bania wrote: »

When you say "smashed", I assume you're just completely forgetting the first round of the fight?

You mean where he took what mcgreggor had to throw at him, was never rocked and kept coming forward?

Gamebred · 31-03-2016 02:32PM

Kenny Bania wrote: »

When you say "smashed", I assume you're just completely forgetting the first round of the fight?

Watch rd 1 again was no demolition,he took out the p4p number 3 in 8 minutes hes quite deserving of his main event bill on that alone imo.

dashoonage · 31-03-2016 02:33PM

#WAR209!

Kenny Bania · 31-03-2016 02:35PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Watch rd 1 again was no demolition,he took out the p4p number 3 in 8 minutes hes quite deserving of his main event bill on that alone imo.

Did you misread what I said, or are you replying to someone else? Where did I say Rd1 was a demolition? Conor won 6 out of the 8 minutes they fought - so how was he "smashed" by Nate exactly?

newbbieb · 31-03-2016 02:35PM

Kenny Bania wrote: »

When you say "smashed", I assume you're just completely forgetting the first round of the fight?

I am as big a McGregor fan as the next guy but i would say he got smashed or dominated it was a pretty conclusive finish.

People overstate that first,which he definitely won without doubt but winning one round does not count when you get rocked on the feet almost ko'd then submitted,in reality Conors fight didn't look a whole lot different to Lombards recent outing except Lombard was at least close to finishing Magny.Nate was never near being stopped in this fight.

Gamebred · 31-03-2016 02:36PM

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Did you misread what I said, or are you replying to someone else? Where did I say Rd1 was a demolition? Conor won it - so how was he "smashed" by Nate exactly?

He got lit up like light a christmas tree and turned into a panic grappler before he was about to be ko'd standing,thats factual.

akelly02 · 31-03-2016 02:37PM

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Did you misread what I said, or are you replying to someone else? Where did I say Rd1 was a demolition? Conor won 6 out of the 8 minutes they fought - so how was he "smashed" by Nate exactly?

Because he had Conor wobbled so bad that the KO was inevitable, so Conor panic wrestled as he puts it himself, then got choked out within seconds.

UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

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