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When aren't you a Catholic?

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  • #122
    Walter H Price
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    DanielODonnell wrote: »
    You are only a Catholic if you attend mass, you are only a Christian if you attend service and live a Christian life.
    not all Catholics are real Christians

    atheists are just brainwashed people who cannot see the light

    What light ?


  • #123
    mansize
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    I told the PP that if I die before my mother, she can give me a Christian burial if she wants, otherwise I don't want one. I wouldn't want to make her more grief worse buy having a burial I won't know about


  • #124
    DanielODonnell
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    Walter H Price wrote: »
    What light ?

    the light of living your life in Christs shadow


  • #125
    Walter H Price
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    DanielODonnell wrote: »
    the light of living your life in Christs shadow

    Cool thanks not much light in the shade of some dudes shadow but thank's for clearing that up hahaha


  • #126
    Speedwell
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    Well, Christians and atheists and agnostics all getting along and making sense, we can't have that, can we. We have to have Preacher O'Donnell sitting in the punch bowl, eh.


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  • #127
    PopePalpatine
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    I swear I'm being reminded of some ex-Boardsie troll right now.


  • #128
    Ush1
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    I presume you must follow all the tenants and teachings of the Roman Catholic bible.


  • #129
    Hercule Poirot
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    DanielODonnell wrote: »
    You are only a Catholic if you attend mass, you are only a Christian if you attend service and live a Christian life.
    not all Catholics are real Christians

    atheists are just brainwashed people who cannot see the light

    Correct me if I'm wrong, and I may regret asking this, but does being a Catholic not make you a Christian by default?


  • #130
    Speedwell
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    Hercule Poirot wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, and I may regret asking this, but does being a Catholic not make you a Christian by default?

    The poster who ironically referenced Ian Paisley above meant to point out that some of the less attractive sorts of Protestant fundamentalists don't believe that to be the case.

    Having had a quick read through the threads started by your friend and mine Brother O'Donnell, I imagine he won't find the comparison terribly flattering.


  • #131
    Jayop
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    Hercule Poirot wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, and I may regret asking this, but does being a Catholic not make you a Christian by default?

    You just had to do it didn't you.... :rolleyes:

    :p


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  • #132
    Skylinehead
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    DanielODonnell wrote: »
    You are only a Catholic if you attend mass, you are only a Christian if you attend service and live a Christian life.
    not all Catholics are real Christians

    atheists are just brainwashed people who cannot see the light
    Mod: Don't post in this thread again.


  • #133
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,710 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think the number of people who'd say they've no religion in the census would increase if atheists were a less vocal in my experience they've a tendency to come across just as bad as a person trying to push religion in somebodies face.


  • #134
    Speedwell
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    freshpopcorn, please go pester a thread where atheists and Christians are at each other's throats. This is not that place.


  • #135
    P_1
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    PlainP wrote: »
    It becomes an issue when you have mammy and daddy filling in the form for the household.

    Mammy and daddy may still be practicing and they may still believe that dearest son/daughter is still practicing and therefore fill in the form that all in the household are catholic.

    I think this is where the fallacy arises and this may be the biggest hurdle in getting the numbers to match up.

    This is the problem. I've filled in my entry on every Census since 2006 and strongly urge everyone else to do the same. It's a count of the population, fill in your own particulars.


  • #136
    [Deleted User]
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    I'll be putting down no religion anyway. Never believed in any religion. I was baptised when I was 7 so I could get into a primary school here, want to put an end to that sort of thing!


  • #137
    Jayop
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    P_1 wrote: »
    This is the problem. I've filled in my entry on every Census since 2006 and strongly urge everyone else to do the same. It's a count of the population, fill in your own particulars.

    What age were you in 2006?

    Should I allow a 13/14 y/o to do it? What about an 8 y/o?


  • #138
    Speedwell
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    Jayop wrote: »
    What age were you in 2006?

    Should I allow a 13/14 y/o to do it? What about an 8 y/o?

    You could ask them, if you thought you'd get a non-evasive, truthful answer. I know plenty of people who kept their disbelief in God to themselves when they were that age. I was one of them. Unbeknownst to me, my own father, a church elder, was an agnostic (he described himself as a "Spinozan", lol), and with the exception of my mother, a devout Christian, her entire family was secular Jewish. I just thought I was weird and I would never have spoken about it to my parents.


  • #139
    Jayop
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    Speedwell wrote: »
    You could ask them, if you thought you'd get a non-evasive, truthful answer. I know plenty of people who kept their disbelief in God to themselves when they were that age. I was one of them. Unbeknownst to me, my own father, a church elder, was an agnostic (he described himself as a "Spinozan", lol), and with the exception of my mother, a devout Christian, her entire family was secular Jewish. I just thought I was weird and I would never have spoken about it to my parents.

    Well the young buck is doing his communion in May so I might choose not to rock that boat at this particular time. The older one I could ask.


  • #140
    wnolan1992
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    Jayop wrote: »
    What age were you in 2006?

    Should I allow a 13/14 y/o to do it? What about an 8 y/o?

    13/14 y/o, yes, with supervision.

    8 y/o, probably not, but I'd involve them in the process (as opposed to just filling everything out and not even telling them a census was going on).

    I was 13/14 in '06, filled out Census myself specifically so I could tick "No Religion" (I was one of those annoying atheists in those days *shudder*)


  • #141
    iDave
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    Will tick No Religion as it best describes me and my beliefs or lack of. It's an honest answer to a question asked by the state. Sorry in advance if that comes across as if I'm as bad as pushy religious types.


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  • #142
    Jayop
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    iDave wrote: »
    Will tick No Religion as it best describes me and my beliefs or lack of. It's an honest answer to a question asked by the state. Sorry in advance if that comes across as if I'm as bad as pushy religious types.

    How would you saying what you and you alone come across as pushy?


  • #143
    Speedwell
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    Jayop wrote: »
    How would you saying what you and you alone come across as pushy?

    This comic sprung to mind when I read iDave's post: http://the-militant-atheist.org/images/atheism1.jpg


  • #144
    Manach
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    Semper Fidelis.


  • #145
    P_1
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    Jayop wrote: »
    What age were you in 2006?

    Should I allow a 13/14 y/o to do it? What about an 8 y/o?

    19, Can't recall if I filled in 2001 or indeed if there was a census taken that year. If there was it is likely that I filled in my own entry that year too.

    IMO once you are capable of writing you should fill in your own return (albeit supervised in the case of younger children).


  • #146
    beach_walker
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    iDave wrote: »
    Sorry in advance if that comes across as if I'm as bad as pushy religious types.

    Err ok, seems like you've got a bit of a chip there! Who's said anything of the sort?


  • #147
    iDave
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    beach_walker wrote: »
    Err ok, seems like you've got a bit of a chip there! Who's said anything of the sort?

    Freshpopcorn


  • #148
    One eyed Jack
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    kneemos wrote: »
    For the purposes of the Census are you still a Catholic even if you don't practice or believe in it?
    There's a definite vagueness regarding that particular question I'd have thought.


    There's nobody else can answer that question for you in fairness. If you identify yourself as Catholic, who is anyone else to say you are or you aren't?


  • #149
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    There's nobody else can answer that question for you in fairness. If you identify yourself as Catholic, who is anyone else to say you are or you aren't?

    Tried to post about this earlier but lost, anyway this topic has come up a few times before, and its weird how progressive people who normally all for people being able to self identify as whatever they want take a completely different view when it comes to Catholicism.

    If you've been baptised and you think your Catholic both you and the Church (and if you fill in the census the government) think your Catholic, you might be a really sh-t Catholic but it doesn't change anything.


  • #150
    _Xavi_
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    There should be the question "Do you believe in any Gods?"


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  • #151
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    13/14 y/o, yes, with supervision.

    8 y/o, probably not, but I'd involve them in the process (as opposed to just filling everything out and not even telling them a census was going on).

    I was 13/14 in '06, filled out Census myself specifically so I could tick "No Religion" (I was one of those annoying atheists in those days *shudder*)

    The census form is supposed to be completed by the head of the household, who must also sign a declaration that he/she has supplied correct information. Individual children in the house are not permitted to complete portions of the form.


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