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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #1382
    Gamebred
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    Oregano_State wrote: »
    I'd say he will open as the underdog, but then when the build-up starts all the ****-talking will get people to back him into roughly even with Nate. Just before the fight I would expect doubts to creep in and Nate to end up as a slight favourite.

    Very similar to the Aldo odds I would imagine.



    He is already short priced favourite 8/13 to beat Diaz.


  • #1383
    Devastator
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    https://streamable.com/n9nt


    Ah lads


    As a McGregor fan who was in the audience, the most depressing thing about that video of McG losing his 1st UFC fight is coldplay


  • #1384
    JustTheOne
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    sonofenoch wrote: »
    **** he looks embarrassed....the look he gave Ido a couple times :D will he be dispensed with

    What because he lost he suddenly realises how idiotic it was and throws Ido under the bus?

    I don't think so. If he blames him and only realised it when he lost then he is the fool.


  • #1385
    Deadst4r
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    I don't like Ido, seems like a tool, but...

    He is in Conors camp for at most 2 weeks. ie, when they are winding down. He is not apart of the main camp. He is there to help Conor relax before the fight, get his confidence up, make him feel loose. (this sounds wrong :))

    Fair enough, this time, 2 weeks out Conors opponent was changed and he should have been studying tapes of Nate etc. But there is obviously a couple of hours spare for some movement training, it's not like he would be doing hard sparring anyway.

    Everyone was saying how great movement training was after 194 and now everyone thinks its a waste of time. Bizarre.

    But yes, I don't know why he is in his corner. Maybe it's just a deal they have.


  • #1386
    newbbieb
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    Gamebred wrote: »
    He is already short priced favourite 8/13 to beat Diaz.

    I picked Nate to win that first fight but imo Conor being favourite if the fight is at 170 like the rumours suggest is crazy.

    Possibly the delay in announcing it is Dana trying to force Conor to fight at 55,if the fight was at 55 i would definitely favour Conor in the rematch and them odds would be pretty fair,but at 170 i don't believe he has any hope of beating a Nate with a couple months to prepare for a fight at 170,he would be able to come in substantially bigger than Conor and it wouldn't even be close..


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  • #1387
    TimRiggins
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    Its hard to pick who'll win when we don't know if the fight will be 3 or 5 rounds.

    IMO, 3 Rounds favours Conor, 5 favours Nate.


  • #1388
    Lukker-
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    The fight being at 155 or 170 won't make any difference in the outcome of the fight. JK said as much on the MMA hour.

    Diaz is a light weight, he's not going to bulk up for one fight with Conor at WW. Just means neither fighter will have to cut significant weight.

    I don't get why so many posters think the fight will have a different outcome or Conor will have more power if the fight is at 155.


  • #1389
    Devastator
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    Deadst4r wrote: »
    He is in Conors camp for at most 2 weeks. ie, when they are winding down. He is not apart of the main camp. He is there to help Conor relax before the fight, get his confidence up, make him feel loose. (this sounds wrong :))

    make him feel flowy?

    Hows that work for ya? :D


  • #1390
    Gamebred
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    It will make a difference if Diaz bulks and then does a cut down to 170 while mcgregors natural weight is 168,that is a world of difference.


  • #1391
    Deadst4r
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    Devastator wrote: »
    make him feel flowy?

    Hows that work for ya? :D

    ...Damn it.

    Exactly. :pac:


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  • #1392
    sonofenoch
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    What because he lost he suddenly realises how idiotic it was and throws Ido under the bus?

    I don't think so. If he blames him and only realised it when he lost then he is the fool.

    I dunno maybe he was having flashbacks of what Diaz said....or he was so dazed on his feet and looked at a guy he never had in his corner before and thought 'who the fuk are you'......it was either of them looks


  • #1393
    JustTheOne
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    sonofenoch wrote: »
    I dunno maybe he was having flashbacks of what Diaz said....or he was so dazed on his feet and looked at a guy he never had in his corner before and thought 'who the fuk are you'......it was either of them looks

    I did see him looking at him with a bemused look in fairness.

    But it all his idea so he only has himself to blame.


  • #1394
    Devastator
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    Lukker- wrote: »

    I don't get why so many posters think the fight will have a different outcome or Conor will have more power if the fight is at 155.


    Making the fight at 155 could help in the fight prepartion and mentality leading into the fight. I hadn't considered this before but I was listening to mma houur from 2 weeks with Rashad Evans earlier. Evans says he predicted(& bet on) a Diaz upset. He said part of his reasoning was because McGregor didn't have a weight cut, therefore breaking his usual routine leading upto and including fight week. So maybe having a weight cut helps him concentrate and focus his mind into the fight.


  • #1395
    Gamebred
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    Yep I think 155 is going to be his weight for the next few years so why not stay there,begin now by cutting to 155 properly to get used to it,170 isnt his weight its simple as that this whole no weight cut is rubbish from Kavanagh,just because hes had no weight cut doesnt mean Diaz wont,


    I notice he hasnt been posting much training stuff on his fb or twitter anyone know if hes been back at it much?


  • #1396
    darced
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  • #1397
    CatFromHue
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    Devastator wrote: »
    As a McGregor fan who was in the audience, the most depressing thing about that video of McG losing his 1st UFC fight is coldplay

    whatever about coldplay that choice of song is terrible.


  • #1398
    JustTheOne
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    Devastator wrote: »
    Making the fight at 155 could help in the fight prepartion and mentality leading into the fight. I hadn't considered this before but I was listening to mma houur from 2 weeks with Rashad Evans earlier. Evans says he predicted(& bet on) a Diaz upset. He said part of his reasoning was because McGregor didn't have a weight cut, therefore breaking his usual routine leading upto and including fight week. So maybe having a weight cut helps him concentrate and focus his mind into the fight.

    He did say before that running on am empty and hungry stomach during the weight cut helped him focus and become more determined.


  • #1399
    newbbieb
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Regardless of who thinks what difference it makes on the outcome of the fight,making the fight at 55 makes so much more sense for everyone.

    They could make it a title eliminator with the winner getting the RDA fight or at least it would make it a relevant 55 championship fight with title implications,fighting again at 170 makes it a bit of a farce and makes it a less relevant fight.


  • #1400
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    How in gods name is Conor heavy favorite to win the rematch on Paddy Power?


  • #1401
    martyos121
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How in gods name is Conor heavy favorite to win the rematch on Paddy Power?

    Hype, my good man. Hype.

    The rematch is 50/50 in my book, so many variables in it (energy issues, weight cut, gameplan, Conor's ground game etc.) and I just can't call it.


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  • #1402
    Foxtrol
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    The fight being at 155 or 170 won't make any difference in the outcome of the fight. JK said as much on the MMA hour.

    Diaz is a light weight, he's not going to bulk up for one fight with Conor at WW. Just means neither fighter will have to cut significant weight.

    I don't get why so many posters think the fight will have a different outcome or Conor will have more power if the fight is at 155.

    He said it wouldn’t have made a difference in the last fight, not that it would never make a difference period. Conor fought so stupidly and recklessly that gassing 2 minutes into the second round he was going to lose that fight at whatever weightclass.

    Diaz is a Lightweight as much as Conor is a Featherweight. Diaz will 100% come in heavier if he knows in advance that they are fighting at WW, while also having the physical benefits of not stressing his body with a weightcut. He has spoken previously about potential fights to WW and stated how he planned to get bigger if he was fighting there again.

    There’s no reason aside from pride for Conor to take this at WW, I can’t think of one positive to doing so for him.


  • #1403
    eurokev
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    I knew he was gassed in the fight, but that video really shows how knackered he really was. Not able to catch his breath for a few mins and his legs all over the place. I know he was rocked, but that is not from punches. He looks like someone on the verge of throwing up after a hard training session.

    He was definitely I'll during fight week too, he just didn't look right.

    Not saying he would have beaten Diaz, but I'm really looking forward to seeing a full camp Diaz fight a full healthy MCG at 55. It's gonna be unreal. Conor at 55 ala the buchinger fight looks amazing


  • #1404
    Lukker-
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    He said it wouldn’t have made a difference in the last fight, not that it would never make a difference period. Conor fought so stupidly and recklessly that gassing 2 minutes into the second round he was going to lose that fight at whatever weightclass.

    Diaz is a Lightweight as much as Conor is a Featherweight. Diaz will 100% come in heavier if he knows in advance that they are fighting at WW, while also having the physical benefits of not stressing his body with a weightcut. He has spoken previously about potential fights to WW and stated how he planned to get bigger if he was fighting there again.

    There’s no reason aside from pride for Conor to take this at WW, I can’t think of one positive to doing so for him.

    Conor has a considerably worse cut for FW. When Nate failed to make weight it was unprofessionalism on his part. He's tall, a giant for the division in fact but hes very lean and doesn't have much muscle mass.

    He told Dana before getting the Conor fight that he was bulking up so he could get the GSP fight because he wanted to get paid.

    Dana asked him if he'd have trouble losing the weight considering that he'd been bulking and Nate just said he was lying about it to get the fight and that he was only 175.

    He'll didn't bulk up for his last fight at welterweight so why would be now? The winner is likely to get a shot at RDA a few months after so there is no way I see him changing his body composition. He has said multiple times recently that WW is Nicks division.


  • #1405
    RedemptionZ
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    He said it wouldn’t have made a difference in the last fight, not that it would never make a difference period. Conor fought so stupidly and recklessly that gassing 2 minutes into the second round he was going to lose that fight at whatever weightclass.

    Diaz is a Lightweight as much as Conor is a Featherweight. Diaz will 100% come in heavier if he knows in advance that they are fighting at WW, while also having the physical benefits of not stressing his body with a weightcut. He has spoken previously about potential fights to WW and stated how he planned to get bigger if he was fighting there again.

    There’s no reason aside from pride for Conor to take this at WW, I can’t think of one positive to doing so for him.

    Saying Diaz is a LW as much as Conor is a FW is implying Nate is a natural WW which is not true. Nate got absolutely bullied by Rory MacDonald when they fought and they're the same height I think, Nate may be taller. Height doesn't equate to weight class. He may be a bigger man than Conor but that doesn't mean he's not a LW. He won't be putting on a load of muscle because he's not a WW and it'll just hurt his cardio and he'll have to lose it after the fight too.


  • #1406
    Foxtrol
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    Lukker- wrote: »
    Conor has a considerably worse cut for FW. When Nate failed to make weight it was unprofessionalism on his part. He's tall, a giant for the division in fact but hes very lean and doesn't have much muscle mass.

    He told Dana before getting the Conor fight that he was bulking up so he could get the GSP fight because he wanted to get paid.

    Dana asked him if he'd have trouble losing the weight considering that he'd been bulking and Nate just said he was lying about it to get the fight and that he was only 175.

    He'll didn't bulk up for his last fight at welterweight so why would be now? The winner is likely to get a shot at RDA a few months after so there is no way I see him changing his body composition. He has said multiple times recently that WW is Nicks division.

    Considerably worse is in the eye of the beholder. Conor has never missed weight whereas Nate has more than once, Conor does minimal complaining about the cut whereas Diaz is on the record numerous times about how much he hates his.

    It’s not about changing his body composition massively. Fighting at 170 he can put on a slight bit more muscle, eat what he wants, and not put his body through shrinking to make the lower weightclass.

    I really don’t understand how posters can continuously make a big deal about Conor’s cut and then completely ignore it for Nate. We’ve seen the two of them in the ring together and the size difference was clear.

    Are you trying to say that they’re the same size or that cutting has no drawbacks for fighters?


  • #1407
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    The idea of Nate bulking and cutting for a WW fight is a falacy that people are putting out there good and early as an excuse in case he mollywops conor again. He'll go into camp as he is now and have a small cut rather than dieting down 10lbs and cutting to 155.

    He'sa natural LW, he walks around between 170 and 175, he gets down to the mid 160's in camp and then cuts about 10lbs. If he was a natural WW he'd be walking around at over 190, and he's not. He's tall but he's long and lanky, not built like Hector Lombard.

    He won't bulk and cut for the very reasons other have already said, he want to fight at LW, he wants a rematch with RDA and he knows he has no hope of ever getting a title shot at 170, he's already tried that division and got schooled by people who although the same height as him, were just bigger men.


  • #1408
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Considerably worse is in the eye of the beholder. Conor has never missed weight whereas Nate has more than once, Conor does minimal complaining about the cut whereas Diaz is on the record numerous times about how much he hates his.

    Conor's head coach is on record as saying he doesn't like Conor cutting to 145 because it's leaving him close to death and he doesn't want him hurting himself.


  • #1409
    Devastator
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Conor's head coach is on record as saying he doesn't like Conor cutting to 145 because it's leaving him close to death and he doesn't want him hurting himself.


    That was before 196 though right? Didn't he say after 196 he thought a defence at 145 was most likely the next fight?


    Also for 194 they had some new nutritionist in the camp and said it was the easiest cut he had in some time


  • #1410
    Lukker-
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Considerably worse is in the eye of the beholder. Conor has never missed weight whereas Nate has more than once, Conor does minimal complaining about the cut whereas Diaz is on the record numerous times about how much he hates his.

    It’s not about changing his body composition massively. Fighting at 170 he can put on a slight bit more muscle, eat what he wants, and not put his body through shrinking to make the lower weightclass.

    I really don’t understand how posters can continuously make a big deal about Conor’s cut and then completely ignore it for Nate. We’ve seen the two of them in the ring together and the size difference was clear.

    Are you trying to say that they’re the same size or that cutting has no drawbacks for fighters?

    The size difference was mainly height, Conor was the bulkier of the 2. Nate has missed weight twice, once when he was injured mid camp and once when he openly said he wasn't bothered because he gets paid so little.

    Nate on the scales vs Michael Jonhson at 155

    nate-diaz-ufc-on-fox-17.jpg?w=1000

    Huge difference between him and Conor. You can see every muscle fiber when Conor cuts. Nate didn't look too different in the cage versus Johnson as he did on the scales.

    You are way over-estimating Nate's cut. He came in at 169 against Conor, why would he cut 2 extra pounds when he could've made it 171 because it was a non title fight?

    Nate was no more then 7/8 pounds heavier in the cage. People on this forum have a tendency to over-estimate weight IMO.


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  • #1411
    Foxtrol
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Saying Diaz is a LW as much as Conor is a FW is implying Nate is a natural WW which is not true. Nate got absolutely bullied by Rory MacDonald when they fought and they're the same height I think, Nate may be taller. Height doesn't equate to weight class. He may be a bigger man than Conor but that doesn't mean he's not a LW. He won't be putting on a load of muscle because he's not a WW and it'll just hurt his cardio and he'll have to lose it after the fight too.

    No, it’s implying that Conor cuts a lot to make FW and would be a small to medium sized LW and Diaz cuts a lot to make LW and would be a small to medium sized WW.

    Could Conor get absolutely bullied in grappling by the likes of Khabib at LW? Would that make him no longer a natural LW?


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