Cork GAA Discussion Thread

commonsense. · 23-03-2016 02:48PM

Pat Mulcahy's piece from yesterdays Examiner and CCB retort below. I know who's side I'm on.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/pat-mulcahy-cork-facilities-a-disgrace-388780.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cork-administrator-defends-facilities-as-county-teams-get-95-of-what-they-want-388973.html

CORKDOUBLE · 23-03-2016 02:50PM

Lads where is TTM lets face his knowledge of all things Cork GAA and GAA in general was unreal ...please come back we could do with you !

Pos087 · 23-03-2016 05:19PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Lads where is TTM lets face his knowledge of all things Cork GAA and GAA in general was unreal ...please come back we could do with you !

So true and I miss the arguing.

clerk · 23-03-2016 05:21PM

Pat Mulcahy knows his stuff and has a point and of course is as entitled (if not more entitled) to have his opinion as anyone else.

Of course the CCB couldn't let it go, as any criticism is always taken in the worst possible way and they had to release a statement and what wonderful statements they're provided us with in the last few Years.

Cork should have a centre of excellence, it's as simple as that.

Corcaigh Abu1 · 24-03-2016 10:18PM

Pos087 wrote: »

So true and I miss the arguing.

I'd love to know what ttm is thinking now as its a mixed bag of players he was advocating /against playing now. EG. john Cronin, Haughney, Lawton, Burke etc.

Cork conceded 9 118 over the five games in the league.. That's simply astonishing for a county of our tradition.

Pos087 · 24-03-2016 11:12PM

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

I'd love to know what ttm is thinking now as its a mixed bag of players he was advocating /against playing now. EG. john Cronin, Haughney, Lawton, Burke etc.

Cork conceded 9 118 over the five games in the league.. That's simply astonishing for a county of our tradition.

He might of been right that this players deserve a shot but the fact that they are not good enough either is clear to see.

IMO the problem with cork hurling goes back to the underage set up. I differ from Donal og though in that he puts all the blame on the CCB I think the clubs and the standard of training underage is miles behind I am involved with an under 10s team and from what I see most clubs at training send the young fellas out all with their own slitor and they have a puck around. From watching clubs from Waterford during the summer they are miles ahead with touch, fielding, winning the ball and use of position. This can be seen by our county champs haven't got past first round in Munster in 4 years. The game has moved on from corks traditional game of spead and small wristie hurlers. Hurling is now won by the team who wins most position and can tackle properly. Which brings me on to my other point. We do not know how to tackle. I was in thurlus last week and the amount of time tipp players walked through us in midfield was shocking. They faked right and went left about 15 time and had an acre infront of them. Any one else have ideas to our down fall.

clerk · 24-03-2016 11:35PM

Pos087 wrote: »

Any one else have ideas to our down fall.

Hurling falling to pieces in the City or being allowed to fall to pieces in the City. Some great work being put in now underage but it has created a huge void in Cork inter County hurling.

Competition with rugby now is massive in Cork City, that simply wasn't there 20 Years ago. Sweetnam for example could have been a massive player for the Cork hurlers but now he is starting to break into the Munster team.

The fact is a lot of the parents l talk to want their kids to play for Munster, a lot of the previous generation wanted to win All-Ireland's with Cork. lt's not just Cork it's Nation wide, rugby is booming in Connacht and some of the players are the kids of former All-Ireland winners, Rugby is taking off in a serious way in Thurles, even Killarney, it's winning the battle for the hearts and minds to a huge extent.

Ridiculous arrogance and time wrap attitudes of the powers that be in Cork City that were ultimately built on sandcastles in the air. We're miles behind Dublin now in terms of resources put into development officers. Caught in a time wrap of playing for the jersey. Play for the jersey yes, but why should you be out of pocket. Times have moved on. Reading Ward's autobiography at the moment and the same time wrap amateurism was in rugby not so long ago. The CCB needs to move with the times. The manager of Cork hurlers/footballer needs to be re-imbursed for the ridiculous efforts involved. Players should be given 'out of pocket' expenses.

No centre of excellence. I would be quite happy to downsize P ui C if it meant a centre of excellence and resource for development officers.

It's sad really, l've been banging on for Years about it. I love the hurling but the results speak for themselves over the last decade and it will be another decade the way things are going. When we're going to get our centre of excellence is a total farce. Surreal really.

Pos087 · 24-03-2016 11:56PM

Good point about rugby, soccer also in the city has taken over in the past 20 year prob since italia 90 the argument against this is its in ever county.

The glen winning hurling should benifit the north side if the Rockies got their stuff together would be a good thing. From what I hear nothing coming through at SARS or the bars. the Celtic tiger grew satellite towns which is after giving clubs like carrigaline Middleton mallow etc huge underage numbers these clubs need big investment with training as a lot wouldn't have ex all ireland winners to handy to train like the old power houses had when they were successfull.

CORKDOUBLE · 25-03-2016 12:30AM

Every game now we play teams can nearly score 50 times against us this is mad unreal 2-22 average score against us in the league so far ...the football is no different teams can score at least 20 scores against us 2-15 the average score against the footballers this year whats gone wrong with our teams cant win underage or club or schools championships anymore either ...we are gone so soft ..the killing thing is in both codes we have some fantastic talent as good as there is in the country ...unless we get a cutting edge to our play we can forget it and another shocking year of losses is in store ...REBELS wakeup.

Orizio · 25-03-2016 02:03AM

Pos087 wrote: »

He might of been right that this players deserve a shot but the fact that they are not good enough either is clear to see.

Most of those players haven't played more than two games yet.

lim4ev · 25-03-2016 02:30AM

clerk wrote: »

Hurling falling to pieces in the City or being allowed to fall to pieces in the City. Some great work being put in now underage but it has created a huge void in Cork inter County hurling.

Competition with rugby now is massive in Cork City, that simply wasn't there 20 Years ago. Sweetnam for example could have been a massive player for the Cork hurlers but now he is starting to break into the Munster team.

The fact is a lot of the parents l talk to want their kids to play for Munster, a lot of the previous generation wanted to win All-Ireland's with Cork. lt's not just Cork it's Nation wide, rugby is booming in Connacht and some of the players are the kids of former All-Ireland winners, Rugby is taking off in a serious way in Thurles, even Killarney, it's winning the battle for the hearts and minds to a huge extent.

WelcomGo on Skypee to a gaa Limerick mans world
Ridiculous arrogance and time wrap attitudes of the powers that be in Cork City that were ultimately built on sandcastles in the air. We're miles behind Dublin now in terms of resources put into development officers. Caught in a time wrap of playing for the jersey. Play for the jersey yes, but why should you be out of pocket. Times have moved on. Reading Ward's autobiography at the moment and the same time wrap amateurism was in rugby not so long ago. The CCB needs to move with the times. The manager of Cork hurlers/footballer needs to be re-imbursed for the ridiculous efforts involved. Players should be given 'out of pocket' expenses.

No centre of excellence. I would be quite happy to downsize P ui C if it meant a centre of excellence and resource for development officers.

It's sad really, l've been banging on for Years about it. I love the hurling but the results speak for themselves over the last decade and it will be another decade the way things are going. When we're going to get our centre of excellence is a total farce. Surreal really.

Welcome to a gaa Limerick mans world

seventh7 · 25-03-2016 11:33AM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Every game now we play teams can nearly score 50 times against us this is mad unreal 2-22 average score against us in the league so far ...the football is no different teams can score at least 20 scores against us 2-15 the average score against the footballers this year whats gone wrong with our teams cant win underage or club or schools championships anymore either ...we are gone so soft ..the killing thing is in both codes we have some fantastic talent as good as there is in the country ...unless we get a cutting edge to our play we can forget it and another shocking year of losses is in store ...REBELS wakeup.

Cork hurling is clinging on ideas and ideals from the past its a form of blindness to the reality of the changes in the modern game.
Unlike other games hurling requires a distinct physicality and highly honed instincts. Perceptions of space and the ability to use that space are paramount to success in the modern game. Possession and the use of that possession is key. Cork has always been able to produce exceptional players but in recent years there would appear to be a drought. We can’t tackle, we can’t win the ball consistently and our marquee forwards live of scraps.
Cork hurling needs a vision or a mission statement.
Exceptional teams need exceptional coaches and in Cork we have grafters and very willing guys to take on the challenges but we do not have exceptional coaches. We need to look outside the box perhaps outside the county and find that coach. Why not. What have we got to lose we are going nowhere fast.
We entrust our minor teams our player nurseries to coaches who have had no tangible success year after year and expect results. In panic we enlist the help of past players and hope they will add the missing ingredient. Our summer will be hopeful and nothing more. We are quite simply not at the races in any grade. I have seen hundreds training sessions including a very large amount of development squad sessions over the last four years and I have never seen a Cork mentor or coach show a player how to tackle or how to maintain correct body position when trying to win dirty ball in any grade. We are unable to win first phase possession which is so vital in the modern game. It has been our downfall and will continue to do so until we address the issue.
We also have a fixation with lightweight players, I believe Jimmy Barry Murphy believed he needed greyhounds but in truth we need a cross with a pit-bull. We are physically soft we can raise the intensity for once off game but we can’t sustain the effort over the long term. We need to select horses for courses and we don’t. We need to nurture the kids with fire in their bellies and bring them through. We don’t. We select the dandies and the dancers when we need warriors. If we had a few Niall Mac’s we would be in a lot better place. I could name four or five that have huge future potential but have been ignored as they don’t fit the current mould. Moulds change and so do ideas. We need very quickly a change of ideas and we need to break the mould.

commonsense. · 25-03-2016 01:29PM

seventh7 wrote: »

Cork hurling is clinging on ideas and ideals from the past its a form of blindness to the reality of the changes in the modern game.
Unlike other games hurling requires a distinct physicality and highly honed instincts. Perceptions of space and the ability to use that space are paramount to success in the modern game. Possession and the use of that possession is key. Cork has always been able to produce exceptional players but in recent years there would appear to be a drought. We can’t tackle, we can’t win the ball consistently and our marquee forwards live of scraps.
Cork hurling needs a vision or a mission statement.
Exceptional teams need exceptional coaches and in Cork we have grafters and very willing guys to take on the challenges but we do not have exceptional coaches. We need to look outside the box perhaps outside the county and find that coach. Why not. What have we got to lose we are going nowhere fast.
We entrust our minor teams our player nurseries to coaches who have had no tangible success year after year and expect results. In panic we enlist the help of past players and hope they will add the missing ingredient. Our summer will be hopeful and nothing more. We are quite simply not at the races in any grade. I have seen hundreds training sessions including a very large amount of development squad sessions over the last four years and I have never seen a Cork mentor or coach show a player how to tackle or how to maintain correct body position when trying to win dirty ball in any grade. We are unable to win first phase possession which is so vital in the modern game. It has been our downfall and will continue to do so until we address the issue.
We also have a fixation with lightweight players, I believe Jimmy Barry Murphy believed he needed greyhounds but in truth we need a cross with a pit-bull. We are physically soft we can raise the intensity for once off game but we can’t sustain the effort over the long term. We need to select horses for courses and we don’t. We need to nurture the kids with fire in their bellies and bring them through. We don’t. We select the dandies and the dancers when we need warriors. If we had a few Niall Mac’s we would be in a lot better place. I could name four or five that have huge future potential but have been ignored as they don’t fit the current mould. Moulds change and so do ideas. We need very quickly a change of ideas and we need to break the mould.

Very interesting piece. I agree with lot of what you say. Certainly we are clinging to the past - and it's as clear as day that what worked in the hurling past won't work today.
Cork isn't producing exceptional players at the moment.
But why should that be??????
Three words - lack of investment. To over simplify it we need more GDAs. This will mean better coaching expertise available to clubs and crucially in the schools, both primary and secondary (my club recently asked their GDA to help out in one of the schools in the parish. The GDA confirmed he would be able to attend that school 1 day this year).
I don't think we have a fixation with small skilful hurlers to the exclusion of the bigger stronger guy. I keep saying it but the type of hurler we are churning out today is the result of the coaching system they have been exposed to from the first day they go to their club. 10 years of inferior coaching relative to what KK are doing means that player struggles when he has to compete with the best of his peers from minor level up (and I don't mean to be critical of any volunteer coaches right throughout the county - I am one of those coaches).
We have bigger playing numbers than any county bar Dublin (and look at the hurling strides they have made with appropriate investment and proper structures).
If The CCB hadn't taken their eye off the sliotar starting about 15 years ago we would still be featuring in the roll of honours every year or so at some level.

zetecescort · 25-03-2016 10:13PM

The Cork Senior Football team for Sunday Allianz Football League game v Down in Pairc Ui Rinn @ 2pm has been announced as follows:

1. Ryan Price (O Donovan Rossa)
2. Colm O Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Kevin Crowley (Millstreet)
5. Tom Clancy (Fermoy)
6. Jamie O Sullivan (Bishopstown)
7. Brian O Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
8. Kevin O Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
9. Ian Maguire (St Finbarr's)
10. Sean Kiely (Ballincollig)
11. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
12. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
13. Colm O Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Peter Kelleher (Kilmichael)
15. Luke Connolly (Nemo Rangers)

Subs: To be finalised by lunch time tomorrow

North Cork Star · 26-03-2016 04:32PM

Well done to Mitchelstown CBS today who won the Senior B Schools Football All Ireland Final against St. Mary's, Warrenpoint, Co. Down! The scoreline in Newbridge read 0-11 to 1-7.

rebel girl 15 · 27-03-2016 02:13PM

I read the pieces about the hurlers and footballers having no pitch to train on - in this day and age, are the county board serious?? Going cap in hand to clubs to sort them out is madness!

From Pat Muls piece "And Cork didn’t train on pitches before they started the league — they had nowhere to train. I spoke to Kieran Kingston about this and they were using the fourth pitch in Mallow. So they had nothing done, which is a disgrace, from a facilities perspective"

From the interview with Eoin O Neill - "The weather was a major issue for us at the start of the year in getting access to pitches. At the end of the day, we are very grateful to the clubs that supported us. We had to go cap in hand to a lot of clubs last minute,” O’Neill admitted"

Can anyone explain why the likes of UCC's The Farm and CIT, where afaik Cork have trained before were not looked for? That CCB response is absolute rubbish!! A selector and a man close to the hurling set up wouldn't go to the papers very easily like that unless there was a problem - the entire board would want to have their heads checked with what is going on. There are times when talking to someone about GAA that I'm nearly ashamed to say I'm from Cork with the rubbish going on

Orizio · 27-03-2016 02:32PM

The Cork Minor Hurlers begin their championship campaign on Wednesday 6th April against Waterford in Walsh Park, Waterford.

The Minor Hurling Management have presently a extended panel training in preparation for the upcoming championship games. The panel for the championship will be finalised shortly.
Electric Ireland Munster GAA Minor Hurling Championships 2016

Electric Ireland Munster GAA Minor Hurling Championship Cork v Waterford on Wednesday April 6th in Walsh Park, Waterford at 6:30pm. Referee: Philip Kelly (Clare).

Cork Minor Hurling Training Panel includes -

Barry Kenneally (Cuchulanns)
Ben Keohane (Ballincollig)
Brian Buckley (Shandrum)
Brian Turnbull (Douglas)
Cian O'Mahony (Ballinhassig)
Craig Hannafin (Na Piarsaigh)
Danny Gunning (Na Piarsaigh)
Darragh Guiney (Shandrum)
Eoghan Clifford (Cloughdubh)
Eoghan O'Leary (Sliabh Rua)
Eoin Moloney (Midleton)
Evan Sheehan (Na Piarsaigh)
Ger Collins (Ballinhassig)
Jamie O'Leary (Castlelyons)
Jeremy Saich (Kilworth)
John Geary (Shandrum)
John Cooper (Eire Og)
John O'Sullivan (Blackrock)
Josh Beausang (St Colmans)
Keith O'Leary (Castlelyons)
Kevin Murphy (Killeagh/Itas)
Liam Healy (Sarsfields) vice captain
Liam O'Shea (Lisgoold)
Mathew Bradley (Aghbullogue)
Niall O'Leary (Castlelyons) captain
Paul Lyons (Mallow)
Robert Bourke (Ballincollig)
Robert Downey (Glen Rovers)
Ross Howell (Douglas)
Ryan Walsh (Cuchulanns)
Sean O'Leary Hayes (Midleton)
Stephen Condon (Glanworth)
Tadgh Deasy (Blackrock)

Not considered due to injury

David Jones (Shandrum)
Diarmuid Linehan (Ballyhooly)
James Keating (Kildorrery )

zetecescort · 27-03-2016 02:41PM

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I read the pieces about the hurlers and footballers having no pitch to train on - in this day and age, are the county board serious?? Going cap in hand to clubs to sort them out is madness!

From Pat Muls piece "And Cork didn’t train on pitches before they started the league — they had nowhere to train. I spoke to Kieran Kingston about this and they were using the fourth pitch in Mallow. So they had nothing done, which is a disgrace, from a facilities perspective"

From the interview with Eoin O Neill - "The weather was a major issue for us at the start of the year in getting access to pitches. At the end of the day, we are very grateful to the clubs that supported us. We had to go cap in hand to a lot of clubs last minute,” O’Neill admitted"

Can anyone explain why the likes of UCC's The Farm and CIT, where afaik Cork have trained before were not looked for? That CCB response is absolute rubbish!! A selector and a man close to the hurling set up wouldn't go to the papers very easily like that unless there was a problem - the entire board would want to have their heads checked with what is going on. There are times when talking to someone about GAA that I'm nearly ashamed to say I'm from Cork with the rubbish going on

and you know what the board are doing about it, 1 pitch down the Marina to cater for all Cork teams in both codes. you'd swear Cork was the only county to get rained on

zetecescort · 27-03-2016 03:39PM

Cork 12 Down 7 Fulltime

lukin · 28-03-2016 09:22PM

Real possibility that both the Cork footballers and hurlers will both be relegated on the same day this coming Sunday.

clerk · 28-03-2016 10:28PM

lukin wrote: »

Real possibility that both the Cork footballers and hurlers will both be relegated on the same day this coming Sunday.

As far as l know the footballers are safe.

It would need both Mayo (probable), Monaghan (possible), Kerry (probably) to win to get all 3 (Mayo/Monaghan/Cork) to 6 points but as far as l know it then goes to the head to heads and Cork have beaten both Mayo and Monaghan in this campaign so are safe.

More tellingly if they lose to Kerry they'll have come up short against the top 4 teams in the league.

windy shepard henderson · 29-03-2016 01:43AM

clerk wrote: »

As far as l know the footballers are safe.

It would need both Mayo (probable), Monaghan (possible), Kerry (probably) to win to get all 3 (Mayo/Monaghan/Cork) to 6 points but as far as l know it then goes to the head to heads and Cork have beaten both Mayo and Monaghan in this campaign so are safe.

More tellingly if they lose to Kerry they'll have come up short against the top 4 teams in the league.

points difference if 3 teams or more are level , only head to head if two teams are tied

lukin · 29-03-2016 08:23AM

clerk wrote: »

As far as l know the footballers are safe.

It would need both Mayo (probable), Monaghan (possible), Kerry (probably) to win to get all 3 (Mayo/Monaghan/Cork) to 6 points but as far as l know it then goes to the head to heads and Cork have beaten both Mayo and Monaghan in this campaign so are safe.

More tellingly if they lose to Kerry they'll have come up short against the top 4 teams in the league.

Are you sure it goes down to the head-to-head record if ourselves,Mayo and Monaghan finish level on points?I thought it goes down to scoring difference first and then head-to-head results?

DDC1990 · 29-03-2016 10:40AM

If Mayo, Monaghan and Kerry win then Cork go down, regardless of scores.

With Cork on -11 and the other two on -12 any win for Mayo and Monaghan combined with a loss for Cork would swing the points difference against Cork.

A win and ye could make the Semi Finals (if Donegal lose).

clerk · 29-03-2016 10:43AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

points difference if 3 teams or more are level , only head to head if two teams are tied

I stand corrected. Apologies.

Makes it interesting this Sunday so if Cork can put up a performance in Kerry.

clerk · 29-03-2016 10:43AM

lukin wrote: »

Are you sure it goes down to the head-to-head record if ourselves,Mayo and Monaghan finish level on points?I thought it goes down to scoring difference first and then head-to-head results?

Looks like I was wrong, apologies.

lukin · 29-03-2016 10:44AM

DDC1990 wrote: »

If Mayo, Monaghan and Kerry win then Cork go down, regardless of scores.

With Cork on -11 and the other two on -12 any win for Mayo and Monaghan combined with a loss for Cork would swing the points difference against Cork.

A win and ye could make the Semi Finals (if Donegal lose).

So I'm right; in the event all three finish level on points it doesn't go on head-to-head results;it's scoring average like goal difference in soccer?

lukin · 29-03-2016 10:48AM

clerk wrote: »

Looks like I was wrong, apologies.

No prob. I am still not sure if DDC1990 is correct however, I must look it up. I would obviously prefer if it goes by head-to-head results rather than scoring average in the event ourselves, Mayo and Monaghan finish level on points. We have beaten both of them but our goals and points conceded is massive.
Edit;DDC1990 is correct; head-to-head results don't come in to it. It's scoring average/difference so the hammering we got by Roscommon is looking costly now.

Boom__Boom · 29-03-2016 12:16PM

lukin wrote: »

Are you sure it goes down to the head-to-head record if ourselves,Mayo and Monaghan finish level on points?I thought it goes down to scoring difference first and then head-to-head results?

If 2 teams are level on points it's head-to-head, if 3 or more are on the same points then it's scoring difference.

The points scoring differences at the moment are

Dublin 12 +27
Roscommon 8 +25
Kerry 8 +27
Donegal 6 +13
Cork 6 -11
Mayo 4 -12
Monaghan 4 -12
Down 0 -57

Dublin v Roscommon is irrelevant in terms of relegation.

Mayo play Down and it's almost impossible to see Mayo not winning that (bookies have Mayo at 1/20 on) The way Down have played it's hard not to see Mayo improving their scoring difference a bit.

The worst Mayo's and Monaghan's score difference will be if they win is -11, while the best Cork's can be if they lose is -12 so it basically means assuming Mayo beat Down, Cork need to either win versus Kerry or have Monaghan not beat Donegal (a draw means Monaghan will be relegated) to survive.

Basically if 3 or more sides end up on 6 points, [Mayo and Monaghan win and Cork lose] Cork will be be relegated, as while technically Donegal could be relegated on 6 points it would require a massive points swing between Donegal +13 and Cork -11.

lukin · 29-03-2016 12:19PM

Boom__Boom wrote: »

If 2 teams are level on points it's head-to-head, if 3 or more are on the same points then it's scoring difference.

Cheers that makes it a bit clearer.

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