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  • #1262
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    cowboyBuilder wrote: »
    Atheist ?

    Yes. And the bad type of egotistical atheist (there is nothing wrong with atheists before anyone thinks I am against them as not all share this 'I'm bigger than god and it gives me the right to kill' mentality ISIS and similar have). ISIS are the type who replace god with themselves and then build a huge cult around themselves. They are just glorified criminals who love killing people and making money out of world chaos. It would be easy to call ISIS satanic but I don't think they have much time for the devil either and think both god and the devil should be subservient to ISIS.


  • #1263
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Yes. And the bad type of egotistical atheist (there is nothing wrong with atheists before anyone thinks I am against them as not all share this 'I'm bigger than god and it gives me the right to kill' mentality ISIS and similar have). ISIS are the type who replace god with themselves and then build a huge cult around themselves. They are just glorified criminals who love killing people and making money out of world chaos. It would be easy to call ISIS satanic but I don't think they have much time for the devil either and think both god and the devil should be subservient to ISIS.

    I sort of half get this. Atheists using religious doctrine to achieve their aims?


  • #1264
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,061 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, not colonies. The lengths to which people go to in order to bend reality to their own agenda is sickening.

    What's you agenda?


    I'm sure you picture yourself standing here against people full of hatred.

    Well you're wrong.

    They're full of fear... and you know what, perhaps they are right to be afraid. Because the changes that this crisis will precipitate will be historic (and I don't use that word lightly) and they will be irrevocable and profound.
    Looking at the big picture, will that change be good or disastrous in the long term? Will it lead to our rise or will it lead to our fall? Because empires, societies and cultures do both, inevitably.

    Does the prospect of such outcomes even occur to you?

    If anybody stands here full of hatred it's you.

    You don't care about migrants, you don't care about those concerned about the impact for our society that accepting them will bring and you don't even care about being right. You just care about proving others wrong, but why?
    What is the end of this that you see exactly? I know what they see, the end of the certainties they know. But what do you see? What outcome from this do you hope to achieve? Would you even dare answer those questions?
    Can you even answer those questions? Or can you see no further then ending what they hope to preserve?

    You are Ephialtes.

    Society isn't lego. The pieces are not interchangeable. On the other hand Muslims are not uniform. We know that there are good ways and bad ways towards integration. But we also know that full integration can take between a few weeks and a few centuries, depending on which type of Muslims we are dealing with. Therefore we should proceed with caution and with a strong sense of protecting the sort of social climate that makes Europe so cool to begin with.

    That thing that makes us better than other places is not our tolerance, but is in fact the presumption of tolerance from all parties in a given social interaction and the full expectation of its reciprocity. Remove the expectation of reciprocity and it will not end well. Society is only coherent where there is near unanimity on the metavalues that enable all the apparent discord in our society. Our society is fractious but it works because the diversity of opinion is rooted in a common account of personhood and citizenship.

    That account, which has evolved from as far back as the Greeks, is not universally held. It might be the dominant account and maybe the most popular account, but there are billions who don't see the world in the same way.

    The consequences of destabilising this world view will be profound, especially when it comes to acceptable ways to disagree in society. We should be thinking very carefully about the consequences of our actions and we should remember that we have a duty to preserve our inheritance. All short term acts of compassion should be accompanied by an awareness of what we can not afford to lose and what we must in turn hand on to our children.
    Already the damage is apparent, we are increasingly in Europe living in a militarized surveillance society, as social cohesion and hegemony comes apart is that likely to get better or worse? All the hard won freedoms that our cultural evolution since the enlightenment are being eroded and will continue to be eroded, all so you can live in a fantasy of a multicultural paradise that is increasingly looking like everybody else’s version of hell.


  • #1265
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    galljga1 wrote: »
    No? What word would you use to describe a group of people of a particular type, nationality or race living together in a foreign place?
    Expats :pac:


  • #1266
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    conorhal wrote: »
    What's you agenda?


    I'm sure you picture yourself standing here against people full of hatred.

    Well you're wrong.

    They're full of fear... and you know what, perhaps they are right to be afraid. Because the changes that this crisis will precipitate will be historic (and I don't use that word lightly) and they will be irrevocable and profound.
    Looking at the big picture, will that change be good or disastrous in the long term? Will it lead to our rise or will it lead to our fall? Because empires, societies and cultures do both, inevitably.

    Does the prospect of such outcomes even occur to you?

    If anybody stands here full of hatred it's you.

    You don't care about migrants, you don't care about those concerned about the impact for our society that accepting them will bring and you don't even care about being right. You just care about proving others wrong, but why?
    What is the end of this that you see exactly? I know what they see, the end of the certainties they know. But what do you see? What outcome from this do you hope to achieve? Would you even dare answer those questions?
    Can you even answer those questions? Or can you see no further then ending what they hope to preserve?

    You are Ephialtes.

    Forgot about him, had to look him up.

    "This is Sparta"


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  • #1267
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    conorhal wrote: »
    You are Ephialtes.

    Society isn't lego.

    That's two new things I learned today.


  • #1268
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,839 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Am I the only one thinking why the resolution is so poor on the airport CCTVs?

    I have seen dash cams with better resolution.

    Surely all airports should have state of the art systems, giving crystal clear pictures?


  • #1269
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    conorhal wrote: »
    What relevence does it have, it's Irelands future of the current course is maintained. Perhaps you can dispute any of my assertions rtather then whining about them? I doubt it though.

    Well Ireland continues and will continue to take in refugees, if that makes you uncomfortable, you should start planning now to leave the country. I'm not sure where you'll all go but i'm sure you can set up a colony somewhere.

    What assertions though?
    Due to mass migration and the technological revolution you can sit in town in Europe surrounded largely by those of your own community, watch TV and get your news from home via satellite and the internet.

    How is this a bad thing? Irish people are doing exactly that same thing across the world. I have no idea how you managed to crowbar "due to mass migration" into that paragraph though.
    The constant influx of migrants keeps the ‘old country’ values alive

    Similar to the Irish in Boston, Sydney, Toronto...
    as does the fact that your bride imported from the old country to give her family an anchor migrant has also been raised in that country. Your Imam is more likely from Pakistan then from Brixton, as are his values and thus your mosque and community is keeping an eye you becoming ‘too western’.

    I think you're losing the plot here. Are you specifically talking about England here or the whole world? Do you have any figures to back this up?


  • #1270
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    I reckon the security forces will be in a way relieved the attackers are linked to the Paris attacks.
    This shows it's the same network and gives them further leads.

    Of course, to the outside, it looks bad in terms of why these people weren't apprehended sooner, but I'm sure there are reasons why.

    Hopefully the capture of the third attacker will greatly assist them.


  • #1271
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Almost like business as usual at train stations. On way from Brussels to Amsterdam and security looks the same as when I was on the way down before the threat level increase.

    So much internal messing about in Belgium. Talking to a few locals and the feeling is their Government is a bit inept when it comes to security.


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  • #1272
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    The one thing that all of these organisations share is an ability to dehumanise the 'other' and a blind dogmatic approach to life that abstracts them so far from reality that they no longer seem to function on the same plain as the rest of us.

    You see this in human psychology a lot - happens with political parties that go completely crazy: see the Nazis, it happens with the current DPRK cult like leadership, it happens with religious cults : long list of them, the islamic ones just happen to be the most violent at the moment.

    What's making this particular cult more dangerous is that they have no fear of death and have basically managed to come up with some kind of philosophy where suffering in the present is collecting up brownie points for the afterlife.

    You've a massive humanitarian problem and on-going vicious wars in the Middle East that is feeding into a narrative that is being bought into by largely self-disenfranchised 'youth' in Europe who are becoming jihadis and targeting their anger at all the communities they've grown up in (or along side in some cases there's a lot of self-isolating stuff going on).

    When you think about it, it's very, very dangerous as people have devalued life to the point that they're willing not only to blow themselves up but to murder hundreds of people for their cause.

    The root cause of this is radicalisation and what's going on in the various middle eastern conflicts and one is playing into the other.

    The only way to solve this is to stabilise the Middle East and that is going to take HUGE commitment from all players to achieve - It probably involves bringing all sorts of scary local powers into line including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and several others. It also involves getting the US (and others) to stop idiotically meddling in things it doesn't really have a bulls notion about. Its crude (sometimes well meaning) interventions have been absolutely disastrous.

    It really annoys me though that we are being attacked like this. The majority of Europeans vote for largely centrist, social-democratic type parties, we bend over backwards to help out in a massive refugee crisis during what is already a major financial crisis here in Europe and by and large we have been really supportive of peaceful approaches to conflict resolution anywhere we have been involved. We have also gone way above and beyond to try and create open, inclusive societies that encompass everyone from right wing muslims to atheist drag queens and everyone in between and for the most part we all get on fine.

    The majority of small European countries occupy a fairly neutral space in terms of international conflicts. We host international bodies, we facilitate dialogue, in general the European continent represents all that is supposed to be good and positive having been through its own absolute hell on earth in WWII and learnt from those horrific times and changed. The whole post war European philosophy has been about creating open societies, connecting people, trying to build a better future and avoid horrors.

    Yet, a tiny minority portrays as some kind of evil empire and 'the enemy' and people feel so angry with us that they randomly kill people on the streets?!

    It's mind boggling and deeply unfair.

    You can start to understand why a lot of people see these attacks not only as a tragedy but as a massive slap in the face.

    I don't know, maybe we've lost control of our own message. I think there's a lot of positive stuff about Europe and its history after WWII that needs to be communicated a LOT better and more directly.

    We're quite obviously losing a small but significant number of people along the way who are buying into this very dangerous way of thinking that everyone is their enemy.

    If it continues, the only likely outcome will be an increasingly inward-looking 'Fortress Europe'.


  • #1273
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    galljga1 wrote: »
    I sort of half get this. Atheists using religious doctrine to achieve their aims?

    Perhaps a better way of saying it is that ISIS are selfists. They are like the Kims in North Korea. A true atheist believes in nothing as superior but these view themselves as superior to man, god and devil. They believe in only themselves and have gone so far out there in their egotistical fantasies that they are using any old religious or nationalist doctrine they can to justify their murderous fascism. They have gone so far in their self importance that they even have broken ranks with Zawahiri's similar selfist al Qaeda ego trip belief system which ISIS make look mild in comparison. These egotists will fall so far from their belief they are more important than god some day and when it happens, they will realise they are just yet another brutal fascist murder machine who had an inflated opinion of themselves. They will join Hitler, the Khmer Rouge and the like in the same fate.


  • #1274
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,061 ✭✭✭conorhal


    dav3 wrote: »
    Well Ireland continues and will continue to take in refugees, if that makes you uncomfortable, you should start planning now to leave the country. I'm not sure where you'll all go but i'm sure you can set up a colony somewhere.

    Why should I leave? If you're so eager to live amongst a medieval society surely it would be easier for you to leave rather then insisting on building it here?
    dav3 wrote: »
    How is this a bad thing? Irish people are doing exactly that same thing across the world. I have no idea how you managed to crowbar "due to mass migration" into that paragraph though.
    Similar to the Irish in Boston, Sydney, Toronto...

    Because it makes any kind of integration very difficult, and if the Irish are watching the RTE player in Boston i'm pretty sure Brian Dobson isn't preaching that they should be beheading their American neighbours.

    dav3 wrote: »
    I think you're losing the plot here. Are you specifically talking about England here or the whole world? Do you have any figures to back this up?

    When have we not repeated the same mistakes as Britian, a couple of decades later and with what should be a a full hindsight view of those mistakes?


  • #1275
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,839 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    12Phase wrote: »
    The only way to solve this is to stabilise the Middle East and that is going to take HUGE commitment from all players to achieve - It probably involves bringing all sorts of scary local powers into line including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and several others. It also involves getting the US (and others) to stop idiotically meddling in things it doesn't really have a bulls notion about. Its crude (sometimes well meaning) interventions have been absolutely disastrous.

    Thats the crux of it all.
    But as long as the West rely on oil from Saudi Arabia and back Israel no matter what they do wrong, I can't see any improvement.

    I wonder if the situation in the region would be better if Saddam and Gadaffi were still in charge in their respective countries? Getting rid of them has brought zero benefits from what I can see.


  • #1276
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    12Phase wrote: »
    I would hope the security services here have the ability to bridge the language divides and get sufficient intelligence.

    It was difficult enough to get information on our own terrorists who speak languages and have a culture that we are totally familiar with.

    We rely on the Brits and Americans.
    We have huge amount of very large American multinationals based here which probably means we have quiet a few NSA and CIA operatives as well.
    There has been a long running joke that Clonskeagh mosque is monitored by some Americans.

    And shure why wouldn't it since it has had connections with al-qaeda and muslim brotherhood.
    Go Tobban wrote: »
    What a fucked up situation this has become

    More bombing of the countries these extremists come from will only create new, motivated terrorists and then again you can't just sit back and let this sh1t go on without any repercussions

    Are you planning on bombing Belgium, UK and France ?
    K.Flyer wrote: »
    And its a bit late to arrest those who they suspected after they have blown themselves and others to smithereens.

    So the question now is... Just how safe is Ireland?

    Its all well and good being Vigilant, but is it Safe?

    As I said above we have huge US connection and that makes us a target.
    We have already had connections with al-qaeda and ISIS.
    Don't make mistake in thinking that we are special and shure everyone likes us.
    These guys detest everything we stand for.
    We are just another bunch of alcohol guzzling infidels to them.
    cowboyBuilder wrote: »
    Yep and shamefully this is taught at Muslim schools in the UK.

    That BBC primetime equivalent - can't remember the name - did a show on it some years ago.

    You do know who funds the major Irish mosque.
    You do know it's connections with organisations such as muslim brotherhood ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #1277
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    I don't know, I'm just starting to find the whole situation deeply depressing tbh.

    I'm probably going to just not listen to the news anymore today as it's starting to really upset me.
    I lived very close to the Maelbeek station and I've been through that check in at Zaventem tons of times. I have sat there probably posting nonsense on boards in that Starbucks where the poor barista was blown up.

    I'd also be fairly familiar with Paris and the Bataclan as a venue to head out to now and then and that whole incident just left me absolutely cold for days.

    I know it's totally stupid as I'm not directly involved, but I actually had nightmares about it last night and didn't sleep and got very little work done yesterday as I couldn't concentrate and was just checking up on people I know in Belgium all morning and afternoon.

    I know we're not supposed to 'let them win' and all that but there are times you'd wonder what the hell is wrong with humans. Between terrorism and so-called civilised nations feeling the need to threaten each other with nuclear bombs that would wipe out half the planet, you'd really wonder ...


  • #1278
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,061 ✭✭✭conorhal


    12Phase wrote: »

    The only way to solve this is to stabilise the Middle East and that is going to take HUGE commitment from all players to achieve - It probably involves bringing all sorts of scary local powers into line including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and several others. It also involves getting the US (and others) to stop idiotically meddling in things it doesn't really have a bulls notion about. Its crude (sometimes well meaning) interventions have been absolutely disastrous..

    I agree with most of what you say, but not this.
    This western falacy that is is somehow up to us to 'bring order' to the middle east is not the answer. As a non interventionist, it's my firm belief that there is no worse intervention you can take than involving yourself in sombody elses civil war. It's a loose/loose scenereo.

    There's a really interesting article here from 2006 in the NY Times that's worth a read for those that want to understand why western intervention in the ME is a hiding to nowhere.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/opinion/20friedman.html?_r=2&


  • #1279
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,863 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Am I the only one thinking why the resolution is so poor on the airport CCTVs?

    I have seen dash cams with better resolution.

    Surely all airports should have state of the art systems, giving crystal clear pictures?

    It is Belgium.

    That country is fubar'ed by the likes of Verhofstadt and his 4 unfinished governments.
    By ratface Van Rompuy.

    They used to have great roads too. Used to be a pleasure driving through it on the way to France. Now they are more like backroads in Ireland. No money for maintaining them.


  • #1280
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    conorhal wrote: »
    What's you agenda?

    Ahh the imponderable question that a lot of us have asked.

    You do know noddy has a sneakey admiration for the old suicide bombers, well apart from the child ones.
    conorhal wrote: »
    If anybody stands here full of hatred it's you.

    Yep hatred for his own people and for his own society.
    Nodin wrote: »
    No, not colonies. The lengths to which people go to in order to bend reality to their own agenda is sickening.

    Pot and kettle.
    BTW you didn't answer my question from yesterday,
    has your opinion on suicide bombers changed ?
    imme wrote: »
    ...
    'Dr' Ali Selim from the Islamic Cultural Centre was on with Vincent Brown this evening.

    What I got from what he said was that Europeans can expect what happened in Brussels is because Muslims are marginalised and disadvantaged.
    :rolleyes:

    An odious individual with mindset that this country would be much better without.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #1281
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    conorhal wrote: »
    Why should I leave? If you're so eager to live amongst a medieval society surely it would be easier for you to leave rather then insisting on building it here?
    Because it makes any kind of integration very difficult, and if the Irish are watching the RTE player in Boston i'm pretty sure Brian Dobson isn't preaching that they should be beheading their American neighbours.
    When have we not repeated the same mistakes as Britian, a couple of decades later and with what should be a a full hindsight view of those mistakes?

    Well If neither of us have any intention of leaving then we should be looking towards finding a solution to these issues. Deporting all people with dark skin and closing our borders to all migrants isn't an option.

    As far as I'm aware, Dobo hasn't called for any beheadings yet. I think the problem goes far deeper than a few lads watching tv from another country. Looking at the socioeconomic issues that certain people find themselves under would be a start.

    The mistake that Britain made was invading and illegally occupying a vast number of countries around the world.
    I can't really see us making those mistakes any time soon.


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  • #1282
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Nope, they don't have him.


  • #1283
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    Nope, they don't have him.

    Course they don't id be shocked if they had. Probably being hidden and sheltered by his own community.


  • #1284
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    screamer wrote: »
    Course they don't id be shocked if they had. Probably being hidden and sheltered by his own community.

    it's probably that fake glasses and hat disguise he had on, the cunning bastard.


  • #1285
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jmayo wrote: »

    Pot and kettle.
    .

    Whats that mean? They aren't colonies.
    jmayo wrote: »
    BTW you didn't answer my question from yesterday,
    has your opinion on suicide bombers changed ?
    .
    No.


  • #1286
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    conorhal wrote: »
    What relevence does it have, it's Irelands future of the current course is maintained. Perhaps you can dispute any of my assertions rtather then whining about them? I doubt it though.

    His point is that they don't seem like your assertions, but a regurgitation of the usual nonsense gleaned from far right blogs and websites.


  • #1287
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    conorhal wrote: »
    I agree with most of what you say, but not this.
    This western falacy that is is somehow up to us to 'bring order' to the middle east is not the answer. As a non interventionist, it's my firm belief that there is no worse intervention you can take than involving yourself in sombody elses civil war. It's a loose/loose scenereo.

    There's a really interesting article here from 2006 in the NY Times that's worth a read for those that want to understand why western intervention in the ME is a hiding to nowhere.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/20/opinion/20friedman.html?_r=2&

    I agree, there's a major problem with all the interventionism that went on previously and it's a huge part of the problem to start with.

    Realistically, it should be something that's dealt with by the governments and powers that be in the region itself maybe helped through some kind of UN framework.

    The problem is that nobody seems to be too keen on solving the problem locally and it's all about local scores to be settled and religious / sectarian divides and ancient hatreds.

    Europe used to be quite similar - centuries of vicious conflict and old scores being settled and re-settled. We moved on, largely because of WWII and the Cold War shocking us into it growing up.

    I don't see that happening in the Middle East anytime soon. If anything, it's getting far worse and seems to lack the structures and ideas to build it up.


  • #1288
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    inforfun wrote: »
    It is Belgium.

    That country is fubar'ed by the likes of Verhofstadt and his 4 unfinished governments.
    By ratface Van Rompuy.

    They used to have great roads too. Used to be a pleasure driving through it on the way to France. Now they are more like backroads in Ireland. No money for maintaining them.

    Belgium really is turning into the ghetto of Europe.


  • #1289
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Belgium really is turning into the ghetto of Europe.

    A lot of that is to do with their old score settling behaviour too though. Wallonia and Flanders' family feud has been growing progressively more and more petty and dysfunctional over the decades to the point that a lot of services simply don't work properly anymore.

    Due to internal fighting there's a starving of funds to Wallonia with a notion that they're 'lazy' due to their rust-belt status as traditional industry collapsed much like the North of England. Regeneration didn't happen as there was petty politics involved and the Flemish were somewhat smug about the economic disaster that their former French-speaking dominant neighbours were slipping into.

    It got used to settle an old score, rather than seeing it as a region of the country that direly needed investment to replace dying industries.

    Wallonia used to be the "England" of Belgium with Flanders being Ireland or Scotland - the bullied, rural underling with the funny accent and 2nd language.
    The tables turned and there's been relatively little love lost. The problem is that it's created a totally dysfunctional state.

    In reality they would possibly be better as part of NL and France respectively although I don't think that would work either. The Francophone Belgians consider the French extremely arrogant and they're also royalists which would go down like a lead balloon in La Republique Française .. Meanwhile the Flemish consider the Dutch to be very arrogant and loud and generally not their favourite neighbours and I'm not sure either NL or FR would have them either.

    Then what would you do with Brussels!? It's kinda stuck between the two? Many Brussels residents suggest maybe turning it into a special EU territory to host the institutions like Washington DC.

    You could see Belgium splitting into 2 states and a Luxembourgesque city state around Brussels.


  • #1290
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    it's probably that fake glasses and hat disguise he had on, the cunning bastard.
    Michael Healy Rae?


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  • #1291
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,061 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Nodin wrote: »
    His point is that they don't seem like your assertions, but a regurgitation of the usual nonsense gleaned from far right blogs and websites.

    Which you respond to with your tiresome regurgitation of 'nothing to see here' while having no argument to refute them. Your kill the messenger aproach and transparent attempt to 'no platform' debate is looking pretty weak, but I'd be curious to know what your understanding of how this mass immigration is likely to impact society and social cohesion? Please enlighten us on how exactly you see all this panning out in the coming decades? So we 'let them all in', what in your opinion happens next?

    Not that I expect an answer though.


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