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  • #872
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    What I'd like to know is what the hell do the ****ers want?
    Confusion. Chaos. Hate.

    They want to establish an independent Islamic state in the middle east that's n control of a significant portion of the region. The view is an entirely Sharia-governed region, as apparently predicted by some magical scroll or whatever.

    Part of this prophecy is the "end times"; they don't really give a **** if western nations live or die, their prophecy tells them all non-believers will die. The purposes of their terrorism is not to conquer the west or impose Sharia law, but to goad the west into war, which they view as a "Holy War" and breed hate towards Islam in order to drive all Muslims towards their Islamic state as citizens/soldiers/cannon fodder.

    Every call to close the borders. Every piece of text degrading all muslims. Every claim that "Islam is special and needs to be wiped out". All get IS one step closer to what they want.


  • #873
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    The truth is the EU and its people seem to care more about the rights and safety of those in Africa and parts of the middle east than those in Europe. I don't understand why EU countries get involved in civil wars or any other wars in other parts of the world unless like the US they are more interested in feeding themselves off the scraps left over. If European armies never entered islamic regions and instead protected our own borders then none of this would be happening. In reality, I feel it's our own fault.


  • #874
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Will the Americans be over to have our backs securing borders?


  • #875
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Is it just Islamic hate speech that should be banned or all religious hate speech?
    Should religions be allowed to preach anything contrary to a nations law?

    Any religious hate speech.

    Thus if you are far right christian espousing discrimination and more to Jews, gays, black people, women seeking abortion, etc you also get your ar** kicked.
    Also no place for the likes of followers of Jewish Kach and Kahane Chai type parties.

    I would have no time for the right wing catholic groups like opus dei, but AFAIK much as they may dislike them they haven't quiet started preaching stoning for adulterers and death to gays as of yet.

    You can preach that you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, everyone not of your religion is going to hell, we are awaiting the return of the aliens, the earth is flat etc.

    It is when you start preaching such shyte like that gays, lesbians, adulterers, rape victims should be actively discriminated against and treated as dirt with the ultimate outcome being they deserve death, then you have crossed a bloody great big line in my book.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #876
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    To support my narrative????

    Shurimgreat said "Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows. "

    This is not true.

    Show me evidence of this in Malaysia.

    It might be a matter if point of view and you might disagree, but I would have no problem saying there is state-sponsored persecution/terror against non-Muslims and against Muslims who either refuse Islamic laws or want to leave Islam.

    I am not only talking about pressure from society but also coercive measures implemented by the State which will cause serious problems to these people if they don't submit and accept the status imposed upon them (hence why I think the word terror is valid).

    One example of "soft" government sponsored terror against Muslims who don't follow Islamic law: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/7958691/Unmarried-Malaysian-Muslim-civil-servants-face-eviction-from-government-housing.html

    What happens when you try to leave Islam (spoiler: institutional hurdles and death threats from Muslim groups involved): http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/world/asia/24malaysia.html?_r=0

    And various quotas and cohesive measures are limited access to education and government roles for non Muslim Malays, making them second class citizens (restricting people's access to these based on racial/religious reasons making it clear they'd better not complain about it if they don't want any trouble is getting pretty close to "terror").


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  • #877
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    That law need to go. Hatred and violence laws need to stay they are sensible. Remind us again what Religion here threatened to use that law recently ? it was not Christians.

    It's been used many times by the catholic church here too, though in a much smaller sense than recent threats by Muslim leaders. Its a ridiculous law and I can't believe its still here in 2016.

    Hard clampdown on those preaching hatred is the way forward with a zero tolerance policy and not allow people hide behind free speech. This has to be across the board though, no matter what religion or belief a person holds if they incite hatred they should be punished severely.


  • #878
    crazygeryy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭crazygeryy


    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/belgiums-tihange-nuclear-power-plant-evacuated-reports-34562527.html

    hopefully this is just a precaution.


  • #879
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Yep the link between suicide bombings and Islam is well established at this stage, no-one can deny that.

    Can you name me one Christian suicide bomber by the way compared to the thousands of Islamic ones?

    There have been an awful lot of atrocities committed by Christians. I'd say if you looked into the amount amount of mass shootings committed by Christians it may skew things the other way again...


  • #880
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/belgiums-tihange-nuclear-power-plant-evacuated-reports-34562527.html

    hopefully this is just a precaution.


    Hopefully

    Belgium's Tihange nuclear power plant evacuated - reports


  • #881
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    It's been used many times by the catholic church here too, though in a much smaller sense than recent threats by Muslim leaders. Its a ridiculous law and I can't believe its still here in 2016.

    Hard clampdown on those preaching hatred is the way forward with a zero tolerance policy and not allow people hide behind free speech. This has to be across the board though, no matter what religion or belief a person holds if they incite hatred they should be punished severely.

    I agree, We do not have protected free speech here. Some Free speech rights trump others.


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  • #882
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Only yesterday I was watching a documentary about Death of a Princess. One man interviewed (he was Arabic) said that Arabs in Western society have to become schizophrenic (it was made in the late 70s), as in they have to try to live two different lives.

    I've said it before, but I do not think Islam is compatible with life in western society.

    If you see someone your age, going out with a mini skirt on, having boyfriends, going to cinema, concerts etc., while you must stay covered up, how do you justify that to yourself? You have to grow to despise that culture. Otherwise you would join that culture and embrace it (an absolute no no in Islam). They really have no choice but to despise and condemn our Western culture. And that breeds hatred.


  • #883
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    seamus wrote: »
    Every call to close the borders. Every piece of text degrading all muslims. Every claim that "Islam is special and needs to be wiped out". All get IS one step closer to what they want.

    We are ****ed either way then. Islamic fundamentalism can not be allowed to continue. If we do nothing we may as well bomb our own cities ourselves under that logic.


  • #884
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    dav3 wrote: »
    Catholicism and Christianity has done more damage to this country and the people in it than Islam ever will.

    We can't ban one without banning or reducing the influence of both, or all, and I'm all for reducing the influence of all.

    Ack the leftist atheist who likes attacking de church in 2015 but won't attack a much more dangerous religion.


  • #885
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Minderbinder wrote: »
    I don't understand why EU countries get involved in civil wars or any other wars in other parts of the world

    Because of innocent people getting murdered, genocide, war crimes, humanitarian crisis. Basically trying to do the right thing. IE: The opposite values to ISIS.


  • #886
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Liam O wrote: »
    There have been an awful lot of atrocities committed by Christians. I'd say if you looked into the amount amount of mass shootings committed by Christians it may skew things the other way again...

    In Europe?


  • #887
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    Because of innocent people getting murdered, genocide, war crimes, humanitarian crisis. Basically trying to do the right thing. IE: The opposite values to ISIS.

    Ah that's nonsense too. The US in particular follows an imperialist ideology in the ME along with its partners like Israel.


  • #888
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Idiot English reporter on sky news saying it's a failure by the Belgian authorities, I mean is there any need for that shít right now?

    If it happens in England will he be putting blame on them just as quick?


  • #889
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    Fuel for their ideology, its nothing new in terrorism, we've seen it first hand in Irelands past.



    I disagree, just like any terrorist organisation I believe the whole idea is to get a reaction, the people blowing themselves up might think they are wiping out the non believers one suicide attack at a time but ISIS isn't run by idiots who believe this, they want a reaction to fuel their own ideology among muslims.

    The type of Islamic violence is new to Europe but has been going on for centuries in the middle east.

    Looking for a reaction is how western media try to infantilize them, primarily to create an illusion of authority.

    The reality is this is an idealogical war against the very existence of Western culture and the only solution for these Islamic terrorists is the complete extinction of Western culture, Christian or otherwise, and the assimilation of the non-Islamic lands into the Islamic caliphate.

    It is fundamentally the opposite to e.g. the IRA or PLO. They were trying to get foreign invaders and governments out, as a defensive action. Islam is trying to get in, as an attacker.

    If Europe is Palestine, Isis are Israel. Sitting around holding hands in arrogant ignorance at being superior enough to survive hasnt helped the vast swathes of lands destroyed by Islamic fanatics. Christians, Muslims...Jews... Everyone is a target.


  • #890
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    Liam O wrote: »
    There have been an awful lot of atrocities committed by Christians. I'd say if you looked into the amount amount of mass shootings committed by Christians it may skew things the other way again...

    Yes there have. And they weren't really linked to religion either. It surprises me that people still seem to think religion is the key issue. Religion has never been the reason for war. It's an excuse for war. If the entire world was of one religion, or indeed no religion, countries would still invade each other, exploit each other, engage in guerilla warfare and commit these kinds of acts.


  • #891
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Ah that's nonsense too. The US in particular follows an imperialist ideology in the ME along with its partners like Israel.

    I distinctly only referred to the UN in the comment because of this.


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  • #892
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Internet Ham wrote: »
    We are ****ed either way then. Islamic fundamentalism can not be allowed to continue. If we do nothing we may as well bomb our own cities ourselves under that logic.
    I guess when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

    There are more options beyond banning Islam and closing borders.


  • #893
    etoughguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 344 ✭✭etoughguy


    Is it too late to chip in with some anti religious diatribe? I can quote Hawkins too and provide youtube links to Hitchens? It will help spread the hatred festering here towards religions which for sure will help us find a solution to these problems


  • #894
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    jmayo wrote: »
    Any religious hate speech.

    Thus if you are far right christian espousing discrimination and more to Jews, gays, black people, women seeking abortion, etc you also get your ar** kicked.
    Also no place for the likes of followers of Jewish Kach and Kahane Chai type parties.

    I would have no time for the right wing catholic groups like opus dei, but AFAIK much as they may dislike them they haven't quiet started preaching stoning for adulterers and death to gays as of yet.

    You can preach that you believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, everyone not of your religion is going to hell, we are awaiting the return of the aliens, the earth is flat etc.

    It is when you start preaching such shyte like that gays, lesbians, adulterers, rape victims should be actively discriminated against and treated as dirt with the ultimate outcome being they deserve death, then you have crossed a bloody great big line in my book.

    Actually, in Irish constitutional law, your rights are quite specifically restricted in that area:

    As per the constitution:

    The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality: –
    ...

    I would assume morality includes all of the above.
    It would be fairly easy to argue that morality in this case includes basic concepts of human rights.


  • #895
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    seamus wrote: »
    I guess when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

    There are more options beyond banning Islam and closing borders.

    Such as?


  • #896
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    Because of innocent people getting murdered, genocide, war crimes, humanitarian crisis. Basically trying to do the right thing. IE: The opposite values to ISIS.

    So you think the US government and the EU are going in there just trying to do the right thing?

    Even if that were true, it's none of our business. We are not the world police. We won't and will never be thanked for it. Today is our thank you.

    I imagine if members of your family were caught up in this kind of thing you'd change your tune about who's life is more important. It's irresponsible to put others ahead of your own family.


  • #897
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    It's a real pity Christopher Hitchens is not around for this.


  • #898
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    In Europe?

    What about the whole bosnian genocide perpetrated by Christians?
    Which I do not believe the pope or any other leading christian religious figure has spoken out against.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #899
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Idiot English reporter on sky news saying it's a failure by the Belgian authorities, I mean is there any need for that shít right now?

    If it happens in England will he be putting blame on them just as quick?

    A bit too quick to make a call on that particular event for sure.

    Having said that, Belgium has been building up a reputation for being Europe's Islamic terrorist's heaven and this won't help get rid of it.


  • #900
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    In Europe?

    The Germans were Christian weren't they ?


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  • #901
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    dissed doc wrote: »
    The type of Islamic violence is new to Europe but has been going on for centuries in the middle east.

    Looking for a reaction is how western media try to infantilize them, primarily to create an illusion of authority.

    The reality is this is an idealogical war against the very existence of Western culture and the only solution for these Islamic terrorists is the complete extinction of Western culture, Christian or otherwise, and the assimilation of the non-Islamic lands into the Islamic caliphate.

    This may be their ultimate goal but lets face it they need a reaction to fuel their recruitment, if they didn't we would be seeing much more large scale attacks on a frequent basis already. Hence they want a reaction against muslims and islam in general to feed this.


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