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  • #812
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Well I'll take more heed of an updated "precautionary warning" from an official body over your 5 year old anecdote

    Why were you planning to go and do you hold a UK passport?


  • #813
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    dav3 wrote: »
    After the Dublin and Monaghan bombings life went on. We didn't deport all British or Protestant people, the country's citizens continued to live their lives.

    Rocking yourself back and forth in the corner thinking we're all going to die is not healthy.

    That is the second assertion you have made against my mental state. I don't know where you are getting them from. My posts have neither been hysteric nor indicative of someone who is afraid.

    There is a problem with Islam. Deep in it's core. Now you can keep attacking my mental state but no matter how you slice it Muslims are becoming a problem in Europe. These attackers aren't screaming the Rosary or howling from the Torah when they detonate their vests.


  • #814
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be nice though if these people were still alive?


    After a while terrorism will destabilise society. The Dublin bombings happened 40 years ago and were rare civilian atrocities in the conflict (none as large as a typical Isis attack). And it's still remembered. If it happened every few months then Dublins city centre would never have recovered.

    So what happens if Isis step up to an attack somewhere to once a month?

    This "era relax" is nonsense.

    There's a far greater chance of an Anders Breivik type attack in this country than some imaginary bogey man living here.

    You just have to listen the hatred, racism, bigotry, xenophobia and constant attacks on the left by certain people. It far outweighs anything coming from any muslims living here.


  • #815
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.

    Strange how they are putting up warnings not to travel there these days,then?
    Have you been there lately?

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/malaysia/terrorism


  • #816
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It's the lack of any achievable end game for these people that terrifies me.

    I mean, who the fúck is gullible enough to believe that 70 virgins tripe that they are told. Blow yourself and a bunch of others to bits and be rewarded. meanwhile your brain is plastered all over a wall in the street.


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  • #817
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Internet Ham wrote: »
    That is the second assertion you have made against my mental state. I don't know where you are getting them from. My posts have neither been hysteric nor indicative of someone who is afraid.

    I was paraphrasing. I hope your mental state is good.


  • #818
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Go to Penang and ask Malaysian Chinese if they are treated equally with Muslim Malays, in private and once you know someone well enough to trust you with giving you their true opinion. If you don't have anyone to talk to, the first clue will be when you land at the airport: all the official staff and the police are Muslim Malay, which seems a bit strange as the population of Penang is a very large majority of non-Muslims Chinese (who have more restricted access to education and very limited access to public jobs, which explains the airport situation).

    And the different communities haven't exactly coexisted peacefully either:
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_race_riots_in_Singapore
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_May_Incident

    Singapore was very much separated from the rest of Malaysia for racial and religious reasons.


    Whoa there horsies. I responded to this post;
    Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows.
    Suicide bombs, terror attacks, the works, always follow where Islam goes.

    I did not say that Malaysia has no social, political or religious problems. I said it did not have any of the above which was a gross generalisation.


  • #819
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Why were you planning to go and do you hold a UK passport?


    You thought it odd because you saw nothing only people shopping. Just thought I update you, this is Jan 2016.
    Originally Posted by Baggy Trousers View Post
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.


    KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has ordered the immediate implementation of joint patrols by policemen and soldiers in public places, including popular tourist hotspots like Bukit Bintang in downtown Kuala Lumpur.

    Mr Najib made the announcement at a news conference after chairing a National Security Council meeting in Putrajaya on Tuesday (Jan 19), amid a heightened terror alert across the region following the deadly bombings in Jakarta last week.

    He also added that there would be 24-hour surveillance in popular tourist hotspots and that the Immigration and Customs departments, as well as village and rural development authorities, would be told to step up surveillance.


    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/malaysia-beefs-up/2437984.html


  • #820
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Liam O wrote: »
    It's the lack of any achievable end game for these people that terrifies me.

    I mean, who the fúck is gullible enough to believe that 70 virgins tripe that they are told. Blow yourself and a bunch of others to bits and be rewarded. meanwhile your brain is plastered all over a wall in the street.

    The French President said today it will be a long war,he knows bloody well this war will never end


  • #821
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.

    Probably practising Islam Lite much as you'd find in Turkey, Indonesia, etc. and not a hardline Islamic state or pure Islam as you see in some states in the middle east.

    Islam Lite is just about bearable, ie Islam and secularism living side by side.

    Pure Islam which aims to subjugate and drag us back to the stone age is where the problem lies.

    I don't think you could call Malaysia an enlightened state by the way, looks like they are going backwards.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-islam-law-idUSKBN0ME0JJ20150318


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  • #822
    12Phase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭12Phase


    The common denominator is all of these psychopaths give up other people's lives for their cause.

    They abstract themselves from reality so far that they can do this.


  • #823
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    You thought it odd because you saw nothing only people shopping. Just thought I update you, this is Jan 2016.

    KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has ordered the immediate implementation of joint patrols by policemen and soldiers in public places, including popular tourist hotspots like Bukit Bintang in downtown Kuala Lumpur.

    Mr Najib made the announcement at a news conference after chairing a National Security Council meeting in Putrajaya on Tuesday (Jan 19), amid a heightened terror alert across the region following the deadly bombings in Jakarta last week.

    He also added that there would be 24-hour surveillance in popular tourist hotspots and that the Immigration and Customs departments, as well as village and rural development authorities, would be told to step up surveillance.

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/malaysia-beefs-up/2437984.html


    I am sorry, can you point out the "Suicide bombs, terror attacks, the works, always follow where Islam goes. " there?


  • #824
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Whoa there horsies. I responded to this post;



    I did not say that Malaysia has no social, political or religious problems. I said it did not have any of the above which was a gross generalisation.

    Terror takes many forms, including terrorising women into abiding by Islamic laws and terrorising minority groups such as gays and transgenders.


  • #825
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    If ISIS get that capacity London is doomed. Except there is nothing to negotiate.

    Indeed in a worst case doomsday scenario. if we give them what they want it only enables them to get to that worse case scenario, so don't give them what they want.


  • #826
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    I am sorry, can you point out the "Suicide bombs, terror attacks, the works, always follow where Islam goes. " there?

    Yep the link between suicide bombings and Islam is well established at this stage, no-one can deny that.

    Can you name me one Christian suicide bomber by the way compared to the thousands of Islamic ones?


  • #827
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    When you bomb a white skinned child who prays to God, it's murder.

    When you bomb a brown skinned child who prays to Allah, it's collateral damage.

    If you're wondering what the motive behind attacks in Europe is, the attitude illustrated above is a massive part of it.

    Devastating as today's news is, horrific as these attacks are, the death toll won't even come close to the number of Iraqi and Syrian children blown to bits by Western forces as "collateral damage"

    Either blowing up civilians is okay or it's not. I say it's not.

    Did it ever cross your mind that a fair chunk of those killed were killed by fellow Syrians and Iraqis nevermind the muslim fighters that came to join in the carnage ?

    Nah all those people were killed by Americans, British, you know some Westerner of some sort and now everyone in the West should be ashamed and legitimate targets fro conquer and death. :rolleyes:

    Why did Shia turn on Sunni in Iraq, why did Sunni turn on Shia ?
    Why did ISIS decide to try wipe out Kurds, Yazidis ?

    You are the exact type of person who will be wailing about the Wests intervention and then come out and demand they go in to save Yazidis on Mount Sinjar or bomb Gaddafi forces around Benghazi.
    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    It doesn't make sense to say it's okay when we bomb their kids but it's not okay when they bomb ours.

    My position is that both are wrong, you've interpreted that as both are equally acceptable- that's on you.

    Ehh who is this "WE" ?

    Was it ok to kill irish citizens on holiday in Tunisia because British and Americans bomb3ed somewhere in the Arab muslim world ?
    Was it ok to attack Irish citizens in a nightclub in Paris because France had bombed somewhere in muslim world ?

    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    I think the young men they are recruiting probably are, yes. They're probably not shedding tears over Saddam himself, but over the utter destruction of Iraq and the senseless murder of tens of thousands.

    And it was screamer who brought up objectives, not me - I was just responding to the point...

    And once again Iraqis, their feuds and revenge tactics had nothing at all to do with turning the country into a shytehole.
    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    US had no problem dropping an atomic bomb on a Japanese city killing thousands and thousands of innocent people, but they refuse to attack ISIS with any force. A little air strike here and there. SAD
    World is too PC. Isis control areas the size of Ireland, Flatten these areas full stop !

    Most of ISIS controlled territory is vast nothingness.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #828
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    I am sorry, can you point out the "Suicide bombs, terror attacks, the works, always follow where Islam goes. " there?

    You narrowed it down to Malaysia to support your narrative and prove your point. Unfortunately the reality in Malaysia does not match your fond memories and terror has followed Islam there. Care to pick another country to try and support your point?


  • #829
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Probably practising Islam Lite much as you'd find in Turkey, Indonesia, etc. and not a hardline Islamic state or pure Islam as you see in some states in the middle east.

    Islam Lite is just about bearable, ie Islam and secularism living side by side.

    Pure Islam which aims to subjugate and drag us back to the stone age is where the problem lies.

    I don't think you could call Malaysia an enlightened state by the way, looks like they are going backwards.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-islam-law-idUSKBN0ME0JJ20150318

    Do you agree then that your statement was a gross generalisation?
    Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows.

    Malaysia climbing the Global Peace Index now. 28th, ahead of the France, UK and Italy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index


  • #830
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    You narrowed it down to Malaysia to support your narrative and prove your point. Unfortunately the reality in Malaysia does not match your fond memories and terror has followed Islam there. Care to pick another country to try and support your point?

    To support my narrative????

    Shurimgreat said "Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows. "

    This is not true.

    Show me evidence of this in Malaysia.


  • #831
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    dav3 wrote: »
    There's a far greater chance of an Anders Breivik type attack in this country than some imaginary bogey man living here.

    You just have to listen the hatred, racism, bigotry, xenophobia and constant attacks on the left by certain people. It far outweighs anything coming from any muslims living here.

    Yeh I doubt that. Despite your buzz words there really isn't an organised right wing in Ireland. Or much indication that single perpetrators would do anything. Dissident republicans might bomb Northern Ireland.

    Ireland is on the Isis list so it might be a target. But this - to answer you - is to engage in your "thinking". Don't worry about bombs in European cities, that's just crazy talk. It's not though. These incidents are increasing in frequency. it's sane enough to worry, or rather discuss it.


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  • #832
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    To support my narrative????

    Shurimgreat said "Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows. "

    This is not true.

    Show me evidence of this in Malaysia.

    Well we know it holds true for Malaysia. along with the other links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Malaysia#War_on_Terror_and_Islamic_extremism

    In July 2000, an Islamic militant group called Al-Ma'unah stole weapons from a Malaysian Army camp in an attempt to overthrow the Malaysian Government. The group was later cornered in the village of Sauk, Perak and was involved in a stand-off the against the Malaysian Army and Royal Malaysian Police forces. Following a five-day standoff, the siege came to an end when Malaysian security forces, including the army 22nd Grup Gerak Khas (22nd GGK) and police VAT 69 Pasukan Gerakan Khas, stormed the camp in Operation Dawn.[5][6]

    On 6 April 2015, Malaysian authorities arrested seventeen suspected militants who were involved in an alleged terror plot in the capital Kuala Lumpur. Two of the suspects were alleged to have been fighting for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) in Syria. These arrests coincided with the Malaysian Government's plans to introduce two new anti-terror bills: the Prevention of Terrorism Act and the Special Measures Against Terrorism in Foreign Countries Act.[7]




    Can we identify any country that can disprove the hypothesis?


  • #833
    Take Your Pants Off
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭Take Your Pants Off


    The amount of wasters in this thread.


  • #834
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Take Your Pants Off wrote: »
    The amount of wasters in this thread.

    Take a bow, After winning the Internet. :pac::pac::rolleyes:


  • #835
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Well we know it holds true for Malaysia. along with the other links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Malaysia#War_on_Terror_and_Islamic_extremism

    In July 2000, an Islamic militant group called Al-Ma'unah stole weapons from a Malaysian Army camp in an attempt to overthrow the Malaysian Government. The group was later cornered in the village of Sauk, Perak and was involved in a stand-off the against the Malaysian Army and Royal Malaysian Police forces. Following a five-day standoff, the siege came to an end when Malaysian security forces, including the army 22nd Grup Gerak Khas (22nd GGK) and police VAT 69 Pasukan Gerakan Khas, stormed the camp in Operation Dawn.[5][6]

    On 6 April 2015, Malaysian authorities arrested seventeen suspected militants who were involved in an alleged terror plot in the capital Kuala Lumpur. Two of the suspects were alleged to have been fighting for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) in Syria. These arrests coincided with the Malaysian Government's plans to introduce two new anti-terror bills: the Prevention of Terrorism Act and the Special Measures Against Terrorism in Foreign Countries Act.[7]


    Can we identify any country that can disprove the hypothesis?

    That's all you got? :)

    How do classify above?

    Is it terror, chaos or destruction? :D


  • #836
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    Indeed in a worst case doomsday scenario. if we give them what they want it only enables them to get to that worse case scenario, so don't give them what they want.

    Which is what?

    The whole ISIS want a reaction is sophmoric crap. The radicalised Muslims in Europe often come from middle class backgrounds. its not discrimination.

    Unless you accept that people have ideologies and theologies that are not going to change then you can't engage.


  • #837
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    To support my narrative????

    Shurimgreat said "Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows. "

    This is not true.

    Show me evidence of this in Malaysia.

    It might be your use of the phrase 'the works' that is tripping people up; could be viewed as yet more death and destruction, could be viewed as repressive set of conditions for women, gays, etc.


  • #838
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    The apologists are strong in this thread.


  • #839
    Ronaldinho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    dav3 wrote: »
    There's a far greater chance of an Anders Breivik type attack in this country than some imaginary bogey man living here.

    You just have to listen the hatred, racism, bigotry, xenophobia and constant attacks on the left by certain people. It far outweighs anything coming from any muslims living here.

    Ugh - yesterday evening on another thread somebody listed a range of incidents that have occurred on the continent over recent months\years, which another posted labelled as hysteria. To me it was and is factual, not hysteria. And then less that 12 hours later we have another horrific incident.

    The probability of any of us being killed in the terror attack is very low, there is no point in being a hypochondriac and being afraid to go out. But that does not mean that we should put our head in the sand and pretend that nothing like this morning's attacks will ever happen here. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. We need to get on the front foot here and do what we can.


  • #840
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's all you got? :)

    How do classify above?

    Is it terror, chaos or destruction? :D

    "amid a heightened terror alert across the region following the deadly bombings in Jakarta last week."



    not, sure. Have you any ideas? olO


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  • #841
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    It might be your use of the phrase 'the works' that is tripping people up; could be viewed as yet more death and destruction, could be viewed as repressive set of conditions for women, gays, etc.

    That was not my phrase! I responded to it.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99144832&postcount=784
    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows. The problems of the middle east are being imported into Europe now, the main one being Islam.

    Suicide bombs, terror attacks, the works, always follow where Islam goes. It doesn't matter if the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. The problem is their religion, not the practisers.


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