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  • #842
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    just saw footage of seconds afterwards in the airport (on the DM site) with passengers just stunned on the floor and still in shock, not knowing to stay still or move.
    It seemed to be a bit away from the actual blast though, so the power of it must have been huge.
    Very chilling to watch.


  • #843
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    "amid a heightened terror alert across the region following the deadly bombings in Jakarta last week."



    not, sure. Have you any ideas? olO

    So the people of Malaysia were terrorised by this "incident". You are reaching now. Look keep your prejudice, you deserve it.


  • #844
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Yeh I doubt that. Despite your buzz words there really isn't an organised right wing in Ireland. Or much indication that single perpetrators would do anything. Dissident republicans might bomb Northern Ireland.

    Ireland is on the Isis list so it might be a target. But this - to answer you - is to engage in your "thinking". Don't worry about bombs in European cities, that's just crazy talk. It's not though. These incidents are increasing in frequency. it's sane enough to worry, or rather discuss it.

    Discuss away. As long as it's done in an intelligent and reasonable manner with intelligent and reasonable solutions, knock yourselves out.

    Most of it is not though. Deporting all muslims and people with dark skin is not an option.


  • #845
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    So the people of Malaysia were terrorised by this "incident". You are reaching now. Look keep your prejudice, you deserve it.

    If all out fails, pull out they "prejudice" card :pac:


  • #846
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Ronaldinho wrote: »
    An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. We need to get on the front foot here and do what we can.

    What do you suggest?


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  • #847
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    dav3 wrote: »
    What do you suggest?

    Arrest charge jail anyone spreading radical religious teaching. Arrest charge jail anyone radicalising young people or anyone for example.


  • #848
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    dav3 wrote: »
    Discuss away. As long as it's done in an intelligent and reasonable manner with intelligent and reasonable solutions, knock yourselves out.

    Most of it is not though. Deporting all muslims and people with dark skin is not an option.

    So what is your solution? As I read it you want to stick your head in the sand as long as it doesn't affect you. Which was the crux of my initial post that you took issue with.

    They can't be deported if they are not allowed access. They can't blame us for trying to protect our populations. (I am a leftie by the way but on this issue I can't see any other option.)


  • #849
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    dav3 wrote: »
    Discuss away. As long as it's done in an intelligent and reasonable manner with intelligent and reasonable solutions, knock yourselves out.

    Most of it is not though. Deporting all muslims and people with dark skin is not an option.

    So what is your solution? As I read it you want to stick your head in the sand as long as it doesn't affect you. Which was the crux of my initial post that you took issue with.

    They can't be deported if they are not allowed access. They can't blame us for trying to protect our populations.


  • #850
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,275 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    In what other circumstances do we expect an entire community to apologise for the actions of people they have never met and don't agree with?

    It's just so stupid.

    Even when communities do come out and condemn such attacks, the usual lot go from demanding such a condemnation to accusing said communities of engaging in Taqiyya


  • #851
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Arrest charge jail anyone spreading radical religious teaching. Arrest charge jail anyone radicalising young people or anyone for example.

    You would need to clearly define radical religious teaching, so that it would stand up in a prosecution.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • #852
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,839 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Had heard on the Charlie Hebdo attacks and now this one, that the perpetrators recently returned from abroad, where they had likely been training. It appears the authorities know this and just let them back in.

    He's a crazy idea, you leave to train in Syria or wherever, you NEVER get back into the country. NEVER.


  • #853
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    You would need to clearly define radical religious teaching, so that it would stand up in a prosecution.

    True and there is no will to do so.


  • #854
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Had heard on the Charlie Hebdo attacks and now this one, that the perpetrators recently returned from abroad, where they had likely been training. It appears the authorities know this and just let them back in.

    He's a crazy idea, you leave to train in Syria or wherever, you NEVER get back into the country. NEVER.

    Careful now what about HR, Amnesty and all that will be baying for blood. Training to kill westerners and wage war seems to be a higher human right.


  • #855
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    It might be your use of the phrase 'the works' that is tripping people up; could be viewed as yet more death and destruction, could be viewed as repressive set of conditions for women, gays, etc.

    I'd definitely agree with repression and misogyny being part of the "works".

    Just last week, the organisers of an Islamic event in the London School of Economics were criticised for segregating women and men and putting up a curtain between them. I suppose Baggy is ok with that kind of thing.


  • #856
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    awec wrote: »
    Huh?

    If you're refused asylum you're not just allowed to travel around the UK.

    Oh you poor misguided ...

    For instance did you ever hear of the Nigerian taxi driver in Dublin that someone managed to escape from Italy where he was eventually sentenced to 20 years for being a drug trafficker.
    People refused asylum disappear.
    Hell the usually efficient Germans have lost a 100,000 over the last year. :rolleyes:
    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Arrest charge jail anyone spreading radical religious teaching. Arrest charge jail anyone radicalising young people or anyone for example.

    How about telling the ECHR to go fook themselves and just deport recruiters for the likes of ISIS ?

    How about banning any hate speech and teaching from religious institutions.
    Ban the entry of any imman or cleric who has preached hatred in the past.

    Oh and ban the funding of any religious institution by extremist branches of religion ala the Saudi funded wahhabist bile.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #857
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Arrest charge jail anyone spreading radical religious teaching. Arrest charge jail anyone radicalising young people or anyone for example.

    You could say that's what happens and has happened with catholic run schools. I'm all for clamping down on religious influence in this country though.


  • #858
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be nice though if these people were still alive?


    After a while terrorism will destabilise society. The Dublin bombings happened 40 years ago and were rare civilian atrocities in the conflict (none as large as a typical Isis attack). And it's still remembered. If it happened every few months then Dublins city centre would never have recovered.

    So what happens if Isis step up to an attack somewhere to once a month?

    This "era relax" is nonsense.

    Dublin wasn't really affected barring one terrible day really.

    Meanwhile in the North 500 died in 1972 with 3/400 in other years in the 70's.

    If the total deaths were extrapolated to the US you'd be talking 500,000 dead in a period of about 25 years.

    Most people got on with their lives, same as people will now.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #859
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    dav3 wrote: »
    You could say that's what happens and has happened with catholic run schools. I'm all for clamping down on religious influence in this country though.

    It's a little simplistic comparing Catholicism here. It's had its faults I agree. But what the Caliphate teaches is on a completely different level, it's a new level of barbarism.


  • #860
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    jmayo wrote: »
    How about telling the ECHR to go fook themselves and just deport recruiters for the likes of ISIS ?

    How about banning any hate speech and teaching from religious institutions.
    Ban the entry of any imman or cleric who has preached hatred in the past.

    Oh and ban the funding of any religious institution by extremist branches of religion ala the Saudi funded wahhabist bile.

    Is it just Islamic hate speech that should be banned or all religious hate speech?
    Should religions be allowed to preach anything contrary to a nations law?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #861
    Polo_Mint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Arrest charge jail anyone spreading radical religious teaching. Arrest charge jail anyone radicalising young people or anyone for example.

    you would also need to separate and relocate these people living in areas like Molenbeek.

    there is alot of discrimination against people living in these areas which adds fuel to the fire


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  • #862
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Is it just Islamic hate speech that should be banned or all religious hate speech?
    Should religions be allowed to preach anything contrary to a nations law?

    We already have laws we do not use. Like incitement to hatred/violence. That could be a minimum used.


  • #863
    TheHillOfDoom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    What I'd like to know is what the hell do the ****ers want?


  • #864
    stunmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭stunmer


    TheHillOfDoom wrote: »
    What I'd like to know is what the hell do the ****ers want?

    There you go
    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


  • #865
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    34 killed 136 injured, latest tally

    14 @airport
    at least 20 at metro


  • #866
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,160 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    We already have laws we do not use. Like incitement to hatred/violence. That could be a minimum used.

    We also have the defamation act 2009 which contains a blasphemy provision to protect religions from potentially blasphemous statements.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • #867
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    you would also need to separate and relocate these people living in areas like Molenbeek.
    Any male in that area who has been to Syria should be removed and questioned, and anyone living with him. Any unexplained absence from Belgium another black mark.


  • #868
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Confirmed - weapons found near body of attacker


  • #869
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Which is what?

    Fuel for their ideology, its nothing new in terrorism, we've seen it first hand in Irelands past.
    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    The whole ISIS want a reaction is sophmoric crap.

    I disagree, just like any terrorist organisation I believe the whole idea is to get a reaction, the people blowing themselves up might think they are wiping out the non believers one suicide attack at a time but ISIS isn't run by idiots who believe this, they want a reaction to fuel their own ideology among muslims.


  • #870
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    We also have the defamation act 2009 which contains a blasphemy provision to protect religions from potentially blasphemous statements.

    That law need to go. Hatred and violence laws need to stay they are sensible. Remind us again what Religion here threatened to use that law recently ? it was not Christians.


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  • #871
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    It's a little simplistic comparing Catholicism here. It's had its faults I agree. But what the Caliphate teaches is on a completely different level, it's a new level of barbarism.

    Catholicism and Christianity has done more damage to this country and the people in it than Islam ever will.

    We can't ban one without banning or reducing the influence of both, or all, and I'm all for reducing the influence of all.


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