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jmayo wrote: »

For once we agree on something.



But what do we do with the child of an immigrant that has turned to fundamentalist terror movements ?

What do we do with the likes of the London bombers
(Mohammad Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Hasib Mir Hussain)
the murderers of Lee Rigby
(Michael Adebolajo, Michael Adebowale)
the Paris Charlie Hebdo attackers
(Chérif and Saïd Kouachi, Amedy Coulibaly)
if they are caught before they carry out their attacks ?

What do you suggest we do with people like these ?

Do you suggest we try giving them some courses to try dissuade them from wanting to slaughter us non muslims ?

Muslims have been proven not to integrate as well as some other groups and all of the above were created in some fashion by that non integration.

Why do people want to introduce even more people into Europe who do not want to integrate and create a vicious cycle where we have even more of the above type of guys.

iguana wrote: »

There are no easy answers about how to solve terrorism like this. Stupid knee-jerk reactions about not allowing refugees and kicking out European muslims will not solve this. They will in fact make it worse. At the same time ignoring the fact that religious communities can use their scriptures to isolate people from the wider community of the country they live in and radicalise them into terrorists. That the level of tolerance we show in Europe sometimes, often goes beyond tolerance and is actually special treatment and it makes our society look weak to people who benefit from seeing that as a weakness.

I believe that one of the first steps in solving this kind of issue is an absolute elimination of allowing special treatment for religious belief. People can be whatever religion they want, they can hang out and worship with those of their own religion and worship together if they do so in a way that bothers nobody else. But beyond that, no special treatment. If you can't wear a head covering in an official/id photo, there is to be no exception for religious reasons. If headcoverings are forbidden in certain premises, like banks, there is to be no exception for hijabs or turbans. If you want to get your son circumcised, tough, if it's medically necessary that's different but if it's because it's written in some millenia old document, then no, your son keeps his foreskin. Have an issue with women wearing trousers and short skirts? Keep it to yourself, if groups start to harrass women on the streets of certain neighbourhoods then the police need to be a massive on foot presence in those areas until the message gets through that this shít won't be tolerated. Does your workplace forbid necklaces? Then no you can't wear your cross, Star of David, pentagram, whatever. This isn't discrimination, it's removal of special treatment. Want religious schooling for your kids? Then pay for it yourself, it's not the state's job to pay for religious indoctrination of children. Not any religion, no matter how it has always been done. And if a religious group does fund a religious school, or a family homeschools for religious reasons, then Tusla/Ofsted/appropriate body of that country need to be performing ongoing checks and ensuring that the children know the difference between the worth of modern scientific theory versus best guess of an imaginative bronze age dweller when it comes to explaining the universe. No special permission for religious call to prayers to breach noise pollution laws or given special place in state broadcasts. No opening a business and thinking your religion gives you special permission to ignore discrimination legislation. Everyone is to be treated equally. Genuinely equally. Because allowing religious groups special status is a part of what has led to this. It's not the only cause, but it has played it's part and if we want to have any chance of stopping such attacks, we need to eliminate every cause. Tolerance for private belief should be absolute, special treatment needs to end.

Alongside that we have to, as nations, stop contributing to the complete and total breakdown of societies where many of these immigrants have come from. (First and foremost because it's fúcking murder and the people of Syria deserved to be allowed live peaceful lives in their home country. And while the conflict there has many causes, Europe and America have played their part in causing and worsening it.) Even though the terrorists are usually second and third generation immigrants and themselves European citizens, conflicts involving their 'brethren' are used as justification. The massive destabilisation of the Middle East can't not have knock on effects for Europe. So implementing real ways to help people live safely in their homes is necessary to stopping what is happening here. Ceasing weapons sales, smart sanctions against despotic regimes and no more carpet bombing which results in significant 'collateral damage.'