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  • #782
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    dav3 wrote: »
    This stuff has been going on long before you were born and will continue long after you're dead.

    You see that attitude that is the problem. Apathy is of no benefit to situations like this.


  • #783
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    Because people seem to think there is no motive behind these attacks, and I'm pointing out that there are. I'm also trying to illustrate a level of hypocrisy between how we treat the murder of civilians differently depending on what part of the world those civilians are from.

    1) you are assuming Isis is rationally attacking civs because of ideas you would like them to have. This seems like a response to the arrest of the Paris suspect yesterday. I doubt that if the west left the ME (which it should do) that these attacks will diminish.
    2) we should report more on us and other western countries atrocities of course. Unfortunately the modern left is more concerned with American identity politics than anti-US imperialism.

    If Isis just wants withdrawal from the ME it's a containable force. (However withdrawing will allow Isis go commit genocide so it's not a simple calculation). But I doubt it. I think they want what they say - a worldwide caliphate.

    They chose Paris in part because of a belief that clubs are sinful.


  • #784
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Where-ever Islam goes, chaos, terror and destruction usually follows. The problems of the middle east are being imported into Europe now, the main one being Islam.

    Suicide bombs, terror attacks, the works, always follow where Islam goes. It doesn't matter if the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. The problem is their religion, not the practisers.

    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.


  • #785
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    metro station 20 confirmed dead 106 injured

    Jesus. Worse than I thought.


  • #786
    posturingpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭posturingpat


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.

    They were tricking you, they had an elaborate ploy to turn you to the darkside but you got out just in time. Them dam Malaysians.


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  • #787
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    posturingpat wrote: »
    They were tricking you, they had an elaborate ploy to turn you to the darkside but you got out just in time. Them dam Malaysians.

    Yeah I know that now thanks to the great well rounded/travelled people of Boards. ;)


  • #788
    Internet Ham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Internet Ham


    awec wrote: »
    Ireland has no land border with mainland Europe. It is relatively hard and risky to get to for these people.

    Were MI5 not monitoring people over here because of how good a beachhead Ireland was? Or am I mistaken?


  • #789
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,807 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Turkey deals with this ongoing and it's the last thing on the news.


  • #790
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I've already answered... they are as helpless as we are.

    Not entirely true that is it. It's expected in many muslim communitys to look after their own first and foremost and even if they are doing wrong to either turn a blind eye or tell the local Imam rather than the authorities. Not all of them of course but it is an issue.


  • #791
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    dav3 wrote: »
    Enough of the hysteria. Dublin has been hit by far worse than this in the past.

    There's far more important things going on in this country than getting hysterical over a very small chance of a terrorist attack.

    Are you referring to the Dublin bombings?

    I woukd say the chances of terrorist attacks in Europe are very high anywhere. The chances of an individual being attacked are low.


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  • #792
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Good read on Forbes on exactly what ISIS goals are with attacks like these.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2016/03/22/brussels-attacks-how-the-terrorists-want-you-to-react/#3c5b03834520


  • #793
    Niemoj
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Niemoj


    So sad, rip to those lost.


  • #794
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.

    Just the right time to see the trial of Anwar Ibrahim and his subsequent imprisoned for...Sodomy if I recall correctly?


  • #795
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Turkey deals with this ongoing and it's the last thing on the news.

    Turkey is not as close as Belgium.


  • #796
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.

    So sad it's changing

    There is a high threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. In January 2016, the Malaysian police said the country was on the highest security alert; from time to time the police presence increases in public areas.
    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/malaysia/terrorism


  • #797
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    awec wrote: »
    Ireland has no land border with mainland Europe. It is relatively hard and risky to get to for these people.

    Plenty of illegal immigrants come to the UK, apply for asylum, and when they get refused they come to Ireland via NI. Its been happening for some time and its still ongoing. So now we have all these undesirables who failed to qualify for asylum for whatever reason coming to live in Ireland, totally undocumented.


  • #798
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,090 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Plenty of illegal immigrants come to the UK, apply for asylum, and when they get refused they come to Ireland via NI. Its been happening for some time and its still ongoing. So now we have all these undesirables who failed to qualify for asylum for whatever reason coming to live in Ireland, totally undocumented.

    Huh?

    If you're refused asylum you're not just allowed to travel around the UK.


  • #799
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Internet Ham wrote: »
    You see that attitude that is the problem. Apathy is of no benefit to situations like this.

    After the Dublin and Monaghan bombings life went on. We didn't deport all British or Protestant people, the country's citizens continued to live their lives.

    Rocking yourself back and forth in the corner thinking we're all going to die is not healthy.


  • #800
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    Good read on Forbes on exactly what ISIS goals are with attacks like these.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2016/03/22/brussels-attacks-how-the-terrorists-want-you-to-react/#3c5b03834520

    It's a very American argument to a Belgium problem and he's basically saying "do nothing"


  • #801
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Plenty of illegal immigrants come to the UK, apply for asylum, and when they get refused they come to Ireland via NI. Its been happening for some time and its still ongoing. So now we have all these undesirables who failed to qualify for asylum for whatever reason coming to live in Ireland, totally undocumented.

    Do you know how the asylum process works?


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  • #802
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    dav3 wrote: »
    Do you know how the asylum process works?

    Yes,say you are from Syria,and your good to go.


  • #803
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    So sad it's changing

    There is a high threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places visited by foreigners. In January 2016, the Malaysian police said the country was on the highest security alert; from time to time the police presence increases in public areas.
    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/malaysia/terrorism

    Might change. It's hasn't yet. The warning is precautionary.

    As your link says "There is considered to be a heightened threat of terrorist attack globally against UK interests and British nationals, from groups or individuals motivated by the conflict in Iraq and Syria."

    I would still feel perfectly safe in Malaysia. Most westerners would.


  • #804
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    It's a very American argument to a Belgium problem and he's basically saying "do nothing"

    I don't think its an argument or an article aimed at providing a solution, its an opinion on ISIS goals with these attacks and its limited to that.


  • #805
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    dav3 wrote: »
    After the Dublin and Monaghan bombings life went on. We didn't deport all British or Protestant people, the country's citizens continued to live their lives.

    Rocking yourself back and forth in the corner thinking we're all going to die is not healthy.

    Wouldn't it be nice though if these people were still alive?


    After a while terrorism will destabilise society. The Dublin bombings happened 40 years ago and were rare civilian atrocities in the conflict (none as large as a typical Isis attack). And it's still remembered. If it happened every few months then Dublins city centre would never have recovered.

    So what happens if Isis step up to an attack somewhere to once a month?

    This "era relax" is nonsense.


  • #806
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Might change. It's hasn't yet. The warning is precautionary.

    As your link says "There is considered to be a heightened threat of terrorist attack globally against UK interests and British nationals, from groups or individuals motivated by the conflict in Iraq and Syria."

    I would still feel perfectly safe in Malaysia. Most westerners would.
    Well I'll take more heed of an updated "precautionary warning" from an official body over your 5 year old anecdote


  • #807
    kupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.

    give it time Baggy, give it time. These things dont happen overnight.


  • #808
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    That's odd. I lived in Malaysia for over a year between 2010 and 2011.

    Malaysia is an Islamic country since the 15 century.

    I saw no suicide bombs, terror attacks, chaos, destruction or "the works".

    What gives?

    I did notice the Malaysian people were very friendly and seemed obsessed only with family, food and shopping.

    Go to Penang and ask Malaysian Chinese if they are treated equally with Muslim Malays, in private and once you know someone well enough to trust you with giving you their true opinion. If you don't have anyone to talk to, the first clue will be when you land at the airport: all the official staff and the police are Muslim Malay, which seems a bit strange as the population of Penang is a very large majority of non-Muslims Chinese (who have more restricted access to education and very limited access to public jobs, which explains the airport situation).

    And the different communities haven't exactly coexisted peacefully either:
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_race_riots_in_Singapore
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_May_Incident

    Singapore was very much separated from the rest of Malaysia for racial and religious reasons.


  • #809
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Couple of things, Now we get to wait to see if it was Refugees. Or was it 3rd generation radicalised nut jobs. Is this now becoming just a crusade against western culture and Values ? Is Europe getting the brunt as they cannot get to the USA ? If this is home grown there needs to be a massive crack down on dodgy religious teachers and long jail time for people radicalising or radical teaching. Also how can we tackle a community hiding and protecting these individuals ?


  • #810
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Wow. What a reach to try and put words in someone's mouth.

    I don't think "Muslims" are a homogenous group that supports these actions, I was meant to meet a friend of mine last week who's a western convert to Islam, I don't think him and his westernised highly trained professional wife are anything but victims of these type of actions.
    I do think if your going to make a comparison with the IRA you need to look at the comparison your making not simply say it because it sounds good
    I do think there is obviously an issue in self isolated Muslim communities that are apart from mainstream society and with migration patterns this is obviously going to increase


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  • #811
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    I don't think its an argument or an article aimed at providing a solution, its an opinion on ISIS goals with these attacks and its limited to that.

    Nearly all of these arguments ignore that terrorism is also about economic damage. The IRA were very clear on that. They attacked the city (with a warning) at one stage between ceasefires.

    That bomb would have killed thousands during work hours ( it did kill a few night workers). And it devastated the city. Some think it brought the British to the negotiating table.

    If ISIS get that capacity London is doomed. Except there is nothing to negotiate.

    EDIT: it wasn't night time it was Saturday. 40 people injured (because it was Saturday and they warned) but £1B in damages.

    With that capability Isis could destroy the economist of most European cities (they wouldn't give a warning).


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