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Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 02:30PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

When did you stop beating your wife?

The last vestige of a long lost argument

Internet Ham · 22-03-2016 02:30PM

When Dublin inevitably is hit by something like this, I wonder how many opinions on here will do a 180.

thattequilagirl · 22-03-2016 02:31PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

As far as I can see here this is an apology for killing white people (in reality Europeans of any colour) because a western country (not 100% white either ) is engaged in imperialism.

It seems like the kind of generalisations you don't apply anywhere else. All western people are responsible for us imperialism. Or something. Therefore all are legitimate targets.

It doesn't make sense to say it's okay when we bomb their kids but it's not okay when they bomb ours.

My position is that both are wrong, you've interpreted that as both are equally acceptable- that's on you.

thomil · 22-03-2016 02:31PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Can someone remind me how many drone strikes Belgium carried out last year?

Not drone strikes, but they had 6 F-16s operating out of Jordan for operations against Daesh until July 2015.

Eugene Norman · 22-03-2016 02:32PM

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Okay, so remind me what the objective for the wars in Iraq were?

It was a neo conservative takeover of the US government to destabilise Iraq based on lies about WMD.

What's the point of this whataboutary. Do you think that Isis are upset about saddam Hussein?

Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 02:33PM

long range shooter wrote:

Nope,you are clearly not answering my question. When is muslim communities going to deal with extremists in their own communities?

I've already answered... they are as helpless as we are.

inforfun · 22-03-2016 02:34PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

Merkel won Time person of the year 2015 as the populace of Europe cried foul over her mad immigration policies. That really angered me.

http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year-2015-angela-merkel/

weldoninhio wrote: »

If I remember reading correctly another German won it in 1938

Yeah, Time Person of the Year isnt always a price to be proud of. Bin Laden "won" it too.
It is not a Nobel price

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Running in fear of their lives from them. Preaching against them in Western countries. Why is it the responsibility of Muslims alone to stop them?

Well, they could stop inviting imans like these 2 into their Western European mosques:

No 1
No 2

They could stop putting their kids through Koran school every summer where the language is anything but the language of the country they live in, because the "teacher" is some backwards twat from the home country.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-03-2016 02:34PM

Listening to the radio it seems the EU establishment are rattled in their plush offices in Brussels

thattequilagirl · 22-03-2016 02:34PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It was a neo conservative takeover of the US government to destabilise Iraq based on lies about WMD.

What's the point of this whataboutary. Do you think that Isis are upset about saddam Hussein?

I think the young men they are recruiting probably are, yes. They're probably not shedding tears over Saddam himself, but over the utter destruction of Iraq and the senseless murder of tens of thousands.

And it was screamer who brought up objectives, not me - I was just responding to the point...

Eugene Norman · 22-03-2016 02:35PM

thattequilagirl wrote: »

It doesn't make sense to say it's okay when we bomb their kids but it's not okay when they bomb ours.

My position is that both are wrong, you've interpreted that as both are equally acceptable- that's on you.

I have a problem with the word "we" here. For someone who doesn't want to generalise you seem to actually want to generalise.

And it is you making the false dilemma not me. This atrocity happened but then, with minor condemnations, you bring up another American drone atrocity (actually a Saudi war against the Shia probably supported by ISIS).

Most people would condemn both so why bring it up.

long range shooter · 22-03-2016 02:35PM

sup_dude wrote: »

I've already answered... they are as helpless as we are.

Muslims in Denmark doesnt seem like their are helpless?
Or did i miss somethng?

Easca Peasca · 22-03-2016 02:36PM

Where does the death toll stand currently? Last I heard was 34.

wes · 22-03-2016 02:36PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

So basically unless all the religions in the world have one single leader there are no religious leaders,

I never said there were no leaders, but rather there are multiple leaders. Your ability to ignore what I actually say is rather astonishing.

Eugene Norman wrote: »

even one who is the religious leader of 1B people.

A leader of one Christian sect.......

Eugene Norman wrote: »

And yet you say the differential between a party and a religion is that the party has one single leader (which is also wrong as there have been dual leaders). And parties can be tiny.

Dual leaders would hardly be the norm.

Eugene Norman wrote: »

No point in arguing this further. Religions do have leaders.

I said they have multiple leaders :rolleyes:.

thattequilagirl · 22-03-2016 02:38PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I have a problem with the word "we" here. For someone who doesn't want to generalise you seem to actually want to generalise.

And it is you making the false dilemma not me. This atrocity happened but then, with mint condemnations, you bring up another American drone atrocity (actually a Saudi war against the Shia probably supported by ISIS).

Most people would condemn both so why bring it up.

Because people seem to think there is no motive behind these attacks, and I'm pointing out that there are. I'm also trying to illustrate a level of hypocrisy between how we treat the murder of civilians differently depending on what part of the world those civilians are from.

leakyboots · 22-03-2016 02:38PM

106 injured, 20 dead at the train station. 14 killed at the airport. A third, undetonated, suicide vest found at the airport, controlled explosion carried out on it.

Royal Palace has not been evacuated, that's a rumour

dav3 · 22-03-2016 02:38PM

Internet Ham wrote: »

When Dublin inevitably is hit by something like this, I wonder how many opinions on here will do a 180.

Enough of the hysteria. Dublin has been hit by far worse than this in the past.

There's far more important things going on in this country than getting hysterical over a very small chance of a terrorist attack.

wes · 22-03-2016 02:38PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Do you think that Isis are upset about saddam Hussein?

ISIS leadership are made up of Saddam former officers:

How Saddam Hussein's former military officers and spies are controlling Isis

Draw your own conclusions.

Eugene Norman · 22-03-2016 02:39PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Listening to the radio it seems the EU establishment are rattled in their plush offices in Brussels

Haha.

It's true that if Isis keep up attacks on Belgium airports and trains that some of the uber mensch of the European deep state might get affected. As long as it's dead proles they don't care but attitudes might change now in the corridors of power.

inforfun · 22-03-2016 02:39PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Listening to the radio it seems the EU establishment are rattled in their plush offices in Brussels

Van Rompuy and Verhofstadt seeing on the front door what they created as prime-ministers of Belgium
These 2 are extremely low on my list of people i feel sorry for.

unkel · 22-03-2016 02:41PM

So how do we prevent slightly retarded misfits, petty criminals who have failed in life from being indoctrinated that if they blow themselves up, 70 virgins will await them in paradise?

Polo_Mint · 22-03-2016 02:42PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It was a neo conservative takeover of the US government to destabilise Iraq based on lies about WMD.

What's the point of this whataboutary. Do you think that Isis are upset about saddam Hussein?

Wasnt Bush quoted as saying " God told him to do it " ?

HE said it was a Crusade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzjCHlRA_Yc

Internet Ham · 22-03-2016 02:42PM

dav3 wrote: »

Enough of the hysteria. Dublin has been hit by far worse than this in the past.

There's far more important things going on in this country than getting hysterical over a very small chance of a terrorist attack.

Hardly hysteric. I am sure some Belgian was saying the same thing on a forum yesterday. Agreed, there are more important direct issues going on for us but I am sick of seeing this stuff.

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 02:42PM

metro station 20 confirmed dead 106 injured

Irish Praetorian · 22-03-2016 02:44PM

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Because people seem to think there is no motive behind these attacks, and I'm pointing out that there are. I'm also trying to illustrate a level of hypocrisy between how we treat the murder of civilians differently depending on what part of the world those civilians are from.

Is that not part of the problem though? Say what you will for the deaths caused by the drone war, it hasn't been the families and friends of the victims undertaking campaigns of vengeance in Europe has it? It's been the 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims in European countries caring so damn much about people dying half way around the world in wars that began more than a decade ago and ended half a decade ago, that they feel the best recourse is to kill some more people. Maybe you should wonder why these people care so much?

inforfun · 22-03-2016 02:45PM

unkel wrote: »

So how do we prevent slightly retarded misfits, petty criminals who have failed in life from being indoctrinated that if they blow themselves up, 70 virgins will await them in paradise?

We just keep hugging them, keep throwing money at them and expect nothing in return.

And of course keep saying it is all our fault.

Has been the modus operandi for the last decades in the Netherlands in any case and well..... didnt that work fantastic.

dav3 · 22-03-2016 02:46PM

Internet Ham wrote: »

Hardly hysteric. I am sure some Belgian was saying the same thing on a forum yesterday. Agreed, there are more important direct issues going on for us but I am sick of seeing this stuff.

This stuff has been going on long before you were born and will continue long after you're dead.

BorneTobyWilde · 22-03-2016 02:46PM

US had no problem dropping an atomic bomb on a Japanese city killing thousands and thousands of innocent people, but they refuse to attack ISIS with any force. A little air strike here and there. SAD
World is too PC. Isis control areas the size of Ireland, Flatten these areas full stop !

K-9 · 22-03-2016 02:46PM

listermint wrote: »

You are 100% correct, but you are also incorrect in saying that they were indiscriminate.

Id imagine you know full well that they went about it purposefully to disrupt the economy and business not to target innocents.

The comparisons are flawed but you know that already.

And no im not being all misty eyed, they were terrorists but thats where the comparisons end.

I know the IRA used proxy bombs, now used by ISIS in Syria.
proxy bomb

I know they bombed restaurants and bars on Bloody Friday.
A shopping centre in Warrington.

You might hand wave that away because it was for the cause you agree with but if you are an IRA excuser, you suffer cognitive dissonance when it comes to terrorists, being "gentleman terrorists" isn't a get out clause.

If ISIS bombs one day and the IRA the next, what's the difference?

FalconGirl · 22-03-2016 02:48PM

dav3 wrote: »

Enough of the hysteria. Dublin has been hit by far worse than this in the past.

There's far more important things going on in this country than getting hysterical over a very small chance of a terrorist attack.

The nothing to see here move along hysteria is just as bad imo. Somwhere in the middle there is a balance. We have a real problem here. I'd put securing our borders high up the list of 'important things going on in our country'.

long range shooter · 22-03-2016 02:49PM

dav3 wrote: »

Enough of the hysteria. Dublin has been hit by far worse than this in the past.

There's far more important things going on in this country than getting hysterical over a very small chance of a terrorist attack.

Yes lets forget about terrorist and go back and pretend it never happened.
thats really the best solution.
Thats how most politicians think these days.

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