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  • #632
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    tigger123 wrote: »
    The current approach isn't working and needs to be rethought.

    More efforts need to be made by all communities.

    More mindless babble.

    The words "rethought", "approach", "efforts" are political babblespeak for "we haven't a f-ing clue"


  • #633
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Straight Edge Punk wrote: »
    You do know it's OK to completely condemn these attacks and blame their religion without being racist or bigoted right?

    I was referring to the racists and bigots posting in this thread. Not people condemning the attacks.

    If you want to use this attack to have a go at Islam, go right ahead, as long as it's an intelligent, rational and reasonable comment. The majority aren't.

    When you have people saying that any follower of Islam in Europe should be put to death, it's obviously going to be challenged. The same applies to people wanting to deport people simply for having a darker skin colour than they do.


  • #634
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,061 ✭✭✭conorhal


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    When has that ever worked?

    Well a load of Scots mass migrated to the Noth East of Ireland in the 1600's and they integrated pretty well! Probably thanks to their shared celtic culture and the fact that they were also Christan. It might prove only slightly more difficult to integrate those of the Muslim faith because the differences are more stark but I think it can be done!

    Yours,

    Pollyanna.


  • #635
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    He didn't use the word "all" once in his post.

    Don't misrepresent what people are saying.

    No misrepresentation at all, he used the term "Muslims", as opposed to an organization like ISIS. Pretty clear inference.


  • #636
    Polo_Mint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    No one is talking about getting rid of Muslims.

    But talking about preventing more from coming is not bigoted. It's just common sense.

    wow...

    So you think people should be turned away from visiting Ireland due to there Religion and that not bigoted?


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  • #637
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Liberosis wrote: »
    Are there any EU countries not listed there?

    Liechtenstein? ;)


  • #638
    Straight Edge Punk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Straight Edge Punk


    dav3 wrote: »
    I was referring to the racists and bigots posting in this thread. Not people condemning the attacks.

    If you want to use this attack to have a go at Islam, go right ahead, as long as it's an intelligent, rational and reasonable comment. The majority aren't.

    When you have people saying that any follower of Islam in Europe should be put to death, it's obviously going to be challenged. The same applies to people wanting to deport people simply for having a darker skin colour than they do.

    Has anybody in this thread said either of those things?


  • #639
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    wes wrote: »
    So again a political party, is an organization that has a leader, a religion is comprised of various sects, with varying beliefs, and no single leadership. If you think these 2 things are comparable, then its safe to say you have no idea what your talking about.

    To be fair in terms of not knowing what you are talking about the idea that religions can't have a single leadership is right up there.


  • #640
    An Riabhach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭An Riabhach


    Keep hearing stuff like "...Terrorism will never win."
    Every time these evil bastards succeed in committing mass murder,they DO win.

    Siúl leat, siúl leat, le dóchas i do chroí, is ní shiúlfaidh tú i d'aonar go deo.



  • #641
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Straight Edge Punk wrote: »
    Has anybody in this thread said either of those things?

    Yes, and as I said before, just because you haven't seen the posts, does not mean they never happened.


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  • #642
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    tigger123 wrote: »

    Young Islamic people being radicalized online then acting on their own initiative.

    Better integration coupled with better funded intelligence agencies is what's needed.

    Until the fuel used to radicalize is stopped, no level of security will stop this in my opinion.
    Western bombs and western backed campaigns will continue to fuel the anti-Western ideologies like ISIS.


  • #643
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭tigger123


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    More mindless babble.

    The words "rethought", "approach", "efforts" are political babblespeak for "we haven't a f-ing clue"

    What would your suggestion be then? Because what's being done at the moment clearly isn't working.


  • #644
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    You know, rather that banning people for making stupid statements in this thread, why can't they be challenged on it and let their arguments be taken apart?


  • #645
    Straight Edge Punk
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Straight Edge Punk


    dav3 wrote: »
    Yes, and as I said before, just because you haven't seen the posts, does not mean they never happened.

    That makes no sense. Can you show me posts like this please?


  • #646
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    Some people here seem to have difficulty grasping the very basic distinction between wanting to get rid of Islamic terrorism and wanting to get rid of Muslims full stop.

    Wanting the first is normal. Wanting the second makes you a bigoted idiot, not someone being oppressed by "PC gone mad".

    No-one has any problems with Muslims. A lot of people have problems with their religion/cult. It is a dangerous, violent, oppressive cult, regardless what anyone says. No-one believes the bull**** about it being the "religion of peace".

    If over a billion muslims worship an essentially dangerous, lethal cult, they need to take responsibility for that fact. In essence, they are acting as passive enablers at best, and cheerleaders for a violent cult at worst.


  • #647
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    wow...

    So you think people should be turned away from visiting Ireland due to there Religion and that not bigoted?

    He presumably means immigrating to Europe.


  • #648
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    We live in interesting times that's for sure but unfortunately I can't see anything changing anytime soon. We have god knows how many Islamic terrorists in Europe now a lot will have come in among genuine refuges the last year but in general Europe is a very soft target compared to the US or Australia. We'll be hearing a lot more of these kind of attacks on the mainland within the next few months. Hopefully these savages don't make it over here but let's face it security at our borders is laughable and doesn't inspire confidence.


  • #649
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    sunshine and showers wrote: »
    I sincerely hope this is some poor taste humour.

    If you think a terrorist attack is funny,then be my guest.
    My point is that politicians have been warned time and time again about ISIS might be using refugees as a cover to bring terrorists into Europe,and still nothing is happening,just hordes of refugees coming with no control whatsoever.
    This just had to happen,and this is probably just the beginning.


  • #650
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    tigger123 wrote: »
    The attacks today are probably another case of leaderless jihad. No amount of deportations or carpet bombing will be able to prevent it.

    Young Islamic people being radicalized online then acting on their own initiative.

    Better integration coupled with better funded intelligence agencies is what's needed.

    What's surprising is how well integrated most Europeans who fight for ISIS are. Usually born in Europe, good education, middle class background.


  • #651
    Liberosis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    conorhal wrote: »
    Well a load of Scots mass migrated to the Noth East of Ireland in the 1600's and they integrated pretty well! Probably thanks to their shared celtic culture and the fact that they were also Christan. It might prove only slightly more difficult to integrate those of the Muslim faith because the differences are more stark but I think it can be done!

    Yours,

    Pollyanna.

    If your referring to the Ulster plantation then as a matter of fact they did not integrate very well, religion being one of the main reasons.


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  • #652
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    seamus wrote: »
    You forgot Oslo, 2011. 77 dead.
    .

    One independent maniac does not a systematic conspiracy to commit atrocities across the globe make.


  • #653
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Liberosis wrote: »
    If your referring to the Ulster plantation then as a matter of fact they did not integrate very well, religion being one of the main reasons.

    I think that was his point.


  • #654
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    To be fair in terms of not knowing what you are talking about the idea that religions can't have a single leadership is right up there.

    A single sect can have a leader, but any major religions has multiple sects, and multiple leaders. Can you name a major world Religion that has one leader and no other sects?


  • #655
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    wes wrote: »
    A single sect can have a leader, but any major religions has multiple sects, and multiple leaders. Can you name a major world Religion that has one leader and no other sects?

    Buddhism?


  • #656
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    wow...

    So you think people should be turned away from visiting Ireland due to there Religion and that not bigoted?

    Not due to their religion. Due to the likelihood of them blowing people up.


  • #657
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Looks like the EU has come a cropper.

    UKIP’s defence spokesman Mike Hookem has blamed the terrorist attacks in Brussels on the EU’s Schengen free movement agreement. In a statement written from his office in the European Parliament in responce to the bombings at Zaventum airport, Hookem says that the Schengen Area is a threat to our security.

    Here’s the statement,

    “This horrific act of terrorism shows that the Schengen free movement and lax border controls are a threat to our security. The head of Eurpol said in February that 5000 jihadists are at large in the EU having slipped in from Syria. There are 94 returned jihadists currently living in Molenbeek, Brussels. This fact alone should alert people to the fact that open borders are putting the lives of European citizens at risk.”

    The Schengen Area is a passportless zone that allows free movement between EU countries. It is part of EU law and all new EU member are obliged to join it.


  • #658
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,879 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    This is awful, awful news, when is it bloody going to stop, will it ever stop.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #659
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    I think that was his point.

    It wasn't a very good point. It sounded like a poor argument against his own position.


  • #660
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    You know, rather that banning people for making stupid statements in this thread, why can't they be challenged on it and let their arguments be taken apart?

    Because they ignore counter argument and just keep repeating the same nonsense endlessly.


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  • #661
    stunmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭stunmer


    So true

    https://twitter.com/SamHarrisSays/status/712245459125968896


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