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gobsh!te · 22-03-2016 01:09PM

biko wrote: »

So did anyone claim the bombings yet? Or are we just wildly blaming muslims?

You think a group of Atheists could be behind it?

gobsh!te · 22-03-2016 01:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The people who did this are a minority, they do pose a big risk,

Only 3% of Germans were Nazis....now p!ss off

Some of us are sick of this sh!t

JPNelsforearm · 22-03-2016 01:10PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But true "Native Americans" have brown skin don't ya know.

What does that even mean? Of course, every "American" is a settler, they are of mixed European stock, so a first generation Irish immigrant of Irish parents is Irish, no matter what.

Bob24 · 22-03-2016 01:10PM

gobsh!te wrote: »

You think a group of Atheists could be behind it?

French fries extremists ... they could never accept chips are actually Belgian.

Atlantic Dawn · 22-03-2016 01:11PM

biko wrote: »

So did anyone claim the bombings yet? Or are we just wildly blaming muslims?

They don't normally use a codeword in a phonecall from a P O'Neill type character to Tommy Gorman to claim responsibility.

22-03-2016 01:11PM

biko wrote: »

So did anyone claim the bombings yet? Or are we just wildly blaming muslims?

Suppose it could be a bunch of Anders Brevik supporters angry at his treatment in prison.

sunshine and showers · 22-03-2016 01:11PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Can people calm down a bit in here, 26 people dead, 130 injured and death toll will rise by all accounts.

The people who did this are a minority, they do pose a big risk, but lets not get our brushes out and tar everyone from a certain background as being the problem.
I remember growing up and will be 40 next month, when England would be attacked by the IRA, it felt so shameful that people who say they are Irish were doing this and acting without any mandate from Irish people to do so.
I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who feel like how I felt back then, when people were doing something in our name but without the mandate for such violence.
We need to do what is right in the time of despair, not make the problem bigger by alienating good people who are ashamed of what people do in their name.
Irish people should understand this, I know I felt the shame of what people did in our name through acts of terrorism.

It's not often we agree, Robert, but - Nail. Head.

Shurimgreat · 22-03-2016 01:12PM

Short of nuking Raqqa and Mosul, there's not a whole lot the west can do to defeat IS. This is going to be a long term problem.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 01:12PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

What does that even mean? Of course, every "American" is a settler, they are of mixed European stock, so a first generation Irish immigrant of Irish parents is Irish, no matter what.

No, if you are born in a country then thay is where you are from. I was born in England and have lived in Ireland for over 30 years, I am English, my children were born in Ireland, they are Irish.

mr_been · 22-03-2016 01:12PM

thattequilagirl wrote: »

If you use this horrific terrorist attack to justify your hatred of over a billion people who follow Islam, well done on playing right into the hands of the terrorists. Creating fear and division is exactly what they want- emotional responses that will make non-Muslims hate normal, peaceful Muslims to justify their ideology and create an alienated environment for young Muslim men where ISIS recruiters can then thrive.

Don't give them that.

The waiter in the Lebanese restaurant didn't do this.

The Pakistani guy running a small shop in town didn't do this.

Your neighbours from Tunisia didn't do this.

Your Syrian colleague didn't do this.

Hate the terrorists, by all means. I do. But don't give them what they want.

serious question as id like to really know

who told you ( or the west ) that we will play into the hands of ISIS - terrorists if we become more guarded about islamic immigration etc

i dont watch enough current affairs programes , has an ISIS spokesperson come out and said that this is what they want , how do we know what they want ?

conorhal · 22-03-2016 01:13PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Paris attacker Salah Abdeslam was born in Brussels, so again, how would rounding up migrants and sending them "back where they came from" stop these attacks?

It won't, it will stop the next ones however when a generation from now the unintegrated mass of migrants arriving from the Middle East has trebbled itself, consolidated into massive ghettos and picks up the batton of islamist extremism. What is your proposal, compound the mistatakes already made and double down on them?

Nodin · 22-03-2016 01:13PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Short of nuking Raqqa and Mosul, there's not a whole lot the west can do to defeat IS. This is going to be a long term problem.

I doubt nuking them would do much good tbh.

Liberosis · 22-03-2016 01:13PM

biko wrote: »

So did anyone claim the bombings yet? Or are we just wildly blaming muslims?

BBC: "No group has said it was behind the attacks but Belgium's Interior Minister Jan Jambon said on Monday that there was a threat from revenge attacks after the capture of Salah Abdeslam."

I guess people are just connecting the dots.

wes · 22-03-2016 01:13PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

These are extenuating circumstances.

So blame every single person in a group, regardless of whether they were involved in a crime or not, that a pretty stupid system, and entirely unworkable in a democratic system. Only dictators and racist/bigoted states are able to engage in open ethnic cleansing. See the most recent example of ISIS ethnic cleansing/Genocide of Christians and Yazidi's from the area's they control.

Atlantic Dawn · 22-03-2016 01:14PM

Anyone watching Fox News now, it's rather insane, makes this thread look very reasonable.

jmayo · 22-03-2016 01:14PM

seamus wrote: »

You forgot Oslo, 2011. 77 dead.

Oh wait, that wasn't a Muslim attack. Never mind, it didn't happen.

Religion is a vehicle. If Christianity was the majority religion in the regions these terrorists come from, these killings would be occurring in the name of Christianity.

Focussing all of your ire on Islam is rather pointless, it won't solve any issues. And experience teaches us over and over that when you attack or attempt to suppress a specific ideology, it becomes violent and dangerous.

Good man,
Lets have the whataboutery. :rolleyes:
You are a bit late though as someone has already got in comparing ISIS/al-qaeda to PIRA.

In case it has escaped you, islam has been violent and dangerous for non islamic people for over a thousand years.

And before you get back at the old whataboutery ...
yes most religions were the same at one stage.

The thing is most other religions have matured to point where their preachers and clerics aren't still touting death to apostates as a solution.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well I have Muslim friends, have been to their homes, meet on a regular basis with them. As I said before it'd a tiny minority who cause this not everyone. A bomb went off in the North last week, should all catholics be tarred with the terrorist label now? How about all Irish people?

Have you ever thought your nice muslim friends are actually the tiny minority who don't see us non muslims as the enemy.

K-9 wrote: »

The IRA were terrorists, of course it's comparable. Irish Republicans who wanted a United Ireland but terrorists all the same

Proxy bomb tactics used by the IRA are used in Syria . Bombing people eating in restaurants and pubs was the IRA.

Let's not get all misty eyed because they were Irish and it's 1916. An indiscriminate bomb is an indiscriminate bomb even if it has shamrocks and a tricolour on top.

Well done on the whataboutery.
I can't believe you have me ion some way defending PIRA, but comparing them to ISIS/al-qaeda shows how little you know about either subject.

Yes they were terrorists, but comparing them to islamic fundamentalists like al-qaeda/ISIS is like comparing the Nazis to Napolean's France.

PIRA had stated limited goals (Irish reunification) which didn't include wiping out people in a wholesale fashion.

Islamic fundamentalist terrorists stated goals are to wipe out anyone from western countries, infidels, non believers etc.
ISIS of course have taken it a step further to wipe out fellow muslims who don't share their fundamentalist views.

Did PIRA ever publicly execute people for effect?
Yes we all know they did execute people and dispose of their bodies in a disgusting fashion.

Have islamic fundamentalist terrorists ever contacted authorities in any shape or form with coded message to inform them where bombs were going to be ?

Did PIRA/IRA fighters ever engage in suicide attacks ?

Did PIRA or any IRA engage in continous wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians ?
No because they worried about bad publicity.

And as you damn well know I was infracted/banned for daring to ask a major PIRA supporter, and as par for the course a supporter and excusor of islamic migration and suicide bombers, why he would not condemn the Warrington bombing and death of two innocent children.

So I am no excusor for any of the shyte that PIRA/SF got up to and still get up to truth be told.

Baggy Trousers · 22-03-2016 01:14PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Can people calm down a bit in here, 26 people dead, 130 injured and death toll will rise by all accounts.

The people who did this are a minority, they do pose a big risk, but lets not get our brushes out and tar everyone from a certain background as being the problem.
I remember growing up and will be 40 next month, when England would be attacked by the IRA, it felt so shameful that people who say they are Irish were doing this and acting without any mandate from Irish people to do so.
I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who feel like how I felt back then, when people were doing something in our name but without the mandate for such violence.
We need to do what is right in the time of despair, not make the problem bigger by alienating good people who are ashamed of what people do in their name.
Irish people should understand this, I know I felt the shame of what people did in our name through acts of terrorism.

Well said Sir.

Shurimgreat · 22-03-2016 01:15PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Can people calm down a bit in here, 26 people dead, 130 injured and death toll will rise by all accounts.

The people who did this are a minority, they do pose a big risk, but lets not get our brushes out and tar everyone from a certain background as being the problem.
I remember growing up and will be 40 next month, when England would be attacked by the IRA, it felt so shameful that people who say they are Irish were doing this and acting without any mandate from Irish people to do so.
I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who feel like how I felt back then, when people were doing something in our name but without the mandate for such violence.
We need to do what is right in the time of despair, not make the problem bigger by alienating good people who are ashamed of what people do in their name.
Irish people should understand this, I know I felt the shame of what people did in our name through acts of terrorism.

Maybe so, but its becoming almost a daily if not weekly occurrence at this stage. France twice last year, with other attacks prevented. Turkey has a regular problem with similar attacks. As well as numerous attacks on westerners in North Africa. Now Belgium. Its guaranteed there will be future similar attacks in Europe.

You have to ask the question why tens of thousands of Muslims are attracted to a group like IS? It started out as fringe group but is increasingly attracting recruits.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 01:15PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Short of nuking Raqqa and Mosul, there's not a whole lot the west can do to defeat IS. This is going to be a long term problem.

How would nuking those cities stopped Belgian born people from the Paris attacks?

stunmer · 22-03-2016 01:15PM

seamus wrote: »

Go read the bible. It's full of stuff urging people to murder nonbelievers and committing genocide in the name of god.

The narrative that both the conservatives and the terrorists want you to believe is that Islam is the enemy. That Islam is hell bent on destroying you and your family.

As a book, the Quran is a hateful, disgusting piece of fiction. But so too are the Bible and the Torah and a pile of other religious books.

Being a follower of a particular religion rarely means that someone follows the book that guides it, to the letter. Those that do, are extremists. And they want you to hate their religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N46mIHEGHN0

MonkeyTennis · 22-03-2016 01:15PM

Connecting the dots .. that always works

Eugene Norman · 22-03-2016 01:15PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They don't normally use a codeword in a phonecall from a P O'Neill type character to Tommy Gorman to claim responsibility.

They do claim responsibly though. In some cases.

JPNelsforearm · 22-03-2016 01:15PM

That_Guy wrote: »

This coming from somebody who said this:

So yeah, you can get fúcked.

Touchy, facts hurt, a northern white rhino has more value, crying about humanity when there are what, 7 billion on earth, nearly a half a billion arabs on earth? Cry me a river.

TheHillOfDoom · 22-03-2016 01:17PM

The explosion on the metro, was it in a carriage or in the station?

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 01:17PM

conorhal wrote: »

It won't, it will stop the next ones however when a generation from now the unintegrated mass of migrants arriving from the Middle East has trebbled itself, consolidated into massive ghettos and picks up the batton of islamist extremism. What is your proposal, compound the mistatakes already made and double down on them?

Should immigration on the scale it is happening now (open borders) be stopped?

Yes it should

Should we send someone who has lived here for 30 years away to another land simply because their parents moved here in the 70's?

No we shouldn't.

thomil · 22-03-2016 01:18PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Can people calm down a bit in here, 26 people dead, 130 injured and death toll will rise by all accounts.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Much of this thread has been a cesspit of bigotry and hatred. The irony is that terrorists, like the monsters who carried out these attacks, thrive on divisions, they thrive on an "us-vs.-them" mentality, it is their best recruiting tool. "See, they don't want you, they hate you and your family. Join us, you're welcome here, and we'll help you strike back at these people who've been doing nothing but insulting you and shoving you around!"

So by painting all muslims as terrorists, or all people from one region, as terrorists, those "staunch defenders of western civilisation" are actually acting as accomplices of the attackers, aiding and abetting them. Too bad they aren't perceptive enough to recognise the cruel irony.

JPNelsforearm · 22-03-2016 01:18PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But true "Native Americans" have brown skin don't ya know.

Exactly my point. There is only "one" type of native American the rest are settlers of various extractions. As this lad in Belgium was, he was a settler, an import, not a Belgian.

jon1981 · 22-03-2016 01:19PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How would nuking those cities stopped Belgian born people from the Paris attacks?

Agreed, nuking any muslim location is surely going to incite more extremism from muslims the world over, leading to multiples more of what we are seeing.

These guys are indiscriminate, they bomb public places where you have a mix of creeds/religions ... they don't give a f**k about who they kill, in their f**ked up heads any innocent muslim killed by them in the airport/metro is privileged and will earn a place in heaven having contributed (unknowingly) to the cause.

ThisRegard · 22-03-2016 01:20PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone watching Fox News now, it's rather insane, makes this thread look very reasonable.

Is it ever anything but insane?

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 01:20PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Exactly my point. There is only "one" type of native American the rest are settlers of various extractions. As this lad in Belgium was, he was a settler, an import, not a Belgian.

He

Was

Born

There!

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