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  • #392
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    A bombing like this would have been as big as, or bigger, than the largest IRA bombs in Enniskillan or Birmingham. Standard for Isis. In fact the atrocities will get larger.

    Also what's the beef with Belgium? It's not part of the coalition in Syria?

    id imagine the beef with belgium is that its part of the 'west' Indiscriminate unintelligent targetting. These lads dont have a cause most of them preach all this radical anti west nonsense whilst at the same time drinking taking drugs looking up porn and playing around with women.

    These are people who seem to think they are disenfranchised and the world owes them an existence. They find this calling in such groupings.

    How do you stop it ?


  • #393
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    That actually doesn't make a difference.

    Unless you think European Muslims are inherently more extreme than their Middle Eastern counterparts. Or that migrants are inherently less violent. But those are faulty premises.

    You are missing the point totally Muslims are not the issue here. A small minority within their community is and typically it is a minority that has prior Criminal activity.


  • #394
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    gandalf wrote: »
    Tbh you don't have to look to far into our past to see people reveling in the murder and mutilation that the IRA unleased on the British mainland.

    Even if that were true it's easier to civilise a population of 4 million than 1.5 billion.


  • #395
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    My thoughts are with the families of those killed and maimed and with the people of Belgium and Europe.

    Not quite sure what Belgium has done to provoke this but we can assume it's due to their arrest of one of their citizens who planned and committed mass murder in Paris.

    The whataboutery and comparison with the IRA is questionable. The IRA never claimed any devine justification for their murder. And that's scary because it dosnt stop at the border. It dosnt seek to liberate. This is the last and final inalterable word of god. This is mandated from heaven.

    The IRA were terrorists, of course it's comparable. Irish Republicans who wanted a United Ireland but terrorists all the same

    Proxy bomb tactics used by the IRA are used in Syria . Bombing people eating in restaurants and pubs was the IRA.

    Let's not get all misty eyed because they were Irish and it's 1916. An indiscriminate bomb is an indiscriminate bomb even if it has shamrocks and a tricolour on top.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #396
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    A bombing like this would have been as big as, or bigger, than the largest IRA bombs in Enniskillan or Birmingham. Standard for Isis. In fact the atrocities will get larger.

    Also what's the beef with Belgium? It's not part of the coalition in Syria?

    Belgium has the highest ratio of jihadists per capita in Europe and just arrested a high profile attacker last week.


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  • #397
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,863 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So in your opinion one persons hearsay is enough evidence for you to make up your mind?

    My mind has been made up a while already after a few decades of experience i have with certain parts of cities and their population.
    An interview like that only confirms it.


  • #398
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    To those that insist on making a comparison between this and the IRA let's actually compare it.
    How exactly do we negotiate with them?what demands do they have we can compromise on, look at Sunningdale dialogue through 80's and ceasefire 94.
    If its like the IRA that means there is a serious level of support among the population these protagonists are coming for their goals if not their methods and a large minority turning a blind eye too combatants and a small but real minority giving active support.

    If its a genuine comparison rather than simply disingenuous whataboutery these questions have to be answered.


    Terrorism is terrorism .... At least some believe enough in their cause to blow themself up in the process ... Stop looking for excuses, every human being willing to blow people up should be treated the same ... No matter what ridiculous ideology they support


  • #399
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    gandalf wrote: »
    You are missing the point totally Muslims are not the issue here. A small minority within their community is and typically it is a minority that has prior Criminal activity.

    It's not a small minority. It is a large minority.


  • #400
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Muslims and their support of Sharia and ISIS are at the root of all this. It's the elephant in the room the liberal tree huggers refuse to acknowledge. We are witnessing the rapid destruction of the EU and it's very sad.


  • #401
    Ken Masters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Ken Masters


    Unfortunately when somebody is willing to blow themselves up this can not be policed, This will continue to happen as long as these people are brainwashed into believing that normal innocent people are the enemy, And whats scary is there are many people signing up to this group, i believe life is all about luck, if you die as a result of an attack you are just very very unlucky. We are blessed that we have not had an attack yet. we are getting away with it.


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  • #402
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    screamer wrote: »
    Massive muslim population, home of the EU, a grand stage to play out your agenda on.

    Have they been mistreated? Is it like Catholics in the north? Do they have a history of persecution?

    Because if not then we can't solve terrorism by withdrawing from Syria (for those western governments stupid enough to be in there). Or by ending a non existing persecution.

    It seems that there's no way to solve the issue. What do Belgium terrorists want? What do they want from Belgium? What can Belgium do, if it wants to "surrender", or give into the demands. The IRAs conditions were clear.


  • #403
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Are people that afraid of the reality they have to throw themselves 2000 miles away 50 years ago? Lets talk about what happened today, in Belgium and the effect it is having today


  • #404
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Liberosis wrote: »
    Are there any EU countries not listed there?

    Bulgaria, Cyprus and Latvia.


  • #405
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    gandalf wrote: »
    You are missing the point totally Muslims are not the issue here. A small minority within their community is and typically it is a minority that has prior Criminal activity.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580221/Islamic-State-support-Arab-world-poll-finds

    Of course.


  • #406
    Liberosis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Also what's the beef with Belgium? It's not part of the coalition in Syria?

    All European Union member countries are on their hit list. I imagine todays attack has something to do with abdeslams arrest and the series of shootings in Belgium involving police and suspects over the last few weeks.


  • #407
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    screamer wrote: »
    and they didn't go in and demand benefits and housing and isolate themselves because of the way they were treated (which was appallingly in many cases). They worked they integrated and got on with things. It makes my blood boil the way some idiots equate Irish emigrants of yesteryear with the section of migrants that we see today who are benefit sponging to try and justify it all.

    They did in the UK. Irish people claimed the dole in the UK abd got housing. Focusing on the US is using what suits and ignoring the UK.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #408
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    K-9 wrote: »
    The IRA were terrorists, of course it's comparable. Irish Republicans who wanted a United Ireland but terrorists all the same

    Proxy bomb tactics used by the IRA are used in Syria . Bombing people eating in restaurants and pubs was the IRA.

    Let's not get all misty eyed because they were Irish and it's 1916. An indiscriminate bomb is an indiscriminate bomb even if it has shamrocks and a tricolour on top.

    If you're going to try and morally justify terrorism you would start by examining their desired outcomes.

    When you line up the desired outcomes or endgame of ISIS vs Republicanism you'll see that one side wants a united pluralistic society and the other wants to bring about the apocalypse.

    There is no moral equivalence.


  • #409
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    K-9 wrote: »
    The IRA were terrorists, of course it's comparable. Irish Republicans who wanted a United Ireland but terrorists all the same

    Proxy bomb tactics used by the IRA are used in Syria . Bombing people eating in restaurants and pubs was the IRA.

    Let's not get all misty eyed because they were Irish and it's 1916. An indiscriminate bomb is an indiscriminate bomb even if it has shamrocks and a tricolour on top.
    As i said one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. Difference here was that they were doing this to get back what they saw as Irish territory. The islamic terrorists are doing this because we are Christians and they want to wipe us all out. Very different motives.


  • #410
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    K-9 wrote: »
    The IRA were terrorists, of course it's comparable. Irish Republicans who wanted a United Ireland but terrorists all the same

    Proxy bomb tactics used by the IRA are used in Syria . Bombing people eating in restaurants and pubs was the IRA.

    Let's not get all misty eyed because they were Irish and it's 1916. An indiscriminate bomb is an indiscriminate bomb even if it has shamrocks and a tricolour on top.

    You are 100% correct, but you are also incorrect in saying that they were indiscriminate.

    Id imagine you know full well that they went about it purposefully to disrupt the economy and business not to target innocents.

    The comparisons are flawed but you know that already.

    And no im not being all misty eyed, they were terrorists but thats where the comparisons end.


  • #411
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    inforfun wrote: »
    My mind has been made up a while already after a few decades of experience i have with certain parts of cities and their population.
    An interview like that only confirms it.

    So.you have a closed mind, nuff said.


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  • #412
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Have they been mistreated? Is it like Catholics in the north? Do they have a history of persecution?

    Because if not then we can't solve terrorism by withdrawing from Syria (for those western governments stupid enough to be in there). Or by ending a non existing persecution.

    It seems that there's no way to solve the issue. What do Belgium terrorists want? What do they want from Belgium? What can Belgium do, if it wants to "surrender", or give into the demands. The IRAs conditions were clear.

    It's in the name of some of the groups: Sharia4Belgium.


  • #413
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭gw80


    Liberosis wrote: »
    Are there any EU countries not listed there?
    Something on a large scale will have to be done to neutralise these Isis *****,
    They predict that their caliphate will bring on the apocalypse,the Great War against the Romans,(the west).
    I would love to see it happen, March all the army's of Europe and the USA across their border, give them what they want, call their bluff, and watch them cower,
    But I know that will never happen, there are to many vested interests, too much money to be made the way things stand, too many weak bleeding hearts


  • #414
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Reading some of comments here it appears that some people are falling right into the strategy of division that Daesh are pushing with these atrocities.


  • #415
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    K-9 wrote: »
    They did in the UK. Irish people claimed the dole in the UK abd got housing. Focusing on the US is using what suits and ignoring the UK.

    Naturally enough the UK attracted spongers to a greater extent than the US.


  • #416
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    gandalf wrote: »
    Tbh you don't have to look to far into our past to see people reveling in the murder and mutilation that the IRA unleased on the British mainland.

    Oh, agree. I am not proclaiming one side superior in this, but these people were brought to heel eventually by the overwhelming majority of Irish people who abhorred violence and spoke out against it. Hundreds of thousands of people marched for peace of the years.

    Its clear that the level of support in the Muslims community for these actions are higher however, with clerics in Ireland refusing to condemn these actions. The level of abject unadulterated violence with these attacks are of course on another level to that of the IRA.

    And this is not even getting in Saudi muslims schools or the oil rich gulf states funding ISIS. There is something seriously wrong with this modern day religion when stuff like this is the norm.


  • #417
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    gandalf wrote: »
    Reading some of comments here it appears that some people are falling right into the strategy of division that Daesh are pushing with these atrocities.

    I can assure you if you keep calling them Daesh they'll be defeated in no time.

    I hear they hate that word.


  • #418
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    gandalf wrote: »
    Reading some of comments here it appears that some people are falling right into the strategy of division that Daesh are pushing with these atrocities.

    The day I see people dancing in the street, whipping off their headscarf and publicly denouncing them, is the day I'll believe there has been a much needed reformation.


  • #419
    Marcel7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭Marcel7


    Religion of piece as it's finest. Piece of bone over here, piece of flesh over there, piece of brain flying in the air. We should get used to it. I'm not sure what people are counting for since each year we are importing more and more people of the desert to the continent. Wherever islam shows it's ugly face there are always explosions, behadings and civilian casualties. Can't wait to read progressive and politically correct comments after first Ramadan Bombathon that definately is going to happen in Europe some time soon.

    Couple days ago Belgian police was hunting down man responsible for Paris attacks, it seems that they were aware that something is going one and have interrupted preparations for something bigger. I'm pretty sure that after capturing Salah Abdeslam his dudes have panic and they just wanted to die as martyrs and go to heaven as soon as possible. This simply proves two thigns one more time: police and all of the security forces has lose theirs control and peace loving majority is meaningless.


  • #420
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,331 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Bob24 wrote: »
    It's in the name of some of the groups: Sharia4Belgium.

    It's hard to get people in the modern world to devote a simple half an hour a week to go to mass, they have missed the boat if they think people are going to want to go down the Sharia road.


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  • #421
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    Bull****.

    Islam has always had undertones of attacking "infidels" and "non believers".
    Go read the bible. It's full of stuff urging people to murder nonbelievers and committing genocide in the name of god.

    The narrative that both the conservatives and the terrorists want you to believe is that Islam is the enemy. That Islam is hell bent on destroying you and your family.

    As a book, the Quran is a hateful, disgusting piece of fiction. But so too are the Bible and the Torah and a pile of other religious books.

    Being a follower of a particular religion rarely means that someone follows the book that guides it, to the letter. Those that do, are extremists. And they want you to hate their religion.


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