Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Mellor · 09-03-2016 01:34PM

JustShon wrote: »

Fair enough, didn't catch your edit.

So do you reckon that Conor's own assessment was correct then? That it was simply a misuse of his energy?

Pretty much, yeah.
Loading up shots is more exhausting than just flowing and striking normally. He was focused too much landing the big shot. Contrast that fight with the Brimage fight. In the Brimage he peppered him with light shots and then loaded up the bolo punch after he had landed 20 shots. On Saturday he ripping the big shot from the get go.

He also needed to back away and work the lead legs bit more. He would have been a lot more effective finding the chin if he immobilised Nate a bit first.

JustShon · 09-03-2016 01:37PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

Every fighters aim is to end fights early.

Earlier you can end fights = More fights you can have = More money you can make.

Yeah ok, fair point but it seems to me that aiming for an early end and then getting ended early is a poor choice.

I don't fight but I'd rather a drawn out win than a quick loss. Is it better money to have quick losses over long wins? Provided you're not constantly losing of course. (genuine question)

Tazzimus wrote: »

I've watched him train and he doesn't train to last a round or two, that's just been the outcome of his fights.

I conceded that point earlier

mdwexford · 09-03-2016 01:47PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

Every fighters aim is to end fights early.

Earlier you can end fights = More fights you can have = More money you can make.

I've watched him train and he doesn't train to last a round or two, that's just been the outcome of his fights.

Not neccesarily, if the finish presents itself then great but many gameplans won't revolve around a finish.

Taking less damage will mean you can probably extend your career, doesn't have to always be quick finishes.

Look at GSP, he was more of a round winning fighter than a finisher and he's probably the greatest ever.

Tazzimus · 09-03-2016 01:57PM

JustShon wrote: »

Yeah ok, fair point but it seems to me that aiming for an early end and then getting ended early is a poor choice.

I don't think anyone, Conor included disagrees with that.

JustShon wrote: »

I don't fight but I'd rather a drawn out win than a quick loss. Is it better money to have quick losses over long wins? Provided you're not constantly losing of course. (genuine question)

I gather you meant quick wins not quick losses

Providing you're making a decent bit for fights yes. More fights equals more pay days.
Essentially if you can finish them quick without taking too much damage then you can fight more.

mdwexford wrote: »

Not neccesarily, if the finish presents itself then great but many gameplans won't revolve around a finish.

Taking less damage will mean you can probably extend your career, doesn't have to always be quick finishes.

Look at GSP, he was more of a round winning fighter than a finisher and he's probably the greatest ever.

I'd agree that not every fighters gameplan is to get in and finish the opponent, but I'd imagine most would prefer it so they're done with the fight quicker and in less danger of being finished themselves.

JustShon · 09-03-2016 02:00PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

I gather you meant quick wins not quick losses

No, I was wondering if you're financially better off taking a quick loss than drawing a fight out for a win, if done occasionally.

That_Guy · 09-03-2016 04:22PM

Conor McGregor vs the vegans....

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/conor-mcgregor-no-match-for-vegan-1.2565045?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Deadst4r · 09-03-2016 04:51PM

That_Guy wrote: »

Conor McGregor vs the vegans....

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/conor-mcgregor-no-match-for-vegan-1.2565045?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I seen a post from him where he said he eats Goats cheese. dat aint propa Vegan.

He doesn't know what a ****ing gazelle is.

Subcomandante Marcos · 09-03-2016 08:40PM

Deadst4r wrote: »

I seen a post from him where he said he eats Goats cheese. dat aint propa Vegan.

He doesn't know what a ****ing gazelle is.

Nate never claimed to be vegan, Nick does/is though.

Frank Bullitt · 09-03-2016 09:10PM

That_Guy wrote: »

Conor McGregor vs the vegans....

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/conor-mcgregor-no-match-for-vegan-1.2565045?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Militant vegans, the next batch of terrorists.

By that logic, if I skip the steak ill be an elite athlete in no time.

Gamebred · 09-03-2016 10:20PM

I hope frankie doesnt get the shot for this stupid video alone talk about desperation https://www.instagram.com/p/BCvrTS4k3JB/?taken-by=frankieedgar

Paully D · 09-03-2016 10:47PM

Gamebred wrote: »

I hope frankie doesnt get the shot for this stupid video alone talk about desperation https://www.instagram.com/p/BCvrTS4k3JB/?taken-by=frankieedgar

That is so cringeworthy. It's probably Abdel-Aziz posting it anyway.

jimmii · 09-03-2016 10:50PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Militant vegans, the next batch of terrorists.

By that logic, if I skip the steak ill be an elite athlete in no time.

On training days I have to make sure I have meat so i'm a bit weaker because if I have quorn I will knock someone out in sparring for sure.

H8GHOTI · 09-03-2016 11:00PM

Mellor wrote: »

...He has spent less than one hour in the UFC octagon...

That's mad, never thought about it like that before.

CurryFlavoured · 09-03-2016 11:02PM

Cringe indeed, but I'd be gutted for Frankie if he doesn't get the chance. Think he's one of the GOATs tbh (not Jones, GSP level, but top 15 or 20). He deserves another chance to get a 2nd title, if he doesn't get the title shot it will go down as the best run of wins without getting a shot. Guy has finished contender after contender. Under normal circumstances I'd say Jose deserves the shot, but not here. I think Aldo would make for a more exciting fight, and a more winnable fight for Conor though.

ceecee14 · 09-03-2016 11:19PM

CurryFlavoured wrote:

Cringe indeed, but I'd be gutted for Frankie if he doesn't get the chance. Think he's one of the GOATs tbh (not Jones, GSP level, but top 15 or 20). He deserves another chance to get a 2nd title, if he doesn't get the title shot it will go down as the best run of wins without getting a shot. Guy has finished contender after contender. Under normal circumstances I'd say Jose deserves the shot, but not here. I think Aldo would make for a more exciting fight, and a more winnable fight for Conor though.

Which one is the money fight though, that's probably what'll decide it.

CurryFlavoured · 10-03-2016 12:08AM

I don't think either sells significantly better than the other tbh, if I had to say it'd be Aldo. Rematch, longstanding champ, bad blood etc. It won't have the hype of the first one though. Then with Frankie you've got former LW champ, legend of the sport, pretty much the only top FW he hasn't fought. I think it's going to end up as McG-Aldo 2, which is a bit of a pity.

Gamebred · 10-03-2016 12:10AM

The casuals wont buy the Aldo rematch,as far as they are concerned hes no good and got merked in 13 secs,I think the yanks would buy the ppv in big numbers supporting frankie in hope of him beating McGregor.

xtal191 · 10-03-2016 12:23AM

Haha the state of that Edgar post

Tigger · 10-03-2016 12:39AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LzLmjDiFg

If he wants the shot he needs to beat Aldo
Otherwise Aldo should get the rematch
Beating Mendez who Conor and Aldo both beat isn't enough

riffmongous · 10-03-2016 12:58AM

Tigger wrote: »

If he wants the shot he needs to beat Aldo
Otherwise Aldo should get the rematch
Beating Mendez who Conor and Aldo both beat isn't enough

Oliveira, Penn, Swanson, Faber and Mendes, that's a good enough run of wins I think by any standard.

I think a lot depends on if Conor plans to stay at FW or not, if he only plans on going to LW then I guess an Aldo rematch would be better to see

Tigger · 10-03-2016 01:00AM

riffmongous wrote: »

Oliveira, Penn, Swanson, Faber and Mendes, that's a good enough run of wins I think by any standard.

I think a lot depends on if Conor plans to stay at FW or not, if he only plans on going to LW then I guess an Aldo rematch would be better to see

Aldo's run includes Edgar while Edgar's run doesn't include Aldo
I'd rather see frankie get the shot (clean it out and go to lw) but I think José should get to bang

Mellor · 10-03-2016 01:04AM

Tigger wrote: »

Aldo's run includes Edgar while Edgar's run doesn't include Aldo
I'd rather see frankie get the shot (clean it out and go to lw) but I think José should get to bang

Edgar's run is current, Aldo's run isn't.

10-03-2016 01:33AM

McGregor wants to make as much money as possible in the next 2 years - that's the most important thing for him - not legacies etc... that stuff is a bonus. Legacies etc at this point are a fan thing projection.
How much say the fighters have in an organisation (UFC) where HR (UFC) has complete control is debatable.
It's still for the moment in the UFC's interest for McGregor to move up to LW, after a big win at FW.
For the say that McGregor does have I'm guessing that he'd rather fight Aldo rather than Edgar.
Aldo - McGregor is the most likely fight for these reasons.
A FW clearout by a McGregor Edgar fight doesn't garner as much ppv as Aldo-McGregor 2.
The first fight was a hole-in-one golf shot fight - wouldn't happen in 95 of 100 fights, didn't answer the questions and was unsatisfying so left the audience there for more - especially after the Diaz fight. (even though Aldo may be past his best., albeit Edgar is a lot older). There is hate between them which = ppv+. Edgar and McGregor doesn't have much current animosity out there. It would have to be built up. A few translated tweets from Aldo and the usual McGregor stuff about how he will do the same again will do the trick.

xtal191 · 10-03-2016 12:43PM

I love Joanna Jedrzejczyk, fast becoming my favourite fighter

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCwQDYPICO-/

joannajedrzejczykFot. @erhfoto
Whenever you achieve something big, when you have Success in a scale that Has never been reached in your field There will always be haters, There will be people Rooting for you to fail but know that the people that really understand the sport And the business look up to you And for the work that you have done

No Result will erase the legacy you have built

Never forget that the lions should never lose sleep over the opinion of the sheep (not about fans)

I DO RESPECT ALL THE FIGHTERS!! Congratulations to @natediaz209 who did an amazing job! @ufc @ufceurope @thenotoriousmma #ufc #ufc196 #weareallone

Zero-Cool · 10-03-2016 12:46PM

The new TUF looks like it's gonna be a good one! I had kind of written it off until I saw the Unstoppable conference. Joanna is a beast.

Spudman_20000 · 10-03-2016 12:58PM

glasso wrote: »

McGregor wants to make as much money as possible in the next 2 years - that's the most important thing for him - not legacies etc... that stuff is a bonus. Legacies etc at this point are a fan thing projection.
How much say the fighters have in an organisation (UFC) where HR (UFC) has complete control is debatable.
It's still for the moment in the UFC's interest for McGregor to move up to LW, after a big win at FW.
For the say that McGregor does have I'm guessing that he'd rather fight Aldo rather than Edgar.
Aldo - McGregor is the most likely fight for these reasons.
A FW clearout by a McGregor Edgar fight doesn't garner as much ppv as Aldo-McGregor 2.
The first fight was a hole-in-one golf shot fight - wouldn't happen in 95 of 100 fights, didn't answer the questions and was unsatisfying so left the audience there for more - especially after the Diaz fight. (even though Aldo may be past his best., albeit Edgar is a lot older). There is hate between them which = ppv+. Edgar and McGregor doesn't have much current animosity out there. It would have to be built up. A few translated tweets from Aldo and the usual McGregor stuff about how he will do the same again will do the trick.

In terms of what's next, Aldo seems the most likely. The noises coming from Kavanagh and Conor themselves would back that up too.

Conor could always fight Frankie at 155 if that fight still makes sense down the road.

Cannot see Conor having more than 1 more fight at 145, considering the crazy weight cut.

It could be on for UFC 200. That way, Conor and Aldo shouldn't need to do as much press, conferences etc. to sell the fight, because the 200 event sells itself. Might insulate Conor a bit as well from the fallout from the Diaz fight.

Mellor · 10-03-2016 01:43PM

I'd like to see him fight Frankie at 145. Then move to 155. Aldo will follow him. It makes sense for Aldo to move up with Barao now at 145. I've a feeling that was his plan post-194

Gamebred · 10-03-2016 01:48PM

Mellor wrote: »

I'd like to see him fight Frankie at 145. Then move to 155. Aldo will follow him. It makes sense for Aldo to move up with Barao now at 145. I've a feeling that was his plan post-194

Aldo has no aspirations of moving to 155 I think.

Mellor · 10-03-2016 02:11PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Aldo has no aspirations of moving to 155 I think.

But he wants the Conor fight though. Badly. He has already said he'd take it at 155, given enough notice.

Zero-Cool · 10-03-2016 02:35PM

Mellor wrote: »

I'd like to see him fight Frankie at 145. Then move to 155. Aldo will follow him. It makes sense for Aldo to move up with Barao now at 145. I've a feeling that was his plan post-194

Yupp, other than that, I think an Aldo rematch at 200, Frankie fight maybe 3 months later, then fight for LW title so he can say he has 2 belts and then instantly vacate the FW.

Personally I'd prefer to see him fight Frankie at 200 but Also does deserve his rematch so it's very hard to tell who will get it.

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