Car accident, road with no grip

raher1 wrote: »

my tyre guy said they were the best, i m not a tyre expert

They'll just promote what's cheapest. That's what most people want. Try and promote an expensive tyre and the average joe will think they're being ripped off and leave. Unless you go in and specifically ask for a premium tyre, you will get told everything to promote the cheaper tyre, "I have them on my car" "just as good as the premiums".

Perhaps you should do Dan advanced driving course, pushing the brakes as hard as you can isn't always the best response , sometimes it's best to pump them

Alun wrote: »

What make were your brand new tyres? Were they by any chance recommended to you by the tyre shop as "what all the taxi drivers use" so they must be good? If so they were probably cheap Chinese tyres commonly known as "ditchfinders" which magically lose all semblance of grip as soon as one drop of water hits the road.

Apologies if not the case, but it crops up a lot on the Motors forum these days.

what a ridiculous post.

Deleted User wrote: »

I suspect that those "ditchfinders" also have difficulty with the perfectly smooth sub-surface of unfinished roads as well as they rely on the rough stone in the road for grip.

what are you talking about?

Because someone has a differing opinion to you and some others on here, I must be trolling?

how very narrow minded and silly


It seems that op's driving was at fault and the tyres were irrelevant.

power pants wrote: »

Because someone has a differing opinion to you and some others on here, I must be trolling?

how very narrow minded and silly


It seems that op's driving was at fault and the tyres were irrelevant.

You do realise that tyres play a huge part in stopping right?

cjpm wrote: »

That court case was about a school bus that crashed in Meath on a section of road that was being fixed up IIRC

Regarding that case, it was found that the abs had been disconnected, nothing to do with the road as far as I know

deathtocaptcha wrote: »

I love how everyone is claiming there are certain tyres with 'no grip'. Let's put this myth to bed.

The reality is all tyres sold today must have an e-mark on them which states the tyre meets minimum EU standards in relation to speed rating, treat depth etc...

Give that most cars on our road are either new or go through the NCT every 1/2 years, it's pretty unlikely you'll find tyres with 'no grip'.

If you're driving in a fashion where you regularly 'need' grip to ensure your safety (i.e. speeding around corners, not leaving safe distances to car in front etc...), you need to question your ability as a driver before you start blaming the car or it's tyres...

and you "put this myth to bed" by just ranting on. Lovely


There are differences in tyres - otherwise they'd all be the same

The labels measure wet grip using a ranking system that ranges from

( best performance ) A

---

> G ( worst performance )




Vehicles with tyres from Class A stop in the shortest distance from 50mph,

whilst tyres from Class B take an additional 3-6 metres.

This trend continues for the subsequent values and results in an increase in braking distance of over 18 metres from a vehicle in Class A to Class F.


http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/Example-of-non-Dup/Your-Vehicles-Tyres-/Choosing-a-Tyre/

There could be a chance (an outside chance at that) of the council being responsible and/or contractor if there was poor repair of the road which caused the accident. They wouldn't be usually liable for ordinary damage caused by wear and tear potholes etc.Similarly there is a possible angle for a claim where poor workmanship causes excess water to gather on a section of road which causes thick ice to form. An engineer would need to be engaged to perform a skid resistance test I'd imagine, take measurements etc. Check out mis/mal/non
feasance.



Also.....In Lewis v Cork County Council, Murphy J. held that “where a local authority engages in repairs….those repairs must be effective…..but to conduct or carry out a repair which is temporary and then not to follow up that repair to ensure that the danger did not re-emerge, must be taken as negligence by a local authority”


These resistance tests can be done on floors and footpaths id be surprised if it cant be done for roads. At the very least the material could be examined from sight. The op isnt clear if it was a repair job.
Obviously your tyres would need to be examined too. If you genuinely believe the road caused this accident you should report the incident to the Council.
Actually now that I think about it I've actually come across something broadly similar to the op.


*not to be taken as legal advice

don't forget too, that the specific tyre compound will have a huge affect on braking performance depending on the time of year. the same tyres that are great in summer, can be atrocious in colder conditions in the winter, even if there is no snow/rain/ice on the road.

the first car i bought in ireland (a knackered old fiesta) had terrible tyres on it that almost got me killed the first time i drove it in the rain. to tell the truth, i'd never given it much thought until then, it was a half decent car (for me, at the time), it had tread on the tyres and it had recently passed it's NCT with those tyres on it so i assumed it was all good.

however, one cold december day, driving slowly up a hill with a slight bend in it (behind a panel van and two other cars), all driving well within the speed limit, the back end (bearing in mind it was a front wheel drive car) just slid out on me and left me facing the other way on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend. if someone had been coming the other way, i could have been in a pretty severe accident.

that was the day i discovered that there is such a thing as (very) crappy asian tyres that should never be used on a car. since then i've always paid for decent tyres, as they are the thing that connects you to the road and you don't want that to be something that lets you down.

a poor tradesman blames his tools

op should have been taking more care with his driving and the crash would not have happened

if it were his tyres, sue the brand and take them out of circulation but thats never going to happen as its nothing got to do with the tyres

power pants wrote: »

a poor tradesman blames his tools

op should have been taking more care with his driving and the crash would not have happened

if it were his tyres, sue the brand and take them out of circulation but thats never going to happen as its nothing got to do with the tyres

Ara jaysus.
So you're saying any crash where you are not able to stop automatically means that the driver is at fault?