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Milked out · 22-02-2016 01:56AM

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

The man that likes the bales is using the shear grab again at the moment cos he has two pits from last yr that he needs to feed, and he's missing feeding the bales!
On a slightly related note, feeding all cows after calving a 50/50 mix of first cut precision cut silage(with Brewers grain through it) and maize at the moment, and they're pumping out milk on it. There's dry cows on the other side of the same shed getting ok-ish bale silage, but if I throw any few pikes of the bale silage to the milkers they'll nearly fight over it, even though their own mix is heaped up in front of them.
I've said it before, and now I'm even more convinced, cows are mad for the longer chop grass, and all the silage analysis in the world will tell u there's no difference, but believe me if cows could talk they'd say the same!

What would they milk better off tho

einn32 · 22-02-2016 04:52AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Sounds like hell

Those NZ'rs are some whingers. Not a word about subsidies in EU while they could do as they pleased during quotas.

Now it's the big bad EU's fault. Drown them in milk, I say

Any Oz/NZ farmer I've met or worked for have actually been quite positive. They whinge about the processors....sound familiar?? I suspect a lot of it is media/farmers unions blaming someone. They have to be doing something! But I can't deny that after years of expansion in NZ it ends up sour at present. It wasn't supposed to be like this!

On the other hand you're on your own out here in Oz and to make a living you get big and yes borrow and work hard until you make it based on backing your skills as a business man in farming.

Ironically Ireland is heading down this NZ route too which I don't think they should have! We had a great position for a niche food market but it got lost in this milk powder rush. Wait until a few years and the guy who went up 50/100 cows after quotas went (because he had the land anyway but not the quota) decides to go land shopping to go up 100 more. This is when the real expansion expansion starts I think.

Oz farmers just don't understand why a business would be subsidised. But subsidies also keep EU farmers in line with environmental, animal welfare legislation etc. There is always a risk of removal of money for a farmer. Subsidies have to soften the blow of low milk prices though. Everyone just has to keep going in their situation!

Greengrass1 · 22-02-2016 08:54AM

Weather looking very nice for the coming wk.

frazzledhome · 22-02-2016 08:58AM

einn32 wrote: »

Any Oz/NZ farmer I've met or worked for have actually been quite positive. They whinge about the processors....sound familiar?? I suspect a lot of it is media/farmers unions blaming someone. They have to be doing something! But I can't deny that after years of expansion in NZ it ends up sour at present. It wasn't supposed to be like this!

On the other hand you're on your own out here in Oz and to make a living you get big and yes borrow and work hard until you make it based on backing your skills as a business man in farming.

Ironically Ireland is heading down this NZ route too which I don't think they should have! We had a great position for a niche food market but it got lost in this milk powder rush. Wait until a few years and the guy who went up 50/100 cows after quotas went (because he had the land anyway but not the quota) decides to go land shopping to go up 100 more. This is when the real expansion expansion starts I think.

Oz farmers just don't understand why a business would be subsidised. But subsidies also keep EU farmers in line with environmental, animal welfare legislation etc. There is always a risk of removal of money for a farmer. Subsidies have to soften the blow of low milk prices though. Everyone just has to keep going in their situation!

Nice to get an on the ground perspective. A huge advantage or perhaps mill stone in the absence of CGT.

Buy a farm wait for land appreciation and sell with out paying and tax on the gain. This leads to s complete bubble with banks becoming central and actually driving this speculation.

What happens when demand for land drops due to milk price?

The bank's just this week dropped the values of milking stock from a breeding/milking value to a cull value, $1800 down to $1200

Now the number of share milkers strong enough to borrow falls therefore the number of guys feeding into the middle of the dairy farm chain drops.

A share milkers only assets are some gear and their cows. If they are taking a 25% hit on the value of their greatest asset it's a fairly strong one that'll be in a position to take on a new farm or even continue on the one they're on.

May be time for share milkers to cash in allow things rebalance and re enter at the new base line in 2 yrs?

RightTurnClyde · 22-02-2016 09:30AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Weather looking very nice for the coming wk.

Grease up the spreader, fill her up with diesel, turn on the fencer, 'tis go time.

WheatenBriar · 22-02-2016 10:31AM

Timmaay wrote: »

Crap phone signal around the house and yard though ughh. However ya got me thinking now, and after checking google what I need to try do is get a good outdoor wifi bridge, and try do something like put one end of it connected to a 3g router on some part of the farm with good 4g, and beam it back to the yard. Finding somewhere with power on the farm will be my problem I think!

Remember too that a phone with its wifi hotspot turned on upstairs or in a part of the house or even on an outside window ledge will give good coverage around a house for a laptop or pc
No need to pay for satellite broadband
Just find the sweet spot and place the phone there
Same story down the yard,thats what we do here
There are gadgets to that will plug into a lan port and receive the phones hot spot signal delivering it to a camera or a pc so its got a web connection

Tethering like that usually isnt allowed but impossible to detect on Android phones
Do not do it with an iPhone because they have software specifically designed to report tethering /hotspot use
It's going to cost less than getting a mobile broadband device for say the house but yeah have one of those for the calving area alright but use the phone to find the 4G sweet spot

mahoney_j · 22-02-2016 10:40AM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Grease up the spreader, fill her up with diesel, turn on the fencer, 'tis go time.

Fill the spreader with diesel ,interesting concept !!!!!

keep going · 22-02-2016 10:52AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fill the spreader with diesel ,interesting concept !!!!!

yeah but not today,well in west cork anyway

kowtow · 22-02-2016 11:11AM

frazzledhome wrote:

May be time for share milkers to cash in allow things rebalance and re enter at the new base line in 2 yrs?

Its an interesting collateral function of the share milker system ... more fragile hands, fold their cards quicker and take out capacity without needing to deal with the whole farm.

Tough on the individual though.

And where a share milker has to pull out where does that leave the repayment capacity of the farm?

RightTurnClyde · 22-02-2016 11:34AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fill the spreader with diesel ,interesting concept !!!!!

With that kind of thinking tis no wonder Lowry tops the polls in N Tipp.

Greengrass1 · 22-02-2016 11:49AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Nice to get an on the ground perspective. A huge advantage or perhaps mill stone in the absence of CGT.

Buy a farm wait for land appreciation and sell with out paying and tax on the gain. This leads to s complete bubble with banks becoming central and actually driving this speculation.

What happens when demand for land drops due to milk price?

The bank's just this week dropped the values of milking stock from a breeding/milking value to a cull value, $1800 down to $1200

Now the number of share milkers strong enough to borrow falls therefore the number of guys feeding into the middle of the dairy farm chain drops.

A share milkers only assets are some gear and their cows. If they are taking a 25% hit on the value of their greatest asset it's a fairly strong one that'll be in a position to take on a new farm or even continue on the one they're on.

May be time for share milkers to cash in allow things rebalance and re enter at the new base line in 2 yrs?

Is that why our iris lad from kk sold all his cows last fall and just went working for some one?
Seen what was coming down the line?

trixi2011 · 22-02-2016 12:46PM

0lddog wrote: »

Not as sh!te as it should be. :P

don't be saying that over a year now watching it :mad: last employers held my bonuses and expenses for 6 months have been waiting for the right time to convert it. Huge difference in the exchange since I first came home think I may look into buying and leasing out some heifers over there going to be fleeced if I convert it to pounds or euro:mad:

Timmaay · 22-02-2016 01:59PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Remember too that a phone with its wifi hotspot turned on upstairs or in a part of the house or even on an outside window ledge will give good coverage around a house for a laptop or pc
No need to pay for satellite broadband
Just find the sweet spot and place the phone there
Same story down the yard,thats what we do here
There are gadgets to that will plug into a lan port and receive the phones hot spot signal delivering it to a camera or a pc so its got a web connection

Tethering like that usually isnt allowed but impossible to detect on Android phones
Do not do it with an iPhone because they have software specifically designed to report tethering /hotspot use
It's going to cost less than getting a mobile broadband device for say the house but yeah have one of those for the calving area alright but use the phone to find the 4G sweet spot

Ported over to Vodafone this morning, time to find a signal somewhere close by. I tried it with 48months (who are on the 3/02 network) before, and no data around the yard or house at all.

jaymla627 · 22-02-2016 02:07PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Is that why our iris lad from kk sold all his cows last fall and just went working for some one?
Seen what was coming down the line?

Bit more to it then that, farm he was share-farming on was sold, so cows basically had to go, was a recent new dairy conversion that was swimming in debt was a bank sale I think aswell, which was strange given the performance figures been quoted for the place where top class you'd imagen it would of still been viable

Timmaay · 22-02-2016 03:02PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Ported over to Vodafone this morning, time to find a signal somewhere close by. I tried it with 48months (who are on the 3/02 network) before, and no data around the yard or house at all.

Coming from 0.25mb, wow!
[url] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1757226607[/url]

WheatenBriar · 22-02-2016 03:29PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Coming from 0.25mb, wow!
[url] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1757226607[/url]

Yup,its the only way to go!

I can beat yours though

(thats with three)

C0N0R · 22-02-2016 06:01PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Is that why our iris lad from kk sold all his cows last fall and just went working for some one?
Seen what was coming down the line?

That's what he is probably saying now, was unintentional but probably worked out well for him in the end.

Panch18 · 22-02-2016 08:36PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Now the number of share milkers strong enough to borrow falls therefore the number of guys feeding into the middle of the dairy farm chain drops.

A share milkers only assets are some gear and their cows. If they are taking a 25% hit on the value of their greatest asset it's a fairly strong one that'll be in a position to take on a new farm or even continue on the one they're on.

May be time for share milkers to cash in allow things rebalance and re enter at the new base line in 2 yrs?

Say a share Milker has 100 cows and sells them for 130k, how is the share Milker going to avoid tax on his animal sales??

frazzledhome · 22-02-2016 08:39PM

Panch18 wrote: »

Say a share Milker has 100 cows and sells them for 130k, how is the share Milker going to avoid tax on his animal sales??

Don't know tax codes in NZ. No CGT on land and property sales, that I'm sure of.

If he pays tax he's made a profit IF the income is taxable.

Panch18 · 22-02-2016 08:41PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Don't know tax codes in NZ. No CGT on land and property sales, that I'm sure of.

If he pays tax he's made a profit IF the income is taxable.

Sorry - I thought you were talking about it in an Irish context, of which there are very few I would imagine

No CGT would be great, tax is such a prohibitor to progression

Greengrass1 · 23-02-2016 12:14AM

Left one cow with her calf last wk for 4 hrs because we were busy and never took it away after feeding.

Never again!!
Cows beside house tonight and the bitch has the place torn down bawling. Never seen anything like it before.

Milked out · 23-02-2016 12:38AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Left one cow with her calf last wk for 4 hrs because we were busy and never took it away after feeding.

Never again!!
Cows beside house tonight and the bitch has the place torn down bawling. Never seen anything like it before.

We only take em away whenever next milking is, only a few of them go like that, even when calf shed is right next to cubicles. There is always one that might go thru wire tho if they get that worked up esp at night.

Deepsouthwest · 23-02-2016 12:44AM

Milked out wrote: »

We only take em away whenever next milking is, only a few of them go like that, even when calf shed is right next to cubicles. There is always one that might go thru wire tho if they get that worked up esp at night.

Oh great, poor GG won't get a wink of sleep know that uve told him that!!

whelan2 · 23-02-2016 06:56AM

Good shock in the fence. Good gates. Problem solved. Imagine what they are like after a week with calf. Get the odd lunatic but they quieten down after a day or 2

Greengrass1 · 23-02-2016 08:13AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Good shock in the fence. Good gates. Problem solved. Imagine what they are like after a week with calf. Get the odd lunatic but they quieten down after a day or 2

Shes at this for a wk now. Drives me cracked at milking. Comes into the parlour and starts roaring.
I went out and put up another wire and gave them a fresh break. That cured her

whelan2 · 23-02-2016 10:20AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Shes at this for a wk now. Drives me cracked at milking. Comes into the parlour and starts roaring.
I went out and put up another wire and gave them a fresh break. That cured her

Ah must be something else up with her. 2 days max here. Double glazing on the house is a god send

blackdog1 · 23-02-2016 02:04PM

Anyone hear having any Rota virus problems? I'm vaccinated for it but I'm finding I still have the odd case and it takes 4-5 days to clear so not too severe but a pain in the arse. Was talking to the vet about it and he said it's everywhere this year and 2,other herds that vaccinated were having same issues.

whelan2 · 23-02-2016 02:08PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Anyone hear having any Rota virus problems? I'm vaccinated for it but I'm finding I still have the odd case and it takes 4-5 days to clear so not too severe but a pain in the arse. Was talking to the vet about it and he said it's everywhere this year and 2,other herds that vaccinated were having same issues.

How long are the calves getting the treated biestings for?

blackdog1 · 23-02-2016 04:21PM

whelan2 wrote: »

How long are the calves getting the treated biestings for?

Was 4-5 days but I'm gonna stretch it to 12 now. When you say biestings I mean he's stayingo n the original mothers milk for first 12 days. Magpies are spreading it I'm sure. I'm currently looking at putting up a net curtain to keep them out.

Milked out · 23-02-2016 09:11PM

Got a newsletter/catalogue about fleikveih in the post. AnyOne ever use em? They were saying they would match yields of hol but with better fertility etc. But all examples were them crossed on to the European and American hol so milk would be given from that side.might experiment with a few maybe on the cows I'd be considering for a blue or wh anyway. Solids were nothing exciting by them by the looks of it.

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