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jaymla627

Milked out wrote: »

Got a newsletter/catalogue about fleikveih in the post. AnyOne ever use em? They were saying they would match yields of hol but with better fertility etc. But all examples were them crossed on to the European and American hol so milk would be given from that side.might experiment with a few maybe on the cows I'd be considering for a blue or wh anyway. Solids were nothing exciting by them by the looks of it.

Calved down swedish red heifers this year which would be fairly similar and their a very mixed bunch the good ones came of fairly extreme hol cows, the bad ones off your run of the mill 5000 litre cows....
Was a bit of an expirement but looking at the results am really disappointed, the holstien heifers are banging out the milk/lovely udders/confirmation, while the crossbreds are a mix of everything with only 2 heifers out of 8 ticking the boxes...

alps

I'm looking at the debate an hour late, and Enda has just said we will not now reach our 2020 targets for dairy expansion.........��

RightTurnClyde

alps wrote: »

I'm looking at the debate an hour late, and Enda has just said we will not now reach our 2020 targets for dairy expansion.........��

I took it as emissions targets for 2020?

ted_182

alps wrote:

I'm looking at the debate an hour late, and Enda has just said we will not now reach our 2020 targets for dairy expansion.........

Yeah I think he ment our 2020 emission targets

alps

ted_182 wrote: »

Yeah I think he ment our 2020 emission targets

That's our Enda....can't seem to say what he means..

Deepsouthwest

3 cows here with milk fever since yesterday, and 8 cases so far this yr. Normally rarely an issue on this farm, maybe a case once a yr or so. What's the cause of this problem this yr? And what can I do to solve it?
Also, treatment here is a single bottle of calcium under the skin if cow is a bit staggery, or two bottles of calcium and a bottle of magnesium all under the skin if cow is down. This routine has sorted every cow so far, but is it normal treatment or could I do more?

Dawggone

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

3 cows here with milk fever since yesterday, and 8 cases so far this yr. Normally rarely an issue on this farm, maybe a case once a yr or so. What's the cause of this problem this yr? And what can I do to solve it?
Also, treatment here is a single bottle of calcium under the skin if cow is a bit staggery, or two bottles of calcium and a bottle of magnesium all under the skin if cow is down. This routine has sorted every cow so far, but is it normal treatment or could I do more?

I had a big problem with that until I changed their feed precalving. Feed good hay in the diet. There is science behind it...hay harvested still green is full of
phosphorous...etc.

You'll find cows spit out calves a lot quicker also.
Sorry short answer...man 'flu .

kevthegaff

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

3 cows here with milk fever since yesterday, and 8 cases so far this yr. Normally rarely an issue on this farm, maybe a case once a yr or so. What's the cause of this problem this yr? And what can I do to solve it?
Also, treatment here is a single bottle of calcium under the skin if cow is a bit staggery, or two bottles of calcium and a bottle of magnesium all under the skin if cow is down. This routine has sorted every cow so far, but is it normal treatment or could I do more?

Agree pre calving essential, into the vein but I'm not competent do under the skin for me

darragh_haven

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

3 cows here with milk fever since yesterday, and 8 cases so far this yr. Normally rarely an issue on this farm, maybe a case once a yr or so. What's the cause of this problem this yr? And what can I do to solve it?
Also, treatment here is a single bottle of calcium under the skin if cow is a bit staggery, or two bottles of calcium and a bottle of magnesium all under the skin if cow is down. This routine has sorted every cow so far, but is it normal treatment or could I do more?

Can calcium be added to the drinking water system. I think years ago when we were milking cows that my dad did it as we were having several milk fever cases each spring

whelan2

kevthegaff wrote: »

Agree pre calving essential, into the vein but I'm not competent do under the skin for me

milk vein is very easy to get.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

alps wrote: »

That's our Enda....can't seem to say what he means..

It was quite clear they were talking about emissions....:pac:

mahoney_j

Had first case in 2 years(milk fever )this am ,2 lukewarm bottles into vein before milking ,before first row was milked she was standing at back of collection yard wanting in ,,let her in and she bullied her way to be first in in next row ,I was fook fook fook she will go down with again with all the jostling .got away with it .pre calving diet is 2 kg easy calver from Arrabawn ,100 gramms pre calver ,3 kg straw and bale silage and iodine on water .havnt jacked a calf yet

keep going

Are those calf milk heaters any good, would they take the chill out of maybe 75 to 100 litres in a barrel

freedominacup

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

3 cows here with milk fever since yesterday, and 8 cases so far this yr. Normally rarely an issue on this farm, maybe a case once a yr or so. What's the cause of this problem this yr? And what can I do to solve it?
Also, treatment here is a single bottle of calcium under the skin if cow is a bit staggery, or two bottles of calcium and a bottle of magnesium all under the skin if cow is down. This routine has sorted every cow so far, but is it normal treatment or could I do more?

Had the same here last year. 50g of cal mag/hd/day to drys sorted it. Only one case this year. An older cow who caused her own problems. She spent a day looking for her calf not eating and was down on the second morning. Two calcium iv with 30ml of mg in one of them sorted her. Something to do with an imbalance between potassium and magnesium shopping cows mobilising calcium from her bones. This according to a technical rep from one of the mineral manufacturers I was speaking to on Mon. 25g is about the standard in a dry cow mineral and they have a 40g requirement. 50g of calmag fills the gap. Very cheap fix.

Milked out

Cows finally out today. Not much galloping heads went down fast enuv. Only advantage, if u can call it that, of not enough feed space is all u have to do is not push in the feed late at night to have em that bit hungrier in the morn. A week of no rain would be smashing to give a chance for the ground to soak and cope if we get some later on.

freedominacup

Milked out wrote: »

Cows finally out today. Not much galloping heads went down fast enuv. Only advantage, if u can call it that, of not enough feed space is all u have to do is not push in the feed late at night to have em that bit hungrier in the morn. A week of no rain would be smashing to give a chance for the ground to soak and cope if we get some later on.

Cows went out day and night on Mon. Another 10% cows in the tank. Milk collection this morning after 2 days and slight drop in tank which indicates a 10% drop in yield give or take. Very hard to get milk from grass this time of year. Had to be done though or quality will suffer the rest of the year.

blue5000

freedominacup wrote: »

Cows went out day and night on Mon. Another 10% cows in the tank. Milk collection this morning after 2 days and slight drop in tank which indicates a 10% drop in yield give or take. Very hard to get milk from grass this time of year. Had to be done though or quality will suffer the rest of the year.

Are you grazing silage ground or grazing ground? I've 5 grazing paddocks grazed, getting slurry(wattery) now, started grazing 1 silage field last week. I'm flexible though, silage ground is all paddocked anyway. What is re-growth like? Frost will stop mine for a while!

Milked out

freedominacup wrote: »

Cows went out day and night on Mon. Another 10% cows in the tank. Milk collection this morning after 2 days and slight drop in tank which indicates a 10% drop in yield give or take. Very hard to get milk from grass this time of year. Had to be done though or quality will suffer the rest of the year.

Will u buffer or do you need to get thru grass? Going to go 3 to 1 maize to grass silage in tonight's mix. Won't be out at night for another few days depending on weather and how ground holds up today

Milked out

blue5000 wrote: »

Are you grazing silage ground or grazing ground? I've 5 grazing paddocks grazed, getting slurry(wattery) now, started grazing 1 silage field last week. I'm flexible though, silage ground is all paddocked anyway. What is re-growth like? Frost will stop mine for a while!

I try and get thru grazing ground first so it will be back for April and graze silage ground last and the close it.the gap while grazing silage ground gives grazing block a chance to grow back. That's if you're keeping definitive silage and grazing ground. If you are fairly interchangeable wouldn't matter as much

freedominacup

Milked out wrote: »

Will u buffer or do you need to get thru grass? Going to go 3 to 1 maize to grass silage in tonight's mix. Won't be out at night for another few days depending on weather and how ground holds up today

Cut silage by 60%. Left meal alone. Have to buffer atm. Trying to strike the balance between getting through it and having enough. Will hit the 30% by first of March. Maiden heifers gone through 6% this week on grazing block. They're heading for silage ground on Fri.

arctic8dave

First day cow here today too. Great feeling to have them out. Some turn around in ground conditions here in mid cork since the weekend yesterday was unreal drying wind there thank fcuk.
just as well cos I must be only retards in the country who is getting tight with silage!!!!

Buford T. Justice XIX

arctic8dave wrote: »

First day cow here today too. Great feeling to have them out. Some turn around in ground conditions here in mid cork since the weekend yesterday was unreal drying wind there thank fcuk.
just as well cos I must be only retards in the country who is getting tight with silage!!!!

Think of it as making just enough silage, it will feel better;)

atlantic mist

had 3 cows calve with twins all went down after calving in last few days, gave a few bottles of magnesium and calcuim in case, seems to have knocked them all together they are barely going, look like i havent fed them in a year, one of them is now breathing funny anyone else having issues with twins, had vet out couldnt really put there figure on it just twins takes it out of the cow

Wildsurfer

keep going wrote: »

Are those calf milk heaters any good, would they take the chill out of maybe 75 to 100 litres in a barrel

I picked up a Kerbl one last week but still in the box as I'm undecided whether it would be good enough as Ill be heating 200L at a time and it according to website this takes 11 mins to heat 8L to 42degrees. I'm guessing like me your feeding calves before evening milking with milk kept over from morning? Oh and it cost €250.

Panch18

Wildsurfer wrote: »

I picked up a Kerbl one last week but still in the box as I'm undecided whether it would be good enough as Ill be heating 200L at a time and it according to website this takes 11 mins to heat 8L to 42degrees. I'm guessing like me your feeding calves before evening milking with milk kept over from morning? Oh and it cost €250.

We are on OAD so milk from the morning kept over to fed calves in the evening.

Just adding hot water from the dairy to it to take the sting out of it - its in milk carts so doesn't actually get that cold anyway

Unscientific but calves flying along

Milked out

Panch18 wrote: »

We are on OAD so milk from the morning kept over to fed calves in the evening.

Just adding hot water from the dairy to it to take the sting out of it - its in milk carts so doesn't actually get that cold anyway

Unscientific but calves flying along

Oad on whole milk? How is that going for ye? I thought that was more for milk replacer when you could up the concentration when doing it?

mahoney_j

Milked out wrote: »

Oad on whole milk? How is that going for ye? I thought that was more for milk replacer when you could up the concentration when doing it?

Think he is milking oad

Panch18

mahoney_j wrote: »

Think he is milking oad

Yep that's what I meant

Although will move the calves over to once a day feeding in next couple of days, usually from 3 weeks on.

Timmaay

Panch18 wrote: »

Yep that's what I meant

Although will move the calves over to once a day feeding in next couple of days, usually from 3 weeks on.

No wounder the calves are flying it, it's the same as giving them OAD strength powder the twice a day probably ha? Any scour with them?

Milked out

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