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freedominacup

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

FYI, for any who hasn't dealt with the banks in a while, ICBF reports are a big player now

How much emphasis are they placing on icbf report?

whelan2

What bank is that?

mahoney_j

freedominacup wrote: »

How much emphasis are they placing on icbf report?

Last year they looked for my coop performance and ebi report for herd ,all went off with application ,ag advisor in bank had only basic knowledge of both but said guys in head office have good understanding of it and shows an accurate report of herd fertility ,replacement rates and critically milk and solids sold to coop.id reckon it would have a fair impact on approval or not ,but maby not be a deal breaking issue

Milked out

whelan2 wrote: »

What bank is that?

Boi with me anyway.

RightTurnClyde

whelan2 wrote: »

What bank is that?

Aib with me

RightTurnClyde

freedominacup wrote: »

How much emphasis are they placing on icbf report?

It's the new "I'll call out to see how things are going"
As MJ said the crowd in the branch don't know what they are looking at but its for the ag section in HQ. They seem to have upped their game and are looking for either a lot of stars, high percentages or year on year progress.

RightTurnClyde

mahoney_j wrote: »

.id reckon it would have a fair impact on approval or not ,but maby not be a deal breaking issue

Part of the risk assessment, so will be a player in the rates got

kowtow

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

It's the new "I'll call out to see how things are going"
As MJ said the crowd in the branch don't know what they are looking at but its for the ag section in HQ. They seem to have upped their game and are looking for either a lot of stars, high percentages or year on year progress.

It's an interesting development alright.

I wonder how their model is tuned.

For example, a high input / output herd would look very different from the current "ideal" spring calving / grass / high solids set up. I wonder would one be actively penalised over another?

Quite understandable that bank models would look to see what percentile a prospective borrower fits compared to producers with a similar system but another thing altogether if access to finance is to be used to coral everybody up the same low input road. Especially if it should turn out to be a cul-de-sac.

I think it's also a bit raw that want us to lift the skirts of every cow to satisfy their statistical urges, and then attribute zero value to her by way of a chargeable asset.

Fair's fair, like any kerb crawler, if they want to look at the goods they have to be ready to leave the money on the dressing table.

Milked out

kowtow wrote: »

It's an interesting development alright.

I wonder how their model is tuned.

For example, a high input / output herd would look very different from the current "ideal" spring calving / grass / high solids set up. I wonder would one be actively penalised over another?

Quite understandable that bank models would look to see what percentile a prospective borrower fits compared to producers with a similar system but another thing altogether if access to finance is to be used to coral everybody up the same low input road. Especially if it should turn out to be a cul-de-sac.

I think it's also a bit raw that want us to lift the skirts of every cow to satisfy their statistical urges, and then attribute zero value to her by way of a chargeable asset.

Fair's fair, like any kerb crawler, if they want to look at the goods they have to be ready to leave the money on the dressing table.

In relation to your first point there our performance report is a comparison amongst winter suppliers in dairygold on most points as opposed to compared to all suppliers

alps

Do we have to put a stamp on the notifications to the Cattle Movement Notification Agency in Clonakilty?

I need to relearn the answer to this each year.......hmmm

whelan2

alps wrote: »

Do we have to put a stamp on the notifications to the Cattle Movement Notification Agency in Clonakilty?

I need to relearn the answer to this each year.......hmmm

no write freepost somewhere in the address

Mehaffey1

Awful dry out there atm, have PK supplementing both herds and a lot of thought being put into going once a day within the fortnight. Have plentiful hoards of average quality bailage and PK on offer and thinking about feeding bales for nights in the paddock.

My thoughts are since we have surplus supplement then we should feed it. Cows doing 1.4MS/Day and cover is around 780kgDM available/ha. Down from 1000kgDM the week before. Any other thoughts?

Deepsouthwest

Sold/gave a small lorry load of calves to my normal calf buyer yesterday morning, 1/3 fr bulls, 2/3's jex bulls, from 3 wks down to 10 days. €60/€70 for fr bulls, nothing for the jex's, said if he got sale for them he'd pay me something nxt wk, he's reasonably trustworthy.
I dropped bvd samples into the pick up point in local mart yesterday, and met one or two lads who joked with me bout my calves only making €2 earlier. Found out my man had put the four youngest/smallest jexs through the ring in my name. I would never put this type of calf through the mart, even though they were healthy, clean etc, they were too small/young for the mart.
Am I right to be a bit peed off with this guy, or should I just suck it up?

poor farmer

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Sold/gave a small lorry load of calves to my normal calf buyer yesterday morning, 1/3 fr bulls, 2/3's jex bulls, from 3 wks down to 10 days. €60/€70 for fr bulls, nothing for the jex's, said if he got sale for them he'd pay me something nxt wk, he's reasonably trustworthy.
I dropped bvd samples into the pick up point in local mart yesterday, and met one or two lads who joked with me bout my calves only making €2 earlier. Found out my man had put the four youngest/smallest jexs through the ring in my name. I would never put this type of calf through the mart, even though they were healthy, clean etc, they were too small/young for the mart.
Am I right to be a bit peed off with this guy, or should I just suck it up?

I would be anyways,

kevthegaff

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Sold/gave a small lorry load of calves to my normal calf buyer yesterday morning, 1/3 fr bulls, 2/3's jex bulls, from 3 wks down to 10 days. €60/€70 for fr bulls, nothing for the jex's, said if he got sale for them he'd pay me something nxt wk, he's reasonably trustworthy.
I dropped bvd samples into the pick up point in local mart yesterday, and met one or two lads who joked with me bout my calves only making €2 earlier. Found out my man had put the four youngest/smallest jexs through the ring in my name. I would never put this type of calf through the mart, even though they were healthy, clean etc, they were too small/young for the mart.
Am I right to be a bit peed off with this guy, or should I just suck it up?

He did try to get a sale for them! But your name in the ring is what would annoy me

leg wax

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Sold/gave a small lorry load of calves to my normal calf buyer yesterday morning, 1/3 fr bulls, 2/3's jex bulls, from 3 wks down to 10 days. €60/€70 for fr bulls, nothing for the jex's, said if he got sale for them he'd pay me something nxt wk, he's reasonably trustworthy.
I dropped bvd samples into the pick up point in local mart yesterday, and met one or two lads who joked with me bout my calves only making €2 earlier. Found out my man had put the four youngest/smallest jexs through the ring in my name. I would never put this type of calf through the mart, even though they were healthy, clean etc, they were too small/young for the mart.
Am I right to be a bit peed off with this guy, or should I just suck it up?

if you put them into his herd number leaving the farm he has broken a law/ rule. ask the mart if they made 100 euros who was going to get the cheque that will clip their wings fast enough.

Deepsouthwest

leg wax wrote: »

if you put them into his herd number leaving the farm he has broken a law/ rule. ask the mart if they made 100 euros who was going to get the cheque that will clip their wings fast enough.

He normally takes calves on a friday morning, and rings me friday night with the herd numbers they're to be moved into. Not breaking the law, just bending it a little!

Deepsouthwest

kevthegaff wrote: »

He did try to get a sale for them! But your name in the ring is what would annoy me

And that is what's annoyed me. I'm not gonna fall out with him, maybe just let him know I didn't appreciate it.
I would only ever sell my best/strongest calves in the mart, but he choose to put in my worst in my name. He'll now come back nxt wk and tell me the jexs are only worth €2. While I'll know the 3 wk old ones he held onto were def worth more

freedominacup

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Awful dry out there atm, have PK supplementing both herds and a lot of thought being put into going once a day within the fortnight. Have plentiful hoards of average quality bailage and PK on offer and thinking about feeding bales for nights in the paddock.

My thoughts are since we have surplus supplement then we should feed it. Cows doing 1.4MS/Day and cover is around 780kgDM available/ha. Down from 1000kgDM the week before. Any other thoughts?

Stretch the grass as long as quality isn't dropping. If quality is falling away with heading out get through it asap and bring in the buffer then. Don't bother spreading any fert until gr goes back over 20kg/day. No point in spreading because you're getting one nights rain. I'd have the bales in the paddock as soon as they went into a fresh break otherwise lighter cows and heifers will get screwed all the time. The bullies can't control the whole lot. They can't be in two places at once.

poor farmer

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Sold/gave a small lorry load of calves to my normal calf buyer yesterday morning, 1/3 fr bulls, 2/3's jex bulls, from 3 wks down to 10 days. €60/€70 for fr bulls, nothing for the jex's, said if he got sale for them he'd pay me something nxt wk, he's reasonably trustworthy.
I dropped bvd samples into the pick up point in local mart yesterday, and met one or two lads who joked with me bout my calves only making €2 earlier. Found out my man had put the four youngest/smallest jexs through the ring in my name. I would never put this type of calf through the mart, even though they were healthy, clean etc, they were too small/young for the mart.
Am I right to be a bit peed off with this guy, or should I just suck it up?

On a related selling theme, I sold a few freshly calved 2/3 lactation cows in special dairy sale in local mart .The made €1400-1500.
One cow had big back quarter and was announced as so. There is milk in all quarters,just a bit uneven looking from the back.She made €1260.
A man bought her to rear calves and now he is ringing that he is not happy and wants me to take her back (1 week later) saying she has only a small amount of milk in a back quarter.
I hate this hassle.

atlantic mist

8 75% friesian calves 80 euro each, Belgium being closed from IBR is some dose

frazzledhome

poor farmer wrote: »

On a related selling theme, I sold a few freshly calved 2/3 lactation cows in special dairy sale in local mart .The made €1400-1500.
One cow had big back quarter and was announced as so. There is milk in all quarters,just a bit uneven looking from the back.She made €1260.
A man bought her to rear calves and now he is ringing that he is not happy and wants me to take her back (1 week later) saying she has only a small amount of milk in a back quarter.
I hate this hassle.

Cow declared, allow mart deal with it. Be straight and honest about it

frazzledhome

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

And that is what's annoyed me. I'm not gonna fall out with him, maybe just let him know I didn't appreciate it.
I would only ever sell my best/strongest calves in the mart, but he choose to put in my worst in my name. He'll now come back nxt wk and tell me the jexs are only worth €2. While I'll know the 3 wk old ones he held onto were def worth more

I wouldn't sweat it. At least you didn't have to do the walk of shame out of the sellers box and listen to the lads telling you "sure they were a bit young"

Calves gone, move on but let him know you know iykwim

Base price

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

He normally takes calves on a friday morning, and rings me friday night with the herd numbers they're to be moved into. Not breaking the law, just bending it a little!

No dealer worth his salt is going to put the "worst" calves through the ring unless he has already sold the better ones and needs to offload the lesser calves.
There are collection services for JEx bull calves advertised on Donedeal.
BTW you are breaking the law as I'm sure you are aware off.

johnny122

Anyone care to comment on the ingredients?

Wildsurfer

keep going wrote: »

Are those calf milk heaters any good, would they take the chill out of maybe 75 to 100 litres in a barrel

Update on my last reply.... Finally put my Kerbl milk heater into operation... Great job in fairness. About an hour to nicely warm 150L. I have it it suspended in a blue barrell and have it on a plug in timer to come on at the required time.

stretch film

Base price wrote: »

No dealer worth his salt is going to put the "worst" calves through the ring unless he has already sold the better ones and needs to offload the lesser calves.
There are collection services for JEx bull calves advertised on Donedeal.
BTW you are breaking the law as I'm sure you are aware off.

Is he? .... dsw sold those calves through the mart unquestionably.
I've a third party brings and sells for me as many do.
Likewise the agent is providing contacts and a transport service to dsw for the farm to farm sales no?

stretch film

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Update on my last reply.... Finally put my Kerbl milk heater into operation... Great job in fairness. About an hour to nicely warm 150L. I have it it suspended in a blue barrell and have it ogn a plug in timer to come on at the required time.

Have a 40l water boiler and it will heat a bucket to say 50 degrees in a v short time. Split that between 3 buckets of stored milk and off you go. Next bucket is ready when you return.

Feeding the calves to go on any given week first thing and last with a midday feed also.

Heater on timer so just pick up bucket and run .

Id worry about warming a full barrel of milk if I wasnt going to use all of it.

kevthegaff

Sold 20 fr heifers yesterday, nice money! I'll be lambasted here all calves out the door. Going with flying herd to see how it goes

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Sold 20 fr heifers yesterday, nice money! I'll be lambasted here all calves out the door. Going with flying herd to see how it goes

Brave move Kev ,hope it works out for your .id be seriously worried about disease risk associated with a flying herd