Cork GAA Discussion Thread

eurokev · 21-02-2016 01:10PM

Jesus, Cork were shocking. Nash has no one to hit with puck outs, so goes short. Then the lads don't have the ability to make anything happen. 5 or 6 points came directly off puck outs last night. I don't fancy pa Cronin but he would have at least been a target from puck outs in the half forward line.

Cooper, Lawton and McLaughlin are far too small physically in the HF line. I personally think lehane would be one of the best players in the country if given a free rule. I never saw a better display from a player than from him for midelton in the county a few years ago. He's extremely dynamic, and we need someone to take the pressure off Hoggy who is our only top class player and will be duly targeted as such. I don't know how he makes it through season after season with how much he gets targeted\battered. Fantastic attitude.

I thought the full back line did okay. O Neill was our best player in my opinion. Half back line was abismal, almost completely anonymous and dominated physically and in the air. When they did have the ball they invariably wasted it. I was looking forward to seeing the number 7 perform. I was watching him warm up and my god he is some well built unit, but like too many on the team, they are fantastic athletes but lacking in ability.

Midfield was totally dominated, as good as Kearney is, he is just too lightweight for this level IMO, and walshy only wants to look good do something flashy I think. Cadogan was very good when he came on, but he needs to cuten up, a few times he could have went down for a free but was too honest, staying up and losing the ball, then ironically getting sent off for someone being cute against him

Id love to see the team get a few results this year that you can see that their effort and dedication warrants. But there is a real real lack of quality and ability unfortunately IMO. I'll keep supporting them anyway in the hope the hard work being put in will pay off and give us something to cheer about.

zetecescort · 21-02-2016 01:38PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Can someone clarify for me, did Nash get a yellow card earlier in the game before he got one for the incident with Brick?

Thought he might have myself and seems to be a shared view. Anyone remember?

ref went in a had a few words after the point where Walsh got a belt in the build up, no card shown. umpires presumably told the ref of something Nash said.

Rebel norrie · 21-02-2016 02:24PM

We are too soft. Not cynical. No passion. No workrate. Not good enough.

Horse84 · 21-02-2016 04:08PM

Rebel norrie wrote: »

We are too soft. Not cynical. No passion. No workrate. Not good enough.

According to Kieran Kingston he was delighted with the attitude shown. The team answered their critics he said. How laying into fellas with 10 mins to go and the game as good as lost on your home ground answers the critics I'm not sure. But that is the level we're at, very very average team that will deserve 1b status I'm afraid. That said as I've said previously Kingston is too loyal to this group of players. It needed a big new broom to sweep out and give it a shakeup.

Rebel norrie · 21-02-2016 04:15PM

Horse84 wrote: »

According to Kieran Kingston he was delighted with the attitude shown. The team answered their critics he said. How laying into fellas with 10 mins to go and the game as good as lost on your home ground answers the critics I'm not sure. But that is the level we're at, very very average team that will deserve 1b status I'm afraid. That said as I've said previously Kingston is too loyal to this group of players. It needed a big new broom to sweep out and give it a shakeup.

Looking at Tipp & Kilkenny on TV. We are defo looking at 1B next year. Which might not be a bad thing if young blood introduced. Playing high ball into one forward in first half made no sense. Felt sorry for Leahy.

It makes sense · 21-02-2016 05:20PM

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Looking at Tipp & Kilkenny on TV. We are defo looking at 1B next year. Which might not be a bad thing if young blood introduced. Playing high ball into one forward in first half made no sense. Felt sorry for Leahy.

Was not at game last night but reading the reports and then watching tipp v kil we really need to put in a full blooded 70mins next time out v Dublin no point doing it for 15mins as we will not win a single match. Watching tipp match lots of new names on both teams whereas cork seem to favour tried and tested Walsh half back midfield and half forward new lad leahy pulled after half a game murphy other week midfield then wing back grand to try fellows but give them game time in right position rather than keep going back to same at least Spillane got a run last night and if we do go down let new blood come in

SeaFields · 21-02-2016 07:27PM

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Looking at Tipp & Kilkenny on TV. We are defo looking at 1B next year. Which might not be a bad thing if young blood introduced. Playing high ball into one forward in first half made no sense. Felt sorry for Leahy.

I think it's a frightening thought what either of those two could do to us come championship going on by what we've seen so far from Cork.

Pos087 · 21-02-2016 08:10PM

No need for panic just yet. Last few years we have been very impressive in some league games and terrible come championship. Kingston and his team need time to get their game plan across to the lads. We do seem a few weeks behind Waterford and Galway but come the summer I'm sure our intensity will be way up. Look at the difference in Dublin in a week.

lukin · 21-02-2016 09:02PM

Austin Gleeson's strike on Aidan Walsh was shocking.I don't think he was even booked?

mountgomery burns · 21-02-2016 09:07PM

lukin wrote: »

Austin Gleeson's strike on Aidan Walsh was shocking.I don't think he was even booked?

No free was given. It was a free no more, he went for the ball AND got it but caught Walsh as well. Coopers was shockin, and not even highlighted tonight.

Rebel norrie · 21-02-2016 09:09PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

No free was given. It was a free no more, he went for the ball AND got it but caught Walsh as well. Coopers was shockin, and not even highlighted tonight.

How was he going for ball. Ball was in Walshs hand not his helmet.

lukin · 21-02-2016 09:21PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

No free was given. It was a free no more, he went for the ball AND got it but caught Walsh as well.

Laughable.Gleeson had no interest in the ball.

mountgomery burns · 21-02-2016 09:32PM

lukin wrote: »

Laughable.Gleeson had no interest in the ball.

Then how did the ball end up 5 yards behind Walsh? Did be throw it back, he did?

lukin · 21-02-2016 11:32PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Then how did the ball end up 5 yards behind Walsh? Did be throw it back, he did?

So let me understand this;you're saying you saw nothing wrong with the "tackle" whatsoever?

Corcaigh Abu1 · 21-02-2016 11:40PM

Very dissapointed with the game last night. no heart or hunger save for that last 10 minute rally, but too little to late at that stage. Very disheartening to be a cork supporter at the moment. So much to say bout the performance, or lack of, it's hard to know where to start.

Nash, made one save but was perfect height to him. Suppose he as nobody to hit to but I thought some of his puck outs were poor. Even the short ones, not directly into SON or McDonnell hand which put them under pressure.

FB line were always under pressure I thought. Two experienced corner backs coughed up cheap scores. Again SON struggled picking the ball first time which cost a score. When playing the short game out of defence as soon as they came up gainst a w.ford player they seemed to panic and hit an aimless ball. Spillane was solid enough. He forced Shannahan away from goal a few times. Unfortunate he didn't last the game.

Half backs were mixed. Egan was poor. His hurling isn't up to scratch. Murphy made a difference when he came on. Joyce should improve with games. Calahane was solid again and the waterford crowd didn't like him which is a sign of how much he can get into ur face. Fair play to him.

Midfield were cleaned out. kearny is the bravest lad on the pitch but is so light. Walsh wasn't making any impact when he moved here. But I did think he improved on the galway game. moylan got on a bit of ball but still the dogged type player we need in our midfielders.

I wanted to leave the grounds when I saw McLoughlin turn onto his right to take a shot in the 2nd half instead of shooting From the left. He still missed. He seems awful light and it's very hard to know where to play him. Hoggie was involved more out the field which can only be good. But as we all know we lack ball winners here. I was hoping Cooper would fetch a few balls From outs. Highlights again the importance of hardeny to the team. Was happy with Lawton. He worked hard. Got on a lot of ball and scored a peach of a point.

Felt sorry for leahy getting taking off at half time. Was he injured? Very little ball came his way. The one ball he did collect well he coughed up posession and the collective groan from the crowd could of helped Kingstons decision.
Can count the amount of times Lehane was on the ball with both hands. He scored 3 lovely points but we need him to be a leader just like harnedy is.

All the subs made a difference. Especially Ellis and cads. It's a lift young cadogen is so light too. Even thought he gets fouled a lot refs are not always gonna blow. The runs if Ellis caused Waterford problems. We may see him at midfield if joyce and Spillane stay in the backs.

So so so much to work on.but it looks like we are heading for 1b.

Figsy32 · 22-02-2016 12:00AM

I do think it's harder to properly evaluate some lads looking at the rest of the year on performances against Waterford than against other teams. Without doubt O'Neill and McDonnell were poor on the ball but they won't be marking nobody and collecting 10 short puck outs against any other team so is it of any real relevance? I would still like to have a look at other options for corner back though as they do both seem to be in decline. I felt sorry for Leahy on debut. Didn't have much of a chance being marked by 2, sometimes 3 men with high ball being pumped into him. Definitely deserves another chance.

mountgomery burns · 22-02-2016 12:09AM

lukin wrote: »

So let me understand this;you're saying you saw nothing wrong with the "tackle" whatsoever?

It was a free and at most a yellow for bad timing, there was no intent there.

Just gone back and watched that there, absolute joke to be calling for a red card. He had his eyes on the ball the whole time, you can see that from the slo mo.

As I've already said, there was one red card offense and that was Bill Cooper on Dunford's ankle.

citykat · 22-02-2016 12:46AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

It was a free and at most a yellow for bad timing, there was no intent there.

Just gone back and watched that there, absolute joke to be calling for a red card. He had his eyes on the ball the whole time, you can see that from the slo mo.

As I've already said, there was one red card offense and that was Bill Cooper on Dunford's ankle.

As a neutral I think it was a red. I think it was intentional especially given who the protagonist was. He's a super hurler but he's getting sent off too often. Even if it wasn't intentional, it was dangerous so that'll qualify as a red.

As for Coughlan. That's just shameful. Cadogan didn't deserve a yellow let alone a red. Typical umpiring, incompetent. Think there should be some kind of retropsective sanction for that kind of simulation.

Didn't see the Cooper/Dunford tackle.

HillFarmer · 22-02-2016 05:38AM

Will the match be put up on tv4 player does anyone know ? Had a quick check there but don't see it.

mountgomery burns · 22-02-2016 09:02AM

citykat wrote: »

As a neutral I think it was a red. I think it was intentional especially given who the protagonist was. He's a super hurler but he's getting sent off too often. Even if it wasn't intentional, it was dangerous so that'll qualify as a red.

As for Coughlan. That's just shameful. Cadogan didn't deserve a yellow let alone a red. Typical umpiring, incompetent. Think there should be some kind of retropsective sanction for that kind of simulation.

Didn't see the Cooper/Dunford tackle.

Yeah and you saw nothing wrong with the penalties last year Against Limerick, one week later you were up in arms about Farrell being sent off by the same ref.

I think I'll defer to a more believable 'neutral'.

DuffleBag · 22-02-2016 10:04AM

In fairness, and i say this as a corkman, it was a yellow at most. The ball was up around that general area, and if he got the ball clean we would be saying it was a great flick, but he caught him so it was definitely a free. Yellow at most. Those looking for a red need to calm down.

Broken nose for Walsh resulting from it. Had he been wearing a helmet that was safe, instead of an old cooper with a modified guard, he might've got away with it. It's just a shame the GAA insurance now wont be able to cover the costs and Cork GAA will have to pay up.

big_drive · 22-02-2016 10:40AM

Yeah it actually showed that the modified coopers with the Kilkenny style guard aren't 100% safe. Every now and again you see someone pick up an injury while wearing one. I think its actually the bars getting pushed against the nose that does the damage not actually the hurley making direct contact

JesusRef · 22-02-2016 02:58PM

DuffleBag wrote: »

In fairness, and i say this as a corkman, it was a yellow at most. The ball was up around that general area, and if he got the ball clean we would be saying it was a great flick, but he caught him so it was definitely a free. Yellow at most. Those looking for a red need to calm down.

Broken nose for Walsh resulting from it. Had he been wearing a helmet that was safe, instead of an old cooper with a modified guard, he might've got away with it. It's just a shame the GAA insurance now wont be able to cover the costs and Cork GAA will have to pay up.

I have to agree with you here - Gleeson is no angel and to give a bad pull is in him but in this instance I think he was genuinely making an attempt to play the ball, it was wild and he could have got a booking but I can't see it as malicious or dirty

JesusRef · 22-02-2016 03:03PM

I also don't think that cooper strike on dunford was bad either, the ball was loose he went for it and was slightly late.

This is hurling after all, if the ball is loose you are entitled to pull on it, in both instances no player was in control of the ball, what are opponents meant to do stand back looking at them?

Corcaigh Abu1 · 22-02-2016 03:30PM

we have conceded 1 47 in our two league games so far. That is before we play Tipp or KK. Scary stat.

hans aus dtschl · 22-02-2016 04:05PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

It was a free and at most a yellow for bad timing, there was no intent there.

Just gone back and watched that there, absolute joke to be calling for a red card. He had his eyes on the ball the whole time, you can see that from the slo mo.

As I've already said, there was one red card offense and that was Bill Cooper on Dunford's ankle.

Rule book says red card. You can say the rule book is wrong, but that's another discussion. Any contact with the helmet is red.

Horgan got red against Limerick in the Munster Final in 2013 and it was the right call and also a shame because it changed the match (Cork didn't/couldn't compete after it).

You might be saying it wasn't malicious, and you're probably right, but we can say without prejudice that the ref made a mistake. The game changed after that point also, and became a bit of a free for all.

mountgomery burns · 22-02-2016 04:07PM

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Rule book says red card. You can say the rule book is wrong, but that's another discussion. Any contact with the helmet is red.

Horgan got red against Limerick in the Munster Final in 2013 and it was the right call and also a shame because it changed the match (Cork didn't/couldn't compete after it).

You might be saying it wasn't malicious, and you're probably right, but we can say without prejudice that the ref made a mistake. The game changed after that point also, and became a bit of a free for all.

Neither I nor the vast majority of Cork people, nor the GAA thought that Horgan red card was justified. But I agree, very similar incidents. Except Gleeson actually touched the ball.

hans aus dtschl · 22-02-2016 04:17PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Neither I nor the vast majority of Cork people, nor the GAA thought that Horgan red card was justified. But I agree, very similar incidents. Except Gleeson actually touched the ball.

Yes and the added difference also that Walsh got injured. Oh and the fact that a Waterford point ensued. Crowd were pretty unhappy about it, and the ref lost control of the game as a result too IMO, lots of wild pulls after that.

Mushy · 22-02-2016 05:27PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Neither I nor the vast majority of Cork people, nor the GAA thought that Horgan red card was justified. But I agree, very similar incidents. Except Gleeson actually touched the ball.

It happened right in front of me. I'm still confused as to how it wasn't a free and a red, but then gave the Waterford point too. The blood was pumping. Gleeson was way too high with the hurley.

mountgomery burns · 22-02-2016 07:43PM

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Yes and the added difference also that Walsh got injured. Oh and the fact that a Waterford point ensued. Crowd were pretty unhappy about it, and the ref lost control of the game as a result too IMO, lots of wild pulls after that.

So he should be sent off because Waterford got a point out of it??

I've seen people get injured by accident plenty of times. Didn't see too many wild pulls at all after it to be honest. There was a bit of jostling after the first red and second red and that was it.

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