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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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  • #1052
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Fat Freddie nicked last night after the Hutch hit. Blood on his runners and tracksuit bottoms. Gardai are awaiting the results of tests.



    He wouldnt be getting out if they suspected him to be involved in that hit,not a prayer they'd release him dna results back or not.


  • #1053
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Rubbish,try explaining that to the families of Tony Golden and Adrian Donohoe.

    Tony Golden was shot and killed in a domestic dispute.


  • #1054
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Seriously are you trying to say there was no murders before fg took charge?

    The idiotic stuff I read on these threads sometimes makes me think a good portion of this country are braindead.

    Every five years boards posters change their "The Government Is Never Right" blinkers.

    The FG/Labour ones are getting quite worn at this stage.


  • #1055
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Tony Golden was shot and killed in a domestic dispute.

    Didn't rattigan get locked up for shooting at a garda car while been chased?

    These lads will shoot anyone who gets in their way make no mistake.


  • #1056
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Tony Golden was shot and killed in a domestic dispute.

    The lads in the hotel were getting a life sentence for the murder reguardless,In for a penny in for a pound as they say nobody knows but my guess is they woulda fired on the police if needed to escape.


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  • #1057
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Gamebred wrote: »
    The lads in the hotel were getting a life sentence for the murder reguardless,In for a penny in for a pound as they say nobody knows but my guess is they woulda fired on the police if needed to escape.

    Think I remember reading that killing a guard results in a full life sentence ( or a 40 yr minimum I can't quite remember) . The average regular "life sentence" here is about 17 yrs, so there is a bit of a distinction between the two.


  • #1058
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Fat Freddie nicked last night after the Hutch hit. Blood on his runners and tracksuit bottoms. Gardai are awaiting the results of tests.

    Surely they don't consider him a murder suspect? The reason why every high-profile gangster has that profile is because they don't do hits anymore I imagine. I'd have thought that carrying out a murder yourself was for ambitious up and comers trying to make a name for themselves - not established figures in the underworld. Same with any business really; the higher you climb, the less dirty work you need to do.


  • #1059
    tomwaterford
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    Hammer89 wrote: »
    Surely they don't consider him a murder suspect? The reason why every high-profile gangster has that profile is because they don't do hits anymore I imagine. I'd have thought that carrying out a murder yourself was for ambitious up and comers trying to make a name for themselves - not established figures in the underworld. Same with any business really; the higher you climb, the less dirty work you need to do.

    **shakes head**


    You just can't get the help these days


  • #1060
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Disagree. A thousand fresh faced recruits out of Templemore will no doubt assist with crime generally, but it won't fundamentally undermine gangs.

    More beat on the street means more involvement in communities. More resourcing in general is better than an overstretched workforce.
    donvito99 wrote: »
    Closing Garda Stations inconveniences people who need passport forms stamped. It doesn't make life easier for drug dealers.

    Tell that to the people in rural areas. Crime is up massively in the country. The guards are based in x, but that opens up for 3 hours a day, or not all, and you have guards spread over quite a distance attempting to respond to burglary sprees. Organised Criminal tourism targets this very weakness.

    donvito99 wrote: »
    Hugely. Hugely expensive. What do you want; more guards, stations or neither but years of costly training and enormous expense to train guards how to and when not to shoot.

    500,000 a year they saved in closing those stations. The Minister for Justice herself admitted as much.
    donvito99 wrote: »
    No they don't, they're dogs.

    Its an expression. The journos printed numerous stories including one on 30/1/16 that armed gardai were on alert as Kinahan mob fly in for boxing event.
    donvito99 wrote: »
    The "media" also predicted bloodshed last November. There can't be armed guards at every sporting event with criminals.

    And there very nearly was bloodshed last November, with another attempted hit at the Red Cow Inn but for the guman's gun jammed! Again linked to this very feud going on right now.

    I agree the guards do not have the resources, and that's not their fault. Point is very much made for them now.


  • #1061
    Hammer89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    **shakes head**

    You just can't get the help these days

    As long as there are people who look up to these blokes, there'll always be people willing to commit murder in order to raise their street credit and get in with their heroes I reckon.

    Finding a hitter for Eddie Hutch wouldn't have been too difficult. I'm sure there was no shortage of volunteers. This isn't a reflection on Hutch, because I don't know anything about him or his enemies, but I do know that killing a high-profile figure is a sure way to progress in this type of business and it seems to be below Thompson to carry it out personally.


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  • #1062
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    hurler32 wrote: »
    Fine Gael will be known forever as the party who closed all these garda stations making murder commonplace in Dublin whilst those in Rural Ireland are been robbed by travelling gangs week in week out....in rural ireland its defintley going to cost them votes...

    WTF happens to good old fashioned logic when some people enter threads like this?


  • #1063
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,927 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Its depressing to see how much money and resources will now be ploughed into these scumbags, at the expense of those who really need the services of our forces of law and order.

    I appreciate that the Gardai have to be seen to do everything they can around gangland murders/feuds etc, but wouldn't it be great if these low-lifes would just go someone and kill each other, leaving the rest of us to get on with normal life.


  • #1064
    emmetlego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭emmetlego


    Whitehall Garda station was closed in the recent cost saving measures, but it's less than 2 minutes walk, never mind a 15 second drive from the Regency. I can assure you, this hit would not have taken place so close to a Garda station. I'm not saying it wouldn't have happened elsewhere, but defo not last Friday in that location if the station was fully manned and open! Therefore the Gov have a lot to answer for.


  • #1065
    2forjoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭2forjoy


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Fat Freddie nicked last night after the Hutch hit. Blood on his runners and tracksuit bottoms. Gardai are awaiting the results of tests.

    And he was released without charge - maybe he cut himself shaving


  • #1066
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its depressing to see how much money and resources will now be ploughed into these scumbags, at the expense of those who really need the services of our forces of law and order.

    I appreciate that the Gardai have to be seen to do everything they can around gangland murders/feuds etc, but wouldn't it be great if these low-lifes would just go someone and kill each other, leaving the rest of us to get on with normal life.

    Unfortunately the next boys are queuing up to take their place.

    or as Larry Dunne put it, If you think we were bad, just wait till you see what's coming after us.


  • #1067
    donvito99
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    emmetlego wrote: »
    Whitehall Garda station was closed in the recent cost saving measures, but it's less than 2 minutes walk, never mind a 15 second drive from the Regency. I can assure you, this hit would not have taken place so close to a Garda station. I'm not saying it wouldn't have happened elsewhere, but defo not last Friday in that location if the station was fully manned and open! Therefore the Gov have a lot to answer for.

    That's bollocks. I can't count on my hand the number of times Rathmines post office has been held up, a stone's throw from Rathmines GS. These assassins were in and out in less than 2 minutes. There still had to be made 999 calls, and Gardaí needed to be dispatched. Its also reasonable to think that armed patrols were out of station on jobs. What good is the unarmed Sergeant in charge going to do when he rambles down from Whitehall GS.

    The closure of Garda stations has nothing whatsover to do with this. The reduction in overtime and the effect to schemes like Operation Anvil might have. Fundamentally, there's very little the Guards can do.


  • #1068
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    emmetlego wrote: »
    Whitehall Garda station was closed in the recent cost saving measures, but it's less than 2 minutes walk, never mind a 15 second drive from the Regency. I can assure you, this hit would not have taken place so close to a Garda station. I'm not saying it wouldn't have happened elsewhere, but defo not last Friday in that location if the station was fully manned and open! Therefore the Gov have a lot to answer for.

    Linking Garda closures to crime is a stretch. You need well trained Gardaí that can intimidate ex convicts. A lot of the criminals of this fine City can hit well known celebrity personalities, judges, politicians and the Gardaí. An extra station remaining open is not going to do a lot of good when many within the criminal underworld have known only a life of violence and hard drugs. On an upbeat note crime rates have decreased and lets see the judiciary put away a lot of these dangerous offenders.


  • #1069
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Linking Garda closures to crime is a stretch.
    Are you joking me.

    http://www.wexfordecho.ie/2016/01/03/map-shows-garda-detection-rates-for-robbery-burglary-and-theft-as-low-as-14-in-some-areas/


  • #1070
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Gamebred wrote: »
    He wouldnt be getting out if they suspected him to be involved in that hit,not a prayer they'd release him dna results back or not.

    lol thats cute

    do you know how long it takes to get dna analysis done in Ireland?

    Actually its done in the UK and it takes MONTHS !!

    even had freddy been held onto he would have been out friday on high court bail and off to where ever .........


  • #1071
    Rubber_Soul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Rubber_Soul


    STB. wrote: »
    Are you joking me.

    http://www.wexfordecho.ie/2016/01/03/map-shows-garda-detection-rates-for-robbery-burglary-and-theft-as-low-as-14-in-some-areas/

    What were the figures prior to the station closures?


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  • #1072
    Irelandcool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭Irelandcool


    Reminds a bit of Gotham City tbh. All we need is some batman-like vigilante running around the place and job done. Being in Ireland though I think Arrow would be better suited.


  • #1073
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    lol thats cute

    do you know how long it takes to get dna analysis done in Ireland?

    Actually its done in the UK and it takes MONTHS !!

    even had freddy been held onto he would have been out friday on high court bail and off to where ever .........

    Huh, that recent case(body in the canal)DNA was verified in a couple of days!?


  • #1074
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Months for DNA results to come back LOL


    as for the ''thats cute'' comment very strange.


  • #1075
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    sorry to disappoint you boys but there is more ways to id a body even in pieces than DNA.

    And yes that sort of analysis is don in a lab in the UK and yes it takes months


  • #1076
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    sorry to disappoint you boys but there is more ways to id a body even in pieces than DNA.

    And yes that sort of analysis is don in a lab in the UK and yes it takes months


  • #1077
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    So for them to match somebody with blood on their clothes to the hutch murder it would take months to get a confirmed match? genuinely asking the question I find it hard to believe.


  • #1078
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Gamebred wrote: »
    So for them to match somebody with blood on their clothes to the hutch murder it would take months to get a confirmed match? genuinely asking the question I find it hard to believe.

    for court standard evidence yes


  • #1079
    NomadicGray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭NomadicGray


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    sorry to disappoint you boys but there is more ways to id a body even in pieces than DNA.

    And yes that sort of analysis is don in a lab in the UK and yes it takes months

    In that case it was DNA analysis that matched the two finds


  • #1080
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    sorry to disappoint you boys but there is more ways to id a body even in pieces than DNA.

    And yes that sort of analysis is don in a lab in the UK and yes it takes months
    https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjV472kgOzKAhXkYJoKHVJdDncQFgg7MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.justice.ie%2Fen%2FJELR%2FPages%2FPR15000588&usg=AFQjCNFSEM3iC8oPb-tYYv7_q1L7moRyHw
    Highlighting the work undertaken to ensure the necessary practical and technical readiness to operate the database, the Minister said: “I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to the very important, largely unseen work of Forensic Science Ireland, headed up by Dr Sheila Willis. FSI already routinely does DNA testing for the Garda Síochána and has established sophisticated scientific expertise in this area, making it ideally suited to be custodians of this national DNA database. I should also commend the Garda Síochána and Commissioner Noírín O’Sullivan for the preparatory work they have undertaken, including training of individual members and the establishment of a new Forensics Coordination Office.”


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  • #1081
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Huh, that recent case(body in the canal)DNA was verified in a couple of days!?
    mynamejeff wrote: »
    sorry to disappoint you boys but there is more ways to id a body even in pieces than DNA.

    And yes that sort of analysis is don in a lab in the UK and yes it takes months

    I remember clearly Rté News stating DNA as they announced the id of that man....


    I'm sure it can take 'months' trolling through DNA samples looking for a particular match. but not when you are just pairing a sample to a known sample!?


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