Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

mynamejeff

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I remember clearly Rté News stating DNA as they announced the id of that man....

a right so sorry if rte said it it must be right , ditto Francis Fitzgerald.


still for court standard testing samples are set to the uk for testing and verification and that takes months

same thing for drug driving analysis which is why they are rarely prosecuted as solicitors object to the testing out side the state and no availability the testers for cross examination.

go ask in the legal fourm if you dont believe me .....

Jesus Wept

Wannabe gangsters. Too many re-runs of the sopranos.

Atlantic Dawn

If the Gardaí meet these guys there will be additional deaths from the initially targetted people of the thugs, possibly third parties, is society willing to accept that?

NIMAN

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If the Gardaí meet these guys there will be additional deaths from the initially targetted people of the thugs, possibly third parties, is society willing to accept that?

They have to be tackled, can't simply let them walk around the streets of Dublin with AK47s.

Having said that, the Guards did seem to have more success in fighting organised crime here maybe a decade or more ago. Whatever happened to CAB etc and targeting these guys, they seem to have free reign now?

Atlantic Dawn

NIMAN wrote: »

They have to be tackled, can't simply let them walk around the streets of Dublin with AK47s.

Having said that, the Guards did seem to have more success in fighting organised crime here maybe a decade or more ago. Whatever happened to CAB etc and targeting these guys, they seem to have free reign now?

But the current law has not been used, the basics have been left go...

• People with no visible means of income leading lifestyles way beyond their means, assets should be seized, dole should be stopped.
• People repeatedly leaving the country with no legitimate reason to, passport should be seized.

NIMAN

Exactly, totally agree.

But why have the authorities gone soft on these folk?
Why are they able to drive around in Lamborghini's? 161 Range Rovers etc?

Atlantic Dawn

NIMAN wrote: »

Exactly, totally agree.

But why have the authorities gone soft on these folk?
Why are they able to drive around in Lamborghini's? 161 Range Rovers etc?

I think a blind eye has been shown, up until Friday nothing much kill wise from these 2 players had happened in a few years.

topmanamillion

NIMAN wrote: »

Exactly, totally agree.

But why have the authorities gone soft on these folk?
Why are they able to drive around in Lamborghini's? 161 Range Rovers etc?

Guards are afraid of them and lack the resources to tackle them.
The reason guards remain in the most unarmed is because there's a theory that unarmed law enforcers are less likely to be attacked/shot than armed ones. Now that may have held up in the past but not anymore.
Apparently Kinahan is worth around billion euro. They aren't an Irish gang they are a pan European gang. To shut them down would take a serious effort coming from EU/interpol level.
Judges have an awful lot to answer for as well imagine how disheartening this kind of stuff is for Guards;

"Derek Hutch killed Barry Maguire (23) and injured another man at the same time, causing him serious harm.
While jailed for 10 years for Mr Maguire’s manslaughter, Mr Justice Patrick McCarthy suspended four years of his sentence to “keep light at the end of the tunnel” and ensure “the business of sentencing” was not about “locking someone up and throwing away the key”.
Hutch had 39 previous convictions at the time, some of which related to gangland crime."

hatrickpatrick

topmanamillion wrote: »

Mr Justice Patrick McCarthy suspended four years of his sentence to “keep light at the end of the tunnel” and ensure “the business of sentencing” was not about “locking someone up and throwing away the key”.
Hutch had 39 previous convictions at the time, some of which related to gangland crime."

This is exactly why this crap isn't getting tackled. Tackling petty crime definitely shouldn't involve hefty jail sentences like it does in America, but as far as I'm concerned anything gangland related should involve pouring cement into keyholes. Exaggerating obviously, but for f*ck's sake is it not becoming obvious that some people are just mindless animals who are too feral to be allowed out in public without supervision? Electronically tag them and lock them up at the first hint of further gangland involvement. Justice in Ireland is an absolute joke.

Calina

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

[*]People repeatedly leaving the country with no legitimate reason to, passport should be seized.
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Define legitimate reason. The country in itself is not a prison where you have to have specific reasons to be allowed come and go.

fullstop

murpho999 wrote: »

So what should they be doing today? Just go around arresting everyone with a gangland connection for no apparent reason.

Really are some stupid ideas people on this thread that are totally impractical.

FYP. There really are a lot of bitter, bitter people with an axe to grind on this thread, it's pretty funny actually!

AudreyHepburn

I have to say I love how people on this thread are trying to scapegoat everyone from the Gardai to the Government to the courts to the social welfare system for gangland culture when the truth is, whether you all like it or not, the only ones truly to blame are the gangs themselves and those shield them.

Yes of course our laws need a serious overhaul, the social welfare should be a lot more discerning about whom they issue payments to and the police be armed and have more powers when dealing with gangs but that does not give anyone the right to act like thugs, do whatever they like without any comeback and, in doing so, put innocent people in harms way.

blinding

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I have to say I love how people on this thread are trying to scapegoat everyone from the Gardai to the Government to the courts to the social welfare system for gangland culture when the truth is, whether you all like it or not, the only ones truly to blame are the gangs themselves and those shield them.

Yes of course our laws need a serious overhaul, the social welfare should be a lot more discerning about whom they issue payments to and the police be armed and have more powers when dealing with gangs but that does not give anyone the right to act like thugs, do whatever they like without any comeback and, in doing so, put innocent people in harms way.

Drug users of all shades are financing these gangsters. Its a bit funny when you consider the boycott that is suggested for some business's on other issues.

Maybe its time to boycott the drug dealers !

blinding

blinding wrote: »

Drug users of all shades are financing these gangsters. Its a bit funny when you consider the boycott that is suggested for some business's on other issues.

Maybe its time to boycott the drug dealers !

I agree but consider there have been a few reported cases of Gardaí selling coke too... It would never happen, sure Gerry ryan had a bleeding heart show or two about how recreational coke users are financing criminality... then snorted a gram or 4 off his living room floor. Drugs are part of modern life now.
Doctors, solicitors, MD's, Benn dunne!! have all been caught with it, so are they growing it in their houses!! huge demand = huge supply=competition in the market place.... No sales on isle 3 goods here, just death by AK47.

mariano rivera

Which of these gangs is Shia and which Sunni ?

arayess

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

But the current law has not been used, the basics have been left go...

• People with no visible means of income leading lifestyles way beyond their means, assets should be seized, dole should be stopped.
  [*]People repeatedly leaving the country with no legitimate reason to, passport should be seized.

where did you get the second one?

are you denying people free movement one of the cornerstones of the EU?
we aren't north korea

ectoraige

One point that I haven't seen mentioned is that the Gardaí could well have had surveillance in place at the event, but that doesn't mean there are armed officers on standby to deal with an attack. Most likely form of surveillance would be an undercover detective there to note who was talking/meeting with who. He or she would not really be in a position to take on a heavily armed group, and doing anything more than making a call for backup could easily compromise a long term surveillance operation. I heard the commissioner speaking and she seemed to say they didn't have warning of an attack, but that doesn't rule out that they were monitoring the event. If there were, it's not really something she would be in a position to reveal.

hatrickpatrick

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I have to say I love how people on this thread are trying to scapegoat everyone from the Gardai to the Government to the courts to the social welfare system for gangland culture when the truth is, whether you all like it or not, the only ones truly to blame are the gangs themselves and those shield them.

Yes of course our laws need a serious overhaul, the social welfare should be a lot more discerning about whom they issue payments to and the police be armed and have more powers when dealing with gangs but that does not give anyone the right to act like thugs, do whatever they like without any comeback and, in doing so, put innocent people in harms way.

The justice system is there to prevent scumbags from being able to operate, and in Ireland, the Gardai are repeatedly thwarted by the courts time and time again.

It must be truly heartbreaking to work long hours, overtime, sometimes probably even unpaid overtime, in extremely dangerous conditions and dealing with extremely dangerous people, building a case and securing a conviction only for a judge to say "aww the poor lad had an uncle with asthma, sure he's only an innocent victim. Suspended six month sentence for multiple attempted shootings, off you go now and don't do it again."

If someone is a violent scumbag by nature, they do not belong in public society, end of story.

hatrickpatrick

mariano rivera wrote: »

Which of these gangs is Shia and which Sunni ?

I think in this particular case, the collective noun "shi'ite" would be far more appropriate. :pac:

Tilly

Reports of an attempted break in: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-probe-underway-after-latest-incident-linked-to-gangland-feud-in-dublin-34441769.html

Supernintento Chalmers

And on it rumbles...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-probe-underway-after-latest-incident-linked-to-gangland-feud-in-dublin-34441769.html

homerjay2005

Tilly wrote: »

Reports of an attempted break in: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-probe-underway-after-latest-incident-linked-to-gangland-feud-in-dublin-34441769.html

any idea where this happened??

Sunday World suggest it was 2 members of the Kinihan gang.

Supernintento Chalmers

homerjay2005 wrote: »

any idea where this happened??

Sunday World suggest it was 2 members of the Kinihan gang.

Terrible article.
One sentence followed by the same old videos being posted again.

Tilly

homerjay2005 wrote: »

any idea where this happened??

Sunday World suggest it was 2 members of the Kinihan gang.

No idea, i'd say more will come out later if it just happened. Why cant they all just piss off back to Marbella

ghostfacekilla

Hypothetically, if the blood on <mod snip> please don't speculate on names </mod snip> clothing is proven to be a match for the latest murder victim, he could be a dangerous animal until the results are in.
He was identified as the shooter in the blasting of <snippy> in his own bed years ago but charges were not pressed.

Gamebred

It was his own blood according to the rags.

Supernintento Chalmers

Gamebred wrote: »

It was his own blood according to the rags.

Ya, he'd a bad cut on his had, apparently.

Were's Lt. Lenk when ya need him?

Gamebred

I wouldnt blame him either not pulling in for the police if it was undercover pulling him in,could of been anyone trying to shoot him pretending to be police.

SEPT 23 1989

ghostfacekilla wrote: »

Hypothetically, if the blood on <mod snip> please don't speculate on names </mod snip> clothing is proven to be a match for the latest murder victim, he could be a dangerous animal until the results are in.
He was identified as the shooter in the blasting of <snippy> in his own bed years ago but charges were not pressed.

he would be the most stupidest criminal in the world if he left blood all over his clothes driving around town hours after a murder:D

...And Justice

The SCC has been in operation for 70 year's, Labour party were against it in 2009. Fcuking hilarious this has become an election issue.

I'm undecided on the issue because in Ireland, usually the panel of judges are made up of barristers appointed by the current government elected, so they have their "bias" to the government at the time