The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Son Of A Vidic · 06-01-2016 11:37PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Christ, I know his numbers have been down but he only turned 30 during the season! This is even more unexpected than Patrick Willis, it's not like WR is as high impact a position as ILB. Maybe he just lost his hunger for the game and has enough money to call it quits; doesn't strike me as the type who would've recklessly blown it all either. Him, Andre Johnson and Fitzgerald always seemed to have good heads on their shoulders after taking over for TO/Moss as 'the' top WRs in the game.

I'd say one of us has a greater chance of being the 1st pick in the 2016 draft, before Johnson retires. I think his cap hit is $24 million next season and he knows the Lions won't be paying him that money. It's likely he feels he won't be a Lion in 2016, so I read his comments as a subtle come and get me hint to the league.

Knex* · 07-01-2016 12:21AM

Jerry Rice facts always astound me...

Rice had more receiving yards after turning 31, than Megatron has in his career thus far.

NotYourYear20 · 07-01-2016 02:40AM

Knex. wrote: »

Jerry Rice facts always astound me...

Rice had more receiving yards after turning 31, than Megatron has in his career thus far.

Like many fans, I was a great admirer of Rice. Then the idiot came out and admitted to using stickum on his gloves & arms. Which is sad because that burst the bubble and made him a cheat in my eyes.

BizzyC · 07-01-2016 07:37AM

Lovie Smith fired by the Bucs, now that was a surprise....

I actually thought he had done a good job in turning his roster around the last two years and had a team with a solid chance of a playoff birth next year.

Knex* · 07-01-2016 08:30AM

His record over two years was pretty poor, I think though. 8-24, which probably swayed it.

I know TB have had their issues, but there's a fair amount of talent on that roster, and Winston had one of the best rookies years that I remember for a QB. Lovie is unlucky though, considering he had a decent reign in Chicago as well. Winston probably wouldn't have minded having a second year with him, and grow in the system, although the OC might not change.

I think they are set to have some interesting battles in that division over the next few years. Panthers have another year before they have to look at contracts for Short, Lotulelei, Kalil and a few others, although Norman's contract is up this year, and Johnson has a huge cap hit next year.

Falcons and the Saints you can never rule out. Definitely not while Brees and Payton are still in New Orleans, although you have to wonder how much longer Drew Brees is going to be able to compensate for that defence.

Anyway, a pretty interesting division to keep an eye on, over the next few years.

Knex* · 07-01-2016 08:40AM

Lavonte David doesn't agree, anyway

Also said:

This is stupid, we can't even have a consistent coach, 3 coaches in 5 yrs

Both since deleted.

HigginsJ · 07-01-2016 08:55AM

Apparently they feared losing the OC so they will appoint him as head coach in an effort to keep Winston in the same system.

Knex* · 07-01-2016 08:58AM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Apparently they feared losing the OC so they will appoint him as head coach in an effort to keep Winston in the same system.

Makes sense when you consider Smith is a defense guy, and that hasn't exactly been a strength of theirs since he came in, I suppose.

Son Of A Vidic · 07-01-2016 02:16PM

NotYourYear20 wrote: »

Like many fans, I was a great admirer of Rice. Then the idiot came out and admitted to using stickum on his gloves & arms. Which is sad because that burst the bubble and made him a cheat in my eyes.

I was nearly a Niners fan before I became a Pats fan back in the Eighties and the Niners were always my second team. I idolised Montana and loved when Rice was added to his WR corp. But like yourself, that stickum revelation made me lose all respect for Rice.:(

Billy86 · 07-01-2016 02:51PM

Knex. wrote: »

His record over two years was pretty poor, I think though. 8-24, which probably swayed it.

I know TB have had their issues, but there's a fair amount of talent on that roster, and Winston had one of the best rookies years that I remember for a QB.

That (and the roster) is probably a big reason why he is gone though. Not so much that he did very poorly with them per se, considering the sh*te show he picked up from maybe the biggest clown of a head coach I can remember being in the NFL, but Winston has a serious look of a guy who could go down as one of the very, very, very best of his generation. Not to mention having Mike Evans to throw to and a rejuvenated Doug Martin in the backfield. Evans/Winston are each just 22, and Martin is 26 so there is a lot of lifespan in that trio.

I'm guessing they have a major coup lined up, or at the very least they can get one. Very few HC's would want to turn that trio down.

matthew8 · 07-01-2016 02:53PM

Knex. wrote: »

Jerry Rice facts always astound me...

Rice had more receiving yards after turning 31, than Megatron has in his career thus far.

Why is it amazing? Megatron hasn't turned 31 yet.

Knex* · 07-01-2016 03:03PM

matthew8 wrote: »

Why is it amazing? Megatron hasn't turned 31 yet.

Because Megatron has had a HoF type career, and Rice pretty much had that career again, after the age that Megatron is about to retire at. So disregard everything Rice did before 31, and he's still a HoF caliber receiver. That's madness.

In Calvin Johnson, we're talking about one of the very best, yet he hasn't even had half the career that Rice had, and that's not even looking at Super Bowl wins.

The more I see his stats, the more I can't get over how far and away he is from Randy Moss, who himself is some distance ahead of TO.

Its like Gretzy and point totals in hockey. Nobody comes close. Just so far and away the clear greatest in their positions. Its crazy to see. I'm not sure of any other athletes in similar situations, tbh.

Billy86 · 07-01-2016 03:21PM

Knex. wrote: »

Jerry Rice facts always astound me...

Rice had more receiving yards after turning 31, than Megatron has in his career thus far.

For me, Rice is probably the best player of all time - not just position specific. If Watt can have a 15 year career at his current level, I would likely put him ahead, but that's a long way off still. I don't hold the stickum thing against him all too much; it's a black spot sure, but if we are disregarding what players achieved because of cheating, let's just say there are quite a few we would have to write off as well.

As for the Moss thing though, yeah Rice had the better career and in that sense was of course the better of the two. But give me one WR at their best for a single game, and I'm going to Moss every time. I think any Green Bay fan in the world would given how often we got to see him at his best... against us

(apparently we were highly touted to draft him in '98 but passed him up; the Vikings took him two choices later). Culpepper was pretty good for a while, but seeing how he did with Brady it is scary to think what he could have managed with Favre for the decade 1998-2007. Rice might be the greatest of all time, but Randy Moss is quite possibly the most naturally talented and dangerous player the sport has ever seen. His 30 for 30 documentary is pretty good too, I've a far better opinion/understanding of him as a person after it.

Gronk is not all too far off in that sense though; not as dangerous deep, but possibly the most unstoppable force ever. Certainly that I've ever seen.

ScummyMan · 07-01-2016 04:02PM

Peyton announced as the starter for the playoffs. Surprised at the timing of the announcement but probably the correct decision.

Raoul · 07-01-2016 04:12PM

Brock Osweiler suffered knee sprain vs. Chargers and won't practice today. Expected to be ready to backup Manning in playoffs. #9news

Hmm...yeah...:)

Paully D · 07-01-2016 10:28PM

Knex. wrote: »

Makes sense when you consider Smith is a defense guy, and that hasn't exactly been a strength of theirs since he came in, I suppose.

They went from 26th in 2014 to 11th in 2015 in defense though. A big improvement. They also improved on offense from 30th in 2014 to 19th in 2015, and he went from 2-14 in 2014 to 6-10 in 2015. Now that record is nothing to be proud of on the face of things, but when you look a bit deeper it's a decent improvement.

If Winston is going to be their franchise guy then he will able to adapt and work with another coordinator. Considering he has only had a year working with the current one, it's not as if their relationship was unbreakable. Coordinators leave every single year.

Sacking Smith when they had made improvements almost everywhere, some of them significant, and bending over to a coordinator who has been there for a year smacks of a move from a franchise who haven't had any sort of success for almost a decade.

A ridiculous move IMO. He deserved at least one more year.

Knex* · 08-01-2016 10:08AM

Just thinking back to how bad I thought the Jags picking Bortles at three was.

I believe I'm quite wrong on that one now.

08-01-2016 10:11AM

Knex. wrote: »

Just thinking back to how bad I thought the Jags picking Bortles at three was.

I believe I'm quite wrong on that one now.

I think everyone was to be fair you could see why they picked him but at 3 it seemed like madness (I did pick Carr to be the best qb out of that class though so that wasn't a bad call bout time I came close to hitting on one)

D9Male · 08-01-2016 10:23AM

I am going to go against the grain and say that I am not sold on Bortles yet. He seems very loose with the ball still and when I have seen him, he seems to be taking advantage of the weapons on his offence with his long throws. Some people will see him as giving dudes like Robinson the chance to make a play, but I would take Teddy ahead of Bortles if you put a gun to my head (and I am not the biggest Teddy fan in the world),

Understand that most people will disagree with me, but this is what I think.

08-01-2016 10:35AM

D9Male wrote: »

I am going to go against the grain and say that I am not sold on Bortles yet. He seems very loose with the ball still and when I have seen him, he seems to be taking advantage of the weapons on his offence with his long throws. Some people will see him as giving dudes like Robinson the chance to make a play, but I would take Teddy ahead of Bortles if you put a gun to my head (and I am not the biggest Teddy fan in the world),

Understand that most people will disagree with me, but this is what I think.

I'm not saying I'm sold on him per say he's just played way better than I expected

Knex* · 08-01-2016 11:10AM

I like the growing trend, really. Jags fans are saying they have a franchise QB, and I suppose you can't blame them, but like ye, I'm not quite on that train yet.

However, he's the most sacked QB in the league, and while some of that comes from him holding onto the ball too long, the production he has managed, with both his arm and his feet, has to be looked at fondly.

Its clear he has the physical skills, and the more I look into him, the more I like his character and approach to the game. While I don't see him having the same upside as Luck, or Wilson etc, I do think he can certainly be the face of that franchise, all going well.

I really want to see Jacksonville push on and be an AFC contender again.

Speaking of Carr, I would put him ahead of Bortles too. And I believe Raiders are in even better shape. One of the exciting franchises to watch in the future with himself, Mack and Cooper.

Itssoeasy · 08-01-2016 11:59AM

2016 pro football hall of fame finalists.
So a maximum of five from these guys. It's really four as favre is a lock imo.
Morten Andersen, Kicker -- 1982-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-2000, 2006-07 Atlanta Falcons, 2001 New York Giants, 2002-03 Kansas City Chiefs, 2004 Minnesota Vikings

Steve Atwater, Safety -- 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets

Don Coryell, Coach -- 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

Terrell Davis, Running Back -- 1995-2001 Denver Broncos

Tony Dungy, Coach -- 1996-2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2002-08 Indianapolis Colts

Alan Faneca, Guard -- 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals

Brett Favre, Quarterback -- 1991 Atlanta Falcons, 1992-2007 Green Bay Packers, 2008 New York Jets, 2009-2010 Minnesota Vikings

Kevin Greene, Linebacker/Defensive End -- 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

Marvin Harrison, Wide Receiver -- 1996-2008 Indianapolis Colts

Joe Jacoby, Tackle -- 1981-1993 Washington Redskins

Edgerrin James, Running Back -- 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals, 2009 Seattle Seahawks

John Lynch, Free Safety -- 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos

Terrell Owens, Wide Receiver -- 1996-2003 San Francisco 49ers, 2004-05 Philadelphia Eagles, 2006-08 Dallas Cowboys, 2009 Buffalo Bills, 2010 Cincinnati Bengals

Orlando Pace, Tackle -- 1997-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Chicago Bears

Kurt Warner, Quarterback -- 1998-2003 St. Louis Rams, 2004 New York Giants, 2005-09 Arizona Cardinals

Shedite27 · 08-01-2016 12:01PM

I'll guess...
Favre, Green, Harrison, Pace, Warner

adrian522 · 08-01-2016 12:05PM

If the criteria for getting in is what they say it is, TO is in. If it is what they say it is.

Knex* · 08-01-2016 12:09PM

TO has to get in.

Billy86 · 08-01-2016 01:24PM

I'd like to see TO, Morten Anderson, Dungy and Pace.

Surprised TO Has been 5 years out of the league to be honest.

Itssoeasy · 08-01-2016 01:36PM

Right for me it's Favre, warner, TD, TO(as as much of a dick he seemed to have been in the locker room. He didn't get in trouble off the field), and Don Coryell.

adrian522 · 08-01-2016 01:39PM

Anthony Davis really needs to stay off Twitter...

https://twitter.com/_69POV_/status/685321145822793728/photo/1

I played for Greg Schiano and Jim Harbaugh, I can play for anyone. https://t.co/fbXVcR0OcE

— AD (@BamDavis_) January 8, 2016

One is a good Coach and one is a Great coach, both assholes. They may feel the same about me, that's fair. Either way, we won together.

— AD (@BamDavis_) January 8, 2016

boccy23 · 08-01-2016 01:51PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Right for me it's Favre, warner, TD, TO(as as much of a dick he seemed to have been in the locker room. He didn't get in trouble off the field), and Don Coryell.

Favre, Warner & Pace are definite for me.

TO won't go as historically WR are not elected on first year of eligibility.

For that reason, I think Marvin Harrison will get in.

Son Of A Vidic · 08-01-2016 02:56PM

Billy86 wrote: »

For me, Rice is probably the best player of all time - not just position specific. If Watt can have a 15 year career at his current level, I would likely put him ahead, but that's a long way off still. I don't hold the stickum thing against him all too much; it's a black spot sure

For me, I'm afraid it's more than a black spot and what makes it worst is, the guy admitted to cheating. Stickum is a coulourless, very sticky adhesive and Rice coated his gloves and forearms in it, right up to his elbows. A WR like Rice used stickum because it made catching & holding the ball way, way easier and reduced the risk of fumbles. And that's why the NFL made it illegal to use and banned it back in 1981. What makes it worse is, it's not as if we can brush it off as some rival fan jealousy & hearsay, that you often get trying to tarnish great players. Rice himself was stupid enough to open his mouth about it and when that happened, that ruined him and his achievements in my eyes. After that, Moss brushes him aside and takes the number one spot for my GOAT WR.

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