Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

joe_99 · 27-11-2015 04:12PM

@damienirel There is no company in the world that only goes after unprofitable customers. The reality is all companies need profitable customers in order to pay for unprofitable ones. eir and Virgin and Siro are right to target areas where they can make a profit before they build network in unprofitable areas. It's the customers in the urban areas that enable rural customers to pay the same price for broadband even though it so much more expensive to serve them.

If eir don't build network in the urban areas then SIRO and Virgin will and are. This would leave eir completely uncompetitive and unprofitable and therefore they'd have to even stop serving rural areas completely as they'd have gone bust. There is a reason why when given a blank canvass both SIRO and Virgin started in urban areas

rob808 · 28-11-2015 01:08AM

joe_99 wrote: »

@damienirel There is no company in the world that only goes after unprofitable customers. The reality is all companies need profitable customers in order to pay for unprofitable ones. eir and Virgin and Siro are right to target areas where they can make a profit before they build network in unprofitable areas. It's the customers in the urban areas that enable rural customers to pay the same price for broadband even though it so much more expensive to serve them.

If eir don't build network in the urban areas then SIRO and Virgin will and are. This would leave eir completely uncompetitive and unprofitable and therefore they'd have to even stop serving rural areas completely as they'd have gone bust. There is a reason why when given a blank canvass both SIRO and Virgin started in urban areas

I don't know about unprofitable I'm on 4mb with eir paying same money as someone on FTTC.It mainly the shareholders they want money back fast so they want eir to target urban areas.
I'm glad they are doing rural areas with there 300,000 homes and hope they win a good bit of NBP because FTTH way better than any fixed wireless can offer.

ED E · 28-11-2015 01:14AM

rob808 wrote: »

I don't know about unprofitable I'm on 4mb with eir paying same money as someone on FTTC.It mainly the shareholders they want money back fast so they want eir to target urban areas.
I'm glad they are doing rural areas with there 300,000 homes and hope they win a good bit of NBP because FTTH way better than any fixed wireless can offer.

Its cheaper to provide 100Mb or even gigabit in Castleknock that it is to provide 1Mb in Termonfeckin. Thats life.

rob808 · 28-11-2015 01:31AM

ED E wrote: »

Its cheaper to provide 100Mb or even gigabit in Castleknock that it is to provide 1Mb in Termonfeckin. Thats life.

well that true but don't think anybody need 1Gb but nice to get it if you can sure beat my Stone Age 4mb:D.

murphaph · 28-11-2015 07:09AM

rob808 wrote: »

I don't know about unprofitable I'm on 4mb with eir paying same money as someone on FTTC.It mainly the shareholders they want money back fast so they want eir to target urban areas.
I'm glad they are doing rural areas with there 300,000 homes and hope they win a good bit of NBP because FTTH way better than any fixed wireless can offer.

Your 4 Meg line costs more to maintain than a short, modern ducted urban 100 Meg line. That's just the reality of rural telecommunications.

rob808 · 28-11-2015 10:38AM

murphaph wrote: »

Your 4 Meg line costs more to maintain than a short, modern ducted urban 100 Meg line. That's just the reality of rural telecommunications.

I have underground ducting but I get what your saying.

seaniefr · 28-11-2015 09:11PM

rob808 wrote: »

murphaph wrote: »

Your 4 Meg line costs more to maintain than a short, modern ducted urban 100 Meg line. That's just the reality of rural telecommunications.

I have underground ducting but I get what your saying.

So even it does cost more as per above posts I'll bet they still make a profit at the end of the year on them and given that the lines around my neck of the woods have been around for the best part of 30 years I am sure they have made money off them.

irishgeo · 01-12-2015 01:40PM

just wondering about the entry point to the house, how eir get the fibre ? i got a wood floor in the hallway at present, will they need to get through that?

loyatemu · 01-12-2015 02:04PM

irishgeo wrote: »

just wondering about the entry point to the house, how eir get the fibre ? i got a wood floor in the hallway at present, will they need to get through that?

how does your existing phoneline get in?

irishgeo · 01-12-2015 03:09PM

loyatemu wrote: »

how does your existing phoneline get in?

certain it comes up through the floor. ill have to check

Mango Joe · 01-12-2015 10:05PM

irishgeo wrote: »

certain it comes up through the floor. ill have to check

Sorry but your floor is going to look like an earthquake struck the Jenga World Championships by the time Eir are done with it.....

BandMember · 01-12-2015 11:09PM

Mango Joe wrote: »

Sorry but your floor is going to look like an earthquake struck the Jenga World Championships by the time Eir are done with it.....

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

ECO_Mental · 03-12-2015 01:38AM

Quick update lads, here is the fastest i've got it yet, mostly its around the 700-750 Mb/s. I was hoping is was going to be in the 900's maybe its because I am using cat5e cables, also I have eVision and I know the Eir partition off a chunk for the TV but not 100Mb

. I am testing this on a decent i7 laptop just over a year old so it should take it no problem. The 5e lead is only a short 1.5 meter patch lead so I though that wouldn't make too much of a diff or would it? I think I will get a Cat6 anyway just to be sure.

The xbox one is still around the 600-700 range but that's also on 5e so I probably change that out also to CAT6. Downloaded a game over the weekend 8.47GB on XBox live and it took 7mins flat to download it. I worked it out and that averages about 150Mb/s over the duration of the file download. I will download a larger game tomorrow around the 20GB range to see how that gets on. The XBone is only giving me 350Mb at the moment as I presume the Yanks are flat out at the moment and the xbox tests to Seattle

sibergoth · 03-12-2015 07:31AM

try the Dublin, Eir speedtest hub instead of whatever speedtest chooses... i don't know if the other test sites are even capable of 1Gbps...

i always get a better result on the Dub servers anyway..

edit - i don't think the cat5/cat6 will make any difference. do you have a local switch/hub on your LAN ? or direct into the router?

ED E · 03-12-2015 10:12AM

Consumer grade cabling rarely goes above 95% efficiency, you're at 79% so not THAT far off. Cabling does make a big difference also at these speeds the F2000 may be doing its best.

Test off Wexford, thats an international interconnect so there's rakes of bandwidth there.

ECO_Mental · 03-12-2015 10:29AM

sibergoth wrote: »

try the Dublin, Eir speedtest hub instead of whatever speedtest chooses... i don't know if the other test sites are even capable of 1Gbps...

i always get a better result on the Dub servers anyway..

edit - i don't think the cat5/cat6 will make any difference. do you have a local switch/hub on your LAN ? or direct into the router?

Yeah I tried all the Dublin servers but still this was the best, that test was done straight off the Eir F2000, the xbone goes through a gigabit switch though. ED E recommended that I go to the Wexford server so I'll give that a hop this evening. Also I may as well get a CAT6 cable no point in not having the infrastructure right although I though the 5e could hold it as they are rated to 1000 (but only just I suppose:rolleyes:)

Deagol · 03-12-2015 07:11PM

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the xbone goes through a gigabit switch though.

If it's a cheapee switch like my TP-Link that might be where you're losing some anyway. I had mine tested once and it's throughput was rather disappointing.

pegasus1 · 04-12-2015 02:35PM

dont know if this has been posted...€87 a month :eek:

https://www.eir.ie/extreme/

Deagol · 04-12-2015 02:38PM

dont know if this has been posted...€87 a month

Has been posted before. I'm not sure how much some people expected to pay for a 1gb connection

Liamario · 04-12-2015 02:39PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

dont know if this has been posted...€87 a month :eek:

https://www.eir.ie/extreme/

Way too expensive. They should take 20€ off that

Deagol · 04-12-2015 02:42PM

Liamario wrote: »

Way too expensive. They should take 20€ off that

So you think €67 a month is the correct amount to pay for a landline with anytime telephone calls and 1Gb/s? Does the term ROI mean anything?

Liamario · 04-12-2015 02:45PM

You sound angry. 67€ for just the broadband sounds reasonable. I couldn't care less about the landline. Unfortunately, they only seem to sell bundles.

Deagol · 04-12-2015 02:52PM

Liamario wrote: »

You sound angry. 67€ for just the broadband sounds reasonable. I couldn't care less about the landline. Unfortunately, they only seem to sell bundles.

I'm not angry, I'm just tired of people who say things without thinking fully about it. Why not just say €20 sounds reasonable? Reasonable is defined by your means no?

Why would anyone sell 1Gb/s BB package for almost the same price as their competitors sell 24mb/s?

And if you'd been following the thread you'd see they do do BB without a bundle, but it's easier to jump in and make comments :rolleyes:

Liamario · 04-12-2015 03:02PM

Deagol wrote: »

I'm not angry, I'm just tired of people who say things without thinking fully about it. Why not just say €20 sounds reasonable? Reasonable is defined by your means no?

Why would anyone sell 1Gb/s BB package for almost the same price as their competitors sell 24mb/s?

And if you'd been following the thread you'd see they do do BB without a bundle, but it's easier to jump in and make comments :rolleyes:

You're not angry, no. I pay €50 for my efibre, do you think €90 is an intelligent price point? I couldn't afford it at €67, but to me that seems like a more reasonable price point, at which point your average joe would consider upgrading.

MajesticDonkey · 04-12-2015 03:21PM

Liamario wrote: »

You're not angry, no. I pay €50 for my efibre, do you think €90 is an intelligent price point? I couldn't afford it at €67, but to me that seems like a more reasonable price point, at which point your average joe would consider upgrading.

A 1 Gbps connection isn't for your average joe, so they're not going to consider upgrading.

pegasus1 · 04-12-2015 04:05PM

Deagol wrote: »

Why would anyone sell 1Gb/s BB package for almost the same price as their competitors sell 24mb/s?

Why would anyone sell 24Mb/s BB package for the same price as their 3Mb/s?
:rolleyes:

pegasus1 · 04-12-2015 04:07PM

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

A 1 Gbps connection isn't for your average joe, so they're not going to consider upgrading.

Well thats the plan fooked then...cause 99% of the pop is the average joe...

MajesticDonkey · 04-12-2015 04:11PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Well thats the plan fooked then...cause 99% of the pop is the average joe...

For now, yes, but as more people sign up and more competitors come online the price will come down.

Liamario · 04-12-2015 05:38PM

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

For now, yes, but as more people sign up and more competitors come online the price will come down.

I appreciate that, but that price is still quite high even for those who appreciate the benefit of it. Your suggesting that they've invested millions into a niche product.

MajesticDonkey · 04-12-2015 05:57PM

Liamario wrote: »

I appreciate that, but that price is still quite high even for those who appreciate the benefit of it. Your suggesting that they've invested millions into a niche product.

Well at the moment, I would consider it niche (and they have spent millions on it), and I'm sure plenty of others in this forum would too. The absolute majority of internet users in Ireland have absolutely no reason to want/need a connection speed of more than 100 Mbps, so why would they pay extra to have one? In a year or two, that will probably be different, when internet demands increase further.

Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

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