Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

ItHurtsWhenIP

Liamario wrote: »

Way too expensive. They should take 20€ off that

If you check this post above you will see you can get 150/30Mbps FTTH for €50 and 300/50Mbps for €58, without phoneline. That'd fit your price bracket. :rolleyes:

Avada

pegasus1 wrote: »

Why would anyone sell 24Mb/s BB package for the same price as their 3Mb/s?
:rolleyes:

Because it's the same line and same technology. ADSL and FTTH are not.

When ADSL2 started in Ireland started, they had different prices depending on Speeds though

Liamario

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

If you check this post above you will see you can get 150/30Mbps FTTH for €50 and 300/50Mbps for €58, without phoneline. That'd fit your price bracket. :rolleyes:

Nothing to do with my price bracket. To do with what people reasonably expect to pay for broadband of any speed. €87 is too high if they want any sort of decent numbers to upgrade.

digiman

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Yeah I tried all the Dublin servers but still this was the best, that test was done straight off the Eir F2000, the xbone goes through a gigabit switch though. ED E recommended that I go to the Wexford server so I'll give that a hop this evening. Also I may as well get a CAT6 cable no point in not having the infrastructure right although I though the 5e could hold it as they are rated to 1000 (but only just I suppose:rolleyes:)

What browser are you using? Also if you have a macbook, try that instead, results will be much better

rob808

Liamario wrote: »

Nothing to do with my price bracket. To do with what people reasonably expect to pay for broadband of any speed. €87 is too high if they want any sort of decent numbers to upgrade.

well 1Gb there premium pack so €87 the price you have to pay or look at what the other ISP charge don't expect them to be much cheaper premium product premium price eir said that when they were announcing 1Gb.

bk

People need to stop thinking broadband prices are based on speed. Eir charge much the same for a 3Mb/s ADSL, 15Mb/s ADSL2+ and a 100Mb/s VDSL2+ line.

There is almost no cost difference for Eir in delivering 150Mb/s or 1Gb/s over a FTTH line.

There is however a cost difference between a FTTH line and a copper line.

However it is also true that the vast majority of people have a price point above which they won't pay more no mater how much faster it is. I'd say that is around €50 to €60. ADSL only took off in Ireland once Eircom dropped the price from €120 to €55 all those years ago.

Thing is, there is no point in Eir investing tens or even hundreds if millions in rolling out FTTH, if joe average finds it too expensive to upgrade too. They are just pissing money away then.

Specially when you consider that it actually costs Eir considerably less to maintain and operate a FTTH network versus the copper network. In the medium to long term, FTTH is actually cheaper for Eir then copper! So it is definitely in Eir's financial interest to get most people on FTTH in the long term.

What I expect is happening at the moment, is that they are purposefully keeping prices high so that too many people don't sign up for it and instead they can gain more experience and train up more staff with the smaller number of early adopters. Once they have gained this experience and importantly once Comreg give them permission to start decommission the copper network, then I think they will drop the price closer to the VDSL prices and drive take up then.

ED E

Spot on BK.

1. They're still doing their big recruitment drive. More staff a comin'.

2. The copper network costs dont really disappear until everyone in a locality transitions over to FTTH. It makes sense for them to get ready then entice full areas over at once. If regional pricing was approved this could be a big thing.

Johnboy1951

ED E wrote: »

Spot on BK.

1. They're still doing their big recruitment drive. More staff a comin'.

2. The copper network costs dont really disappear until everyone in a locality transitions over to FTTH. It makes sense for them to get ready then entice full areas over at once. If regional pricing was approved this could be a big thing.

Hopefully never!

The whole country is small enough to be one 'region'.

Stinicker

I think people already on FTTH should try download Fedora Linux as its from the Heanet servers; that would give them a good indication of the pipes speed test capability, preferably using Internet Download Manager IDM

ECO_Mental

Stinicker wrote: »

I think people already on FTTH should try download Fedora Linux as its from the Heanet servers; that would give them a good indication of the pipes speed test capability, preferably using Internet Download Manager IDM

I will try that tomorrow, at the inlaws for the weekend

Johnboy1951

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I will try that tomorrow, at the inlaws for the weekend

Ah go for a big download ....... try this one at 3.9GB

http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/pclinuxos/pclinuxos/live-cd/pclinuxos-kde-fullmonty-2014.12.iso

ECO_Mental

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Ah go for a big download ....... try this one at 3.9GB

http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/pclinuxos/pclinuxos/live-cd/pclinuxos-kde-fullmonty-2014.12.iso

did this yesterday evening and wasn't too successful the files size was just over 4GB and took well over 20 odd minutes. Now it was on my crappy laptop using Firefox. It was showing around 7MB/s or 56Megabits/s download speeds(at the time I was getting 500Mbs on speedtest.net, don't think my laptop can handle all the data too well:o)

Now this morning I downloaded a game off Xbox Live its was 15GB and that took 17mins and by my reckoning that was on average 117Mb/s. I also did another game at 8GB and that took 7mins flat and that averages out at 150Mb/s. The speed tests on the Xbox at the time were in the 650Mb/s range. I am assuming the Microsoft servers can handle the data through put

How long would it take you to download 15GB with "Normal BB". This week I am going to swap out the CAT5e for all CAT6 and take the XBone out of the Netgear gigabit switch to see if that makes a difference, I dont think it will.

boardzz

I noticed on Eir website they are advertising that a user can upload 100 songs in 3 seconds.
That would mean the speed would be a 1Gig upload which Eir don't offer right?

swoofer

all that advertising is rubbish, its all hypotheitcal and it assumes everyone has 1gb down and 1gb up. You will notice eir dont even show speeds anymore. when I do a speedtest to the eir server I get 945mb down and 95mb up but you are inn effect dong nothing, Choose a different server and speed drops, use a different router and speed drops again. This is all new tech. I can dowload some stuff at 11mb as opposed to 4.5mb with efibre. some pages load faster others the same. I kept efibre fttc so i can compare. The difference is .. not a lot. I get 38mb down with efibre. The pings are 11 with fttc and 6/7 with ftth. All advertising is lies Not tried uploading yet.

All I can say is am as happy as .. Not in a million years did I think I would have ftth. Apparently siro are goinf to have 1gb down and 1gb up but it will probably be limited.

I forgot to say eir can do the same as there are 2 fibre cables when they do the installation, they only use one, for the future. I dont think I'll see 1gb down and up with eir.

digiman

swoofer wrote: »

all that advertising is rubbish, its all hypotheitcal and it assumes everyone has 1gb down and 1gb up. You will notice eir dont even show speeds anymore. when I do a speedtest to the eir server I get 945mb down and 95mb up but you are inn effect dong nothing, Choose a different server and speed drops, use a different router and speed drops again. This is all new tech. I can dowload some stuff at 11mb as opposed to 4.5mb with efibre. some pages load faster others the same. I kept efibre fttc so i can compare. The difference is .. not a lot. I get 38mb down with efibre. The pings are 11 with fttc and 6/7 with ftth. All advertising is lies Not tried uploading yet.

All I can say is am as happy as .. Not in a million years did I think I would have ftth. Apparently siro are goinf to have 1gb down and 1gb up but it will probably be limited.

I forgot to say eir can do the same as there are 2 fibre cables when they do the installation, they only use one, for the future. I dont think I'll see 1gb down and up with eir.

Not sure what more you are expecting Eir to do here? You basically have a 1Gb/s from your home to Eirs peering points, after that you are on the internet and there are no guarantees what speed you will get.

You know that you get 1Gb/s as you have done a speedtest within Eir's network and that is all they are in control off. Once you select a different speedtest server that is out of their control. The speedtest server you are connected to could have a 100Mb connection or a 10 year old server, who knows??!! Even in a good case where they have a 1Gb/s and a good server, it only takes another couple of users to download from that same server and you both slow down.

In a few years time when the rest of the world catches up with your connection then you can start to the reap the benefits of having a 1Gb/s connection, until then at least you know you have a future proofed connection and are the envy of most of this forum.

bk

swoofer wrote: »

All I can say is am as happy as .. Not in a million years did I think I would have ftth. Apparently siro are goinf to have 1gb down and 1gb up but it will probably be limited.

I forgot to say eir can do the same as there are 2 fibre cables when they do the installation, they only use one, for the future. I dont think I'll see 1gb down and up with eir.

Eir and Siro both seem to be using the exactly same FTTH technology, GPON, which means they are both capable of the same upload and download speeds. OF course that doesn't mean they will decide to offer the exact same products. I'm sure they will have different combinations of speed and performance.

BTW GPON is not symmetric, it's total upload speed is half of the download speed.

It is good that Eir pull two fibers, in case one fails. But I don't expect they will activate both simultaneously. However they can potentially offer even faster speeds in future by upgrading to future standards 10GPON, 40GPON, etc.

FTTH is the broadband technology for the next 100 years and we are just at the start of its evolution now.

511

bk wrote: »

Eir and Siro both seem to be using the exactly same FTTH technology, GPON, which means they are both capable of the same upload and download speeds. OF course that doesn't mean they will decide to offer the exact same products. I'm sure they will have different combinations of speed and performance.

BTW GPON is not symmetric, it's total upload speed is half of the download speed.

It is good that Eir pull two fibers, in case one fails. But I don't expect they will activate both simultaneously. However they can potentially offer even faster speeds in future by upgrading to future standards 10GPON, 40GPON, etc.

FTTH is the broadband technology for the next 100 years and we are just at the start of its evolution now.

What do google fibre use? they get "Up to 1 gigabit (1,000 Mbps) upload & download speeds" according to their website.

swoofer

I know digiman and I am not complaining, I was explaining the speeds fiasco.

@bk can you theoretically get 1gb up and down on the same fibre? Best I get is 95mb so I assumed eir had maxed it at that!!

Nollog

511 wrote: »

What do google fibre use? they get "Up to 1 gigabit (1,000 Mbps) upload & download speeds" according to their website.

they use gpon.

swoofer wrote: »

I know digiman and I am not complaining, I was explaining the speeds fiasco.

@bk can you theoretically get 1gb up and down on the same fibre? Best I get is 95mb so I assumed eir had maxed it at that!!

The theoretical is 2.5Gb/1.5Gb down/up for first generations, I berieve.

sibergoth

in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is advantaged

in the land of shyte internet, the FTTH is the dogs...

the advantages as i see it are being able to do many things at once, rather than expect servers to be able to pump out downloads to one point at 1000Mbps.

bk

GPON is 2.488 Gbit/s down, 1.244 Gbit/s up, but shared with up to 64 of your neighbours. I believe Eir are only sharing with 32 neighbours, which is more typical these days for GPON networks.

As to what Google Fiber use, there has been a lot of mystery, confusion and uncertainty around that, as Google themselves don't say.

What I believe they are doing, is a slightly unusual setup of GPON sitting on top of WDM-PON. So in the customers home it looks like just plain old GPON, but in fact it is sitting on top of WDM-PON. This means each customer has a dedicated wavelenght, thus they aren't actually sharing the GPON connection with any other neighbours like you would with Eir/Siro and are thus able to take advantage of the full GPON speeds.

ED E

bk wrote: »

GPON is 2.488 Gbit/s down, 1.244 Gbit/s up, but shared with up to 64 of your neighbours. I believe Eir are only sharing with 32 neighbours, which is more typical these days for GPON networks.

As to what Google Fiber use, there has been a lot of mystery, confusion and uncertainty around that, as Google themselves don't say.

What I believe they are doing, is a slightly unusual setup of GPON sitting on top of WDM-PON. So in the customers home it looks like just plain old GPON, but in fact it is sitting on top of WDM-PON. This means each customer has a dedicated wavelenght, thus they aren't actually sharing the GPON connection with any other neighbours like you would with Eir/Siro and are thus able to take advantage of the full GPON speeds.

Eir are rolling with 10GPON not GPON

swoofer

As a matter of interest what's the logic in keeping the upload speed so low? It would make more sense to me to have a faster upload and slower download.

just curious

rob808

swoofer wrote: »

As a matter of interest what's the logic in keeping the upload speed so low? It would make more sense to me to have a faster upload and slower download.

just curious

They probably don't want to stress the network yet or they think people don't need a 1Gb up at the moment.

ED E

Its a limit of the tech and standards devised by the ITU. Its not eir saying people dont need 1G up.

If they run one fibre from the exchange to every house, symmetric. If they run 20 fibres to the vicinity then split off its Asymmetric. The latter is cheaper to deploy.

KOR101

ED E wrote: »

Eir are rolling with 10GPON not GPON

Is 10GPON 10 times GPON (GPON is 2.488 Gbit/s down, 1.244 Gbit/s up), shared between 32 customers?

ED E

KOR101 wrote: »

Is 10GPON 10 times GPON (GPON is 2.488 Gbit/s down, 1.244 Gbit/s up), shared between 32 customers?

10Gigabit, not 10x GPON.

So its 10GB split up to 32 ways. Probably less in most areas. Most estates have one cab for 200 homes and 20 fibres to use, so thats 10 subs per fibre, roughly, giving 1Gb down 0.1Gb up.

joe_99

swoofer wrote: »

As a matter of interest what's the logic in keeping the upload speed so low? It would make more sense to me to have a faster upload and slower download.

just curious

I reckon it would cannibalise existing revenues received from business leased line products as busineses would switch to consumer priced products.

PFL

Hi, just got the 1GB FTTH installed today - delighted. Just wondering as free calls to landline and mobiles are included, how long did it take for the line to activate and also for speeds to ramp up, currently getting about 200MB

ctlsleh

ED E wrote: »

Eir are rolling with 10GPON not GPON

they are rolling out standard GPON, there are no volume NGPON or XGPON rollouts anywhere in the world, in actual fact, NGPON which has only just been ratified will most likely only be used for Enterprise customers as GPON has enough BW for the next 5-10 years