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  • #52
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,723 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Sidewards Man wrote: »
    Have you a link to prove that?

    :confused:

    Vid 1: KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov, interviewd by G. Edward Griffin

    Vid 2: A montage of multiple other videos.


  • #53
    constance tench
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    ''The population at large is looking for a savior. The religious groups are expecting a Messiah to come...see how it goes''

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZHRgTskEhE


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KN9sIuKroM


  • #54
    constance tench
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    For clarity:^^

    Video 1 above describes the subversive process. This was recorded in 1983 and discusses present activity.

    Video 2 is to illustrate the truth during crisis stage that Bezmenov speaks of and not to suggest that 'joos' done it.


  • #55
    pueblo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭pueblo


    classic Problem Reaction Solution shenanigans


  • #56
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    French national anthem is going to be played before all premier league matches this weekend. It's embarrassing at this stage. I mean, WTF?!


  • #57
    leavingirl
    Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    What's the plan?

    The plan is that in a few years if you speak out you will be taken out.


  • #58
    ByfocalPhoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭ByfocalPhoto


    According to this blogger Europe seems to be in a downward spiral.
    http://mywatchblog.net/?p=21


  • #59
    Corpus Twisty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭Corpus Twisty


    ByfocalPhoto wrote: »
    According to this blogger Europe seems to be in a downward spiral.
    http://mywatchblog.net/?p=21

    Wow. Such insight. Much clever. So in touch.

    Who knew?


  • #60
    el diablo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Anyone know anything about this website?

    http://www.hijra2ireland.org/#!home/hk6ak


    They're coming.
    Our Mission

    "Hijra to Ireland" is a non-political body that has set a goal to bring as many Muslims to the state as possible. We believe that Ireland is a place where Muslims can thrive and create sprawling communities that fulfil the will of our prophet, peace be upon him, and lead a Muslim life based on his teachings.

    We do not wish any harm to the Irish who have welcomed Muslims to their home for nearly a century. All we want is to coexist and build a life that enables each party to live the way it wants in a multicultural atmosphere without any fear.

    Why Ireland

    Religious Tolerance:

    Ireland is a nation founded on deep respect for religion. This makes Ireland one of the most accepting nations in the world when it comes to enabling one to live a full Muslim life without fear of discrimination.
    The Muslim community in Ireland is small, but rapidly growing. The population has grown by more than 12 times its original size in the past 20 years.
    The Muslim community in Ireland accepts all sects and all Muslims, whether Shiite, Sunni or any other affiliation.
    Life in Ireland allow integration into a Muslim community in a western nation without having to fear the pressure to assimilate into Irish culture.

    Financial Benefits:

    Ireland is experiencing an economic revival, presenting new and exciting opportunities for immigrants.
    The majority of Irish society believes that immigration is important for the nation's development. For that reason, you are not only improving your life, but also doing something good for the nation you will be moving to.
    Irish youth have grown up expecting a certain life style that does not involve hard work and manual labor. Because of this, Irish natives will be reluctant to work in jobs that require such work and pay a modest amount of money. These jobs provide an excellent entry point for immigrants.
    Benefits Tax: Ireland Immigrants To Have A Variety Of Options To Receive Aid From Thestate, While Enjoying Taxation Benefits And Stipends That Are Awarded In Case Of Job Loss Or Other Incidents. There are many ways in which one can maximize the amount of money that can be awarded by the state.

    Advanced healthcare services:

    Irish hospitals are equipped with the latest technology the western world has to offer. The state of Ireland grants immigrants who arrive to it access to these services that normally do not come free to the Irish citizen.

    Rich Education:

    Education is one of the most important aspects in a person's life. Children in Ireland are taught the value of acceptance along with many life skills that allow them to prepare for the future. While quality education in Ireland can be quite expensive, Immigrants and asylum seekers get aid and sometimes even full funding in order to achieve their full potential.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



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  • #61
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    Life in Ireland allow integration into a Muslim community in a western nation without having to fear the pressure to assimilate into Irish culture.


    Thats the only thing I have an issue with here. If you move to another country you are obliged to respect that nations values.
    I would also expect people to at least try and assimilate in some part to the culture of the country.

    The reason that Muslims have been accepted in Ireland to date is that they have at the very least, generally speaking, interacted positively with their communities but a blanket welcome in this day and age WILL bite us very firmly on the ass.


  • #62
    Emme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    Titanucd wrote: »
    Life in Ireland allow integration into a Muslim community in a western nation without having to fear the pressure to assimilate into Irish culture.


    Thats the only thing I have an issue with here. If you move to another country you are obliged to respect that nations values.
    I would also expect people to at least try and assimilate in some part to the culture of the country.

    The reason that Muslims have been accepted in Ireland to date is that they have at the very least, generally speaking, interacted positively with their communities but a blanket welcome in this day and age WILL bite us very firmly on the ass.

    Maybe we have been very lucky with the type of Muslim immigrants who come to Ireland. Compared to Muslim communities in other countries the Muslim comment in Ireland is relatively prosperous. Perhaps our attitude and philosophy in Ireland attracts these people. Students who come and go, middle-class professionals and people who want to work. People who would condemn the conduct of the gangs in Germany and other European countries on NYE. Some of these young men seem to have no respect for anybody. Muslim women in refugee shelters have been harassed and raped. No Muslims I have met here would condone this behavior and I don't think they would want them here giving the Muslim community a bad name.

    The Royal College of Surgeons has a good proportion of Muslim students and Clonskeagh is a positive example of a Muslim community.

    This makes me wonder if the so-called Muslim arrivals in Germany are part of a destabilization agenda rather than genuine Muslims looking to make a life for themselves. They were drinking and taking drugs on NYE - hardly the behavior of good Muslims.


  • #63
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    Emme wrote: »
    Maybe we have been very lucky with the type of Muslim immigrants who come to Ireland. Compared to Muslim communities in other countries the Muslim comment in Ireland is relatively prosperous. Perhaps our attitude and philosophy in Ireland attracts these people. Students who come and go, middle-class professionals and people who want to work. People who would condemn the conduct of the gangs in Germany and other European countries on NYE. Some of these young men seem to have no respect for anybody. Muslim women in refugee shelters have been harassed and raped. No Muslims I have met here would condone this behavior and I don't think they would want them here giving the Muslim community a bad name.

    The Royal College of Surgeons has a good proportion of Muslim students and Clonskeagh is a positive example of a Muslim community.

    This makes me wonder if the so-called Muslim arrivals in Germany are part of a destabilization agenda rather than genuine Muslims looking to make a life for themselves. They were drinking and taking drugs on NYE - hardly the behavior of good Muslims.


    Yeah agree with all that. I suppose your last point about a destabilization agenda is what has me worried. If this element see Ireland as an easy target (which it is) and they decide to 'infiltrate' the regular Muslim community here would we be able to cope?


  • #64
    Emme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    Titanucd wrote: »
    Yeah agree with all that. I suppose your last point about a destabilization agenda is what has me worried. If this element see Ireland as an easy target (which it is) and they decide to 'infiltrate' the regular Muslim community here would we be able to cope?

    Would they infiltrate the regular Muslim community here? I think it would be difficult. Did IRA terrorists infiltrate the professional Irish community in the UK? These are completely different groups of people albeit with the same religious background.

    Some of the Muslims in Germany are 2nd or 3rd Turkish "Gastarbeiters", people who came to help rebuild Germany after WWII. The original Gastarbeiters would not have been graduates or professionals though some of their children and grandchildren may be now. Unfortunately some of their children and grandchildren are unemployed and disenfranchised. These are the people (or men) who have been infiltrated by radical and sexist ideals and who form gangs and congregate in ghettos and no-go areas. Poverty has a lot more to do with destabilization than religion and ideology. IF there is a destabilization agenda it will be fueled by poverty on the side of European Muslims and ethnic Europeans. The conflict in Northern Ireland was fueled by poverty on both sides. Middle class Catholics and Protestants got along fine throughout the troubles.

    A major economic collapse would fuel destabilization even more.


  • #65
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Titanucd wrote: »
    Life in Ireland allow integration into a Muslim community in a western nation without having to fear the pressure to assimilate into Irish culture.


    Thats the only thing I have an issue with here. If you move to another country you are obliged to respect that nations values.
    I would also expect people to at least try and assimilate in some part to the culture of the country.
    I don't know what you mean here? No one coming here has to take on Irish values (whatever they are), they just have to obey the laws and pay their taxes.

    Their religion is their own business, what they eat is their own business, what kind of music and what kind of films they consume is their own business.

    I don't see what values they're supposed to take on, I don't agree with any religious values, Irish people are Catholic in name only most the time, many completely ignore all the rules of their religion. Is that what you mean? That Muslims should be more lapse in their faith like Irish people?

    Do you mean they should go around playing the fiddle and speaking Irish? Should they spend more time in the pub? What are these Irish values?


  • #66
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I don't know what you mean here? No one coming here has to take on Irish values (whatever they are), they just have to obey the laws and pay their taxes.

    Their religion is their own business, what they eat is their own business, what kind of music and what kind of films they consume is their own business.

    I don't see what values they're supposed to take on, I don't agree with any religious values, Irish people are Catholic in name only most the time, many completely ignore all the rules of their religion. Is that what you mean? That Muslims should be more lapse in their faith like Irish people?

    Do you mean they should go around playing the fiddle and speaking Irish? Should they spend more time in the pub? What are these Irish values?

    By values I suppose I meant at least try to integrate. My point had already been made invalid to an extent by Emme's posts. Emme explained that radicalisation etc is far more likely to happen due to poverty than any deep seated religious convictions which I agree is probably correct.

    But to answer your question on what values? Well the basics, Women are equals, They are allowed drive, They can dress how they want. All the other basic stuff that we here in the west that maybe would be frowned upon in some Muslim countries.

    Also I have never played the fiddle and cant speak Irish doesnt mean I haven't integrated somewhat into Irish society.


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  • #67
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »
    Is the "current" refugee "crisis" a manufactured event?

    Dunno why there isn't a CT thread on it, if there is, Mods, please delete this.

    My opinion? It's too sudden, too full-on and too welcomed by our political masters to be just a confluence of events. I smell deeper interests..or it could be the dog, he is fairly damp.

    at least in the case of germany it is clearly manufactured with the aim to liquidate the german people and nation as a coherent entity…
    manufactured by whom and why? basically the same powers and interest groups that have waged war – military, economic and propaganda war – on and off against germany since well over a century ago…and since two major wars and complete economic annihilation could not get the job done, and later the germans could not be prevented (and try they did) from reuniting, mass immigration is now the ultimate “bloodless” weapon, accompanied by a media propaganda campaign of unheard-of proportions…and merkel and her government are but a puppets in it all…
    sounds like tinfoil hat nonsense? don’t think so…too many influential people have called for the elimination of the german people one way or another…names like clemenceau, thatcher, hooton, churchill, bronfman and others come to mind…what we are witnessing today is really just the latest step in the implementation of the master plan…


  • #68
    Titanucd
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Titanucd


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    at least in the case of germany it is clearly manufactured with the aim to liquidate the german people and nation as a coherent entity…
    manufactured by whom and why? basically the same powers and interest groups that have waged war – military, economic and propaganda war – on and off against germany since well over a century ago…and since two major wars and complete economic annihilation could not get the job done, and later the germans could not be prevented (and try they did) from reuniting, mass immigration is now the ultimate “bloodless” weapon, accompanied by a media propaganda campaign of unheard-of proportions…and merkel and her government are but a puppets in it all…
    sounds like tinfoil hat nonsense? don’t think so…too many influential people have called for the elimination of the german people one way or another…names like clemenceau, thatcher, hooton, churchill, bronfman and others come to mind…what we are witnessing today is really just the latest step in the implementation of the master plan…


    So do you think the whole refugee crisis is deliberately manufactured to destroy Germany? Why? If it is manufactured Is it not more likely a ploy to destabilise and destroy the west in general?

    Some of this whole refugee crisis thing reeks worse than an open sewer in very high temperatures but a plot to destroy Germany? I dont understand.


  • #69
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Titanucd wrote: »
    But to answer your question on what values? Well the basics, Women are equals, They are allowed drive, They can dress how they want. All the other basic stuff that we here in the west that maybe would be frowned upon in some Muslim countries.
    These are basically the laws of the land though. You can't make any man respect a women, sometimes it's just ingrained in them. There are plenty of men in this country that only put up with women because they're forced to, through law. Women had to fight tooth and nail to get any level of respect in this country and it could very easily be argued the job is nowhere near completed yet.

    I think Most Muslims that move to a western country know the score. They might not like seeing women wearing clothes they don't approve of but I think like hardcore Christians at worst they shake their head and move on. You're always going to get some who get more vocal and spit venom but that comes from just about any hardcore religious person, Muslim or Christian. It's a fault of their religion, they've cherry picked the mean stuff and ignored the "turn the other cheek" stuff.


  • #70
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Titanucd wrote: »
    So do you think the whole refugee crisis is deliberately manufactured to destroy Germany? Why? If it is manufactured Is it not more likely a ploy to destabilise and destroy the west in general?

    Some of this whole refugee crisis thing reeks worse than an open sewer in very high temperatures but a plot to destroy Germany? I dont understand.

    well yes, it does go well beyond germany…germany is just the most obvious case as things are crystal clear and have been “officially” announced many times throughout the decades…whereas why the swedes want to go is really beyond me, must be a weird mental thing, like jantelagen related or something…
    and yeah, the destruction of the western world as we know it is part of a larger agenda, too…and starting with europe, germany will have to fall in order for it all to go ahead…i also think there are several agendas at work at the same time: the one to destroy germany, another more recent one to liquidate all peoples and nations and turn humans into sheep, users and followers, then the ancient muslim agenda to take over europe, and of course a european suicidal agenda without which none of it would even be possible…germany is just the one country where all agendas come together in a way…


  • #71
    pueblo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭pueblo


    Norway seems to be having an interesting time with it's new arrivals...

    MUSLIMS-NO-DEMOCRACY.jpe


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  • #72
    el diablo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Titanucd wrote: »
    Life in Ireland allow integration into a Muslim community in a western nation without having to fear the pressure to assimilate into Irish culture.


    Thats the only thing I have an issue with here. If you move to another country you are obliged to respect that nations values.
    I would also expect people to at least try and assimilate in some part to the culture of the country.

    The reason that Muslims have been accepted in Ireland to date is that they have at the very least, generally speaking, interacted positively with their communities but a blanket welcome in this day and age WILL bite us very firmly on the ass.

    Well I have an issue with this website advising Muslims how to enter Ireland illegally and over stay their visas.


    http://www.hijra2ireland.org/#!making-hijra/eyy4k

    How to make hijra to Ireland:

    Ireland is a very attractive destination for immigrants who come from all over the world. For this reason, the Irish government understands that it can create barriers for immigrants as there is very high demand for Irish residency. This section will help you understand what are the ways that can help you get into the country and begin your new life:

    Getting a work permit:

    In order to gain Irish residency you need to receive a work permit first. This is the most straightforward way to immigrate, and can be very complicated. Ireland is looking for skilled workers, and if you have training in a required field you can receive a work permit with relative ease in comparison to other. The full list of required professions can be found at the Irish immigration authority website (www.inis.gov.ie).

    Student visa:

    A common way for young immigrants to get access to Ireland is through a student visa. However, Irish authorities require that every student visa holder present a valid attendance record to prove that he is indeed a student.

    Even with these restrictions using a student visa is a valid choice for anyone who needs to get initial entry to the country, even if they their college years are long behind them. Many use this method in order to buy time to plan their future in Ireland.

    Staying in the country:

    Immigration authorities in Ireland are very strict, however enforcement throughout the state is lacking. For this reason, you can enter the country as a tourist, student or any other way and stay without much fear of being deported. Undocumented immigrants in Ireland are plentiful, and the economic system is able to sustain them.

    There are even organizations in Ireland that offer aid to undocumented immigrants and lobby for them on a national level (for a good example, visit www.mrci.ie). Ireland is truly one of the world's most accommodating nations when it comes to immigrants.

    Seeking asylum

    Many foreigners who are seeking a better future for themselves and their families in Ireland choose to apply for asylum. This option is good for any person who originates from a country suffering from conflict or who has a substantial fear for his life.

    However, this option is also valid for anyone who chooses to apply for asylum regardless the reason. While the application is being considered, the Irish system provides all applicants with a weekly stipend, housing and education. The duration of the application process can be very lengthy with many chances to appeal unwanted decisions, and prolong the stay in the country.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • #73
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,723 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    pueblo wrote: »
    Norway seems to be having an interesting time with it's new arrivals...

    MUSLIMS-NO-DEMOCRACY.jpe

    I tried briefly looking for any news in Norway regarding islamic protests - then simply protests - and came up blank for anything current (2015 or newer). Do you have a link?


  • #74
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Overheal wrote: »
    I tried briefly looking for any news in Norway regarding islamic protests - then simply protests - and came up blank for anything current (2015 or newer). Do you have a link?
    The website the picture comes from is hilarious. http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/



    Even the ads on the site are hilarious, your man has a shop selling bulk orders of food for your fallout shelter.


  • #75
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,723 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I guess the Y'all Qaeda Militia better watch out for the government mind control beams.


  • #76
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    at least in the case of germany it is clearly manufactured with the aim to liquidate the german people and nation as a coherent entity…
    manufactured by whom and why? basically the same powers and interest groups that have waged war – military, economic and propaganda war – on and off against germany since well over a century ago…and since two major wars and complete economic annihilation could not get the job done, and later the germans could not be prevented (and try they did) from reuniting, mass immigration is now the ultimate “bloodless” weapon, accompanied by a media propaganda campaign of unheard-of proportions…and merkel and her government are but a puppets in it all…
    sounds like tinfoil hat nonsense? don’t think so…too many influential people have called for the elimination of the german people one way or another…names like clemenceau, thatcher, hooton, churchill, bronfman and others come to mind…what we are witnessing today is really just the latest step in the implementation of the master plan…

    Germany lost 2 world wars. In each they were the aggressor.

    The Marshall plan enabled Germany to quickly become the worlds third biggest economy less than a generation after WW2.
    German reunification was ultimately supported by western powers and indeed Israel.
    If the refugee crisis is a conspiracy to destroy Germany it is a Heath Robinson way of going about it.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #77
    pueblo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭pueblo


    Overheal wrote: »
    I tried briefly looking for any news in Norway regarding islamic protests - then simply protests - and came up blank for anything current (2015 or newer). Do you have a link?

    Yeah I will admit the image is a bit out of date and a bit irrelevant.

    I was really referring to the recent announcement by the Norweigan police that "they had lost Gronland" (a suburb of Oslo) to sharia patrols...

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/norway-oslo-police-we-have-lost-the-city

    also to the rape of a 3 year old boy at an immigrant centre..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/3-year-old-boy-raped-at-asylum-centre-in-norway-a6808551.html

    ScumLord wrote: »
    your man has a shop selling bulk orders of food for your fallout shelter.

    Don't you buy in bulk for your fallout shelter? :)


  • #78
    pueblo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭pueblo


    ScumLord wrote: »
    These are basically the laws of the land though. You can't make any man respect a women, sometimes it's just ingrained in them. There are plenty of men in this country that only put up with women because they're forced to, through law. Women had to fight tooth and nail to get any level of respect in this country and it could very easily be argued the job is nowhere near completed yet.

    I think Most Muslims that move to a western country know the score. They might not like seeing women wearing clothes they don't approve of but I think like hardcore Christians at worst they shake their head and move on. You're always going to get some who get more vocal and spit venom but that comes from just about any hardcore religious person, Muslim or Christian. It's a fault of their religion, they've cherry picked the mean stuff and ignored the "turn the other cheek" stuff.

    (My emphasis above) The problem is they like too much.


  • #79
    pueblo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭pueblo


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The US will be a net producer of oil soon and they import most of their oil from Canada/Mexico. Instigating a war in the Middle East generally equals higher oil prices. The French/Chinese won most of the oil contracts in Iraq, which cost the US billions to invade. Syria has no oil and a war-town Iraq = more expensive oil for everyone, besides OPEC is already fairly onside with the US/EU

    (My emphasis above) Higher oil prices? That prediction's not working out so well is it with oil prices plummeting.

    Also, Syria does have oil.... and gas....


  • #80
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Germany lost 2 world wars. In each they were the aggressor.

    The Marshall plan enabled Germany to quickly become the worlds third biggest economy less than a generation after WW2.
    German reunification was ultimately supported by western powers and indeed Israel.
    If the refugee crisis is a conspiracy to destroy Germany it is a Heath Robinson way of going about it.

    sure, that’s the “official” winners’ version anyway…reality is and has always been a tad more complex than that, or as napoleon put it "history is a set of lies agreed upon"…you probably also think charles the great (charlemagne) was french and wrocław is naturally polish…but i know that’s what they taught in school…
    the marshall plan is totally overrated, other countries (uk, fr etc.) got more per capita than germany, and the only major western power that supported reunification was the us (bush sr.) while the british (thatcher) did all they could to prevent it yet were powerless in the end, and the french only gave up resistance after germany had agreed to sign away its fiscal sovereignty (the euro)…


  • #81
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pueblo wrote: »
    (My emphasis above) Higher oil prices? That prediction's not working out so well is it with oil prices plummeting.

    No major oil producing nations are being invaded. In 2003, when war was instigated, the price jumped
    Also, Syria does have oil.... and gas....

    Relatively small amounts, less than half a percent of total global production before the conflict


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  • #82
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    well yes, it does go well beyond germany…germany is just the most obvious case as things are crystal clear and have been “officially” announced many times throughout the decades…whereas why the swedes want to go is really beyond me, must be a weird mental thing, like jantelagen related or something…
    and yeah, the destruction of the western world as we know it is part of a larger agenda, too…and starting with europe, germany will have to fall in order for it all to go ahead…i also think there are several agendas at work at the same time: the one to destroy germany, another more recent one to liquidate all peoples and nations and turn humans into sheep, users and followers, then the ancient muslim agenda to take over europe, and of course a european suicidal agenda without which none of it would even be possible…germany is just the one country where all agendas come together in a way…

    I don't get this, there's a plot to "destroy" Europe with refugees?

    Tighten borders, plot foiled

    There's large civil war going on in Syria, millions are displaced, not to mention large recent instability all over the region, poor economic conditions and other conflicts in the rest of the Middle East and North Africa. They are going to better countries, neighbouring Jordan has taken in 1.5 million. It's just what happens, e.g. when there was a famine in Ireland, millions of us fled and emigrated.. it wasn't some sort of plot to "destroy" the US


  • #83
    PVNevin
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭PVNevin


    Washinghton, London, Paris, Berlin: the instigators of the slaughter from North Africa to Afghanistan.
    Take a look at this short article on World Socialist Web Site- "Washington invokes hunger to promote war in Syria", and it's refernce to the Kuwaiti incubators lie.......

    Concerning the Kuwaiti incubators story: this lie manufactured in the brain of a servant of Imperialism also had another message.
    The implication being that Iraq was a backward country which had to steal such equipment. And therefore why would you, a concerned citizen from Europe, North America etc give your attention and efforts to defend the likes of that! Defend those savages that don't even have basic hospital equipment?
    Iraq, Syria and Libya were all secular regimes. The social, economic and cultural achievements in these countries threatened the malevolent intent of the Imperialist. Hussein, Gadaffi and Assad were the pretext, not the reason for the Imperialist onslaught.


  • #84
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,723 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I don't get this, there's a plot to "destroy" Europe with refugees?
    I've heard people invoke this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift


  • #85
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I don't get this, there's a plot to "destroy" Europe with refugees?

    Tighten borders, plot foiled

    There's large civil war going on in Syria, millions are displaced, not to mention large recent instability all over the region, poor economic conditions and other conflicts in the rest of the Middle East and North Africa. They are going to better countries, neighbouring Jordan has taken in 1.5 million. It's just what happens, e.g. when there was a famine in Ireland, millions of us fled and emigrated.. it wasn't some sort of plot to "destroy" the US

    yeah i know all this is not easy to comprehend, only took me a few decades…and just tightening the borders won’t really happen as it would foil the agenda…


  • #86
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    pueblo wrote: »
    Don't you buy in bulk for your fallout shelter? :)
    No, I think prepping is pointless, especially in a zombie apocalypse. I started a thread on it after I made that post.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057549520


  • #87
    regi3457
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭regi3457


    Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »
    Is the "current" refugee "crisis" a manufactured event?

    Dunno why there isn't a CT thread on it, if there is, Mods, please delete this.

    My opinion? It's too sudden, too full-on and too welcomed by our political masters to be just a confluence of events. I smell deeper interests..or it could be the dog, he is fairly damp.

    The public must be led to believe that they are living in an area of "prosperity" and that people are just dying to get in here. This way the elite class can continue to exploit the docile majority of the Eurozone as they continue to believe that their world is utopia.


  • #88
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,226 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Please don't just dump links and videos here without any sort of description and opinion.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #89
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    regi3457 wrote: »
    The public must be led to believe that they are living in an area of "prosperity" and that people are just dying to get in here. This way the elite class can continue to exploit the docile majority of the Eurozone as they continue to believe that their world is utopia.

    We are living in areas of prosperity compared to many places in the world. Especially North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa and areas in the Middle East.


  • #90
    regi3457
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭regi3457


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    We are living in areas of prosperity compared to many places in the world. Especially North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa and areas in the Middle East.

    It is exactly these type of comparisons that keep you and everyone else blindly in line and on the economic treadmill producing more wealth for the banks & elite of this world. You are not incorrect of course because most people do live better in Ireland than in India for example but that is because the generation of wealth for the this elite by our society is so much higher in Europe than in those poor countries. A slave is a slave but even some slaves may be granted certain luxuries / freedoms from time to time if they are better slaves.


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  • #91
    Emme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    regi3457 wrote: »
    A slave is a slave but even some slaves may be granted certain luxuries / freedoms from time to time if they are better slaves.

    I don't want to go off topic but consider an average worker in Europe versus somebody in India who works in slave conditions. Most workers in Ireland use transport such as car, bus or train to get to work consuming oil in the process. They work all week in relatively good conditions and make a profit for their employers. They spend their wages on food and other necessities, much of which is produced by large corporations. Even though people nominally work 40 hours a week if they commute an hour each way they spend 10 hours a week "working" for oil companies. If they are paying a mortgage some of their wages goes towards enriching big banks. The money they spend on food products (as opposed to fresh unprocessed food bought from local sources) in supermarkets goes towards enriching food companies. They consume mass media produced by media companies in their spare time. If they get stressed from it all and have to take prescription drugs they are enriching drug companies. They consume electricity which is produced by large companies and may be made using oil. They have to look professional for work so they buy mass produced clothing, often produced under sweatshop conditions in countries like India. They may never stop to think about this or that mass media products such as flatscreen TVs, tablets and phones are produced in sweatshop conditions by workers in other countries.

    The best "slaves" in Europe and America consume lots of oil, electricity, prescription drugs, mass media and food products as well as putting in a long working week.

    The sweatshop worker in India works longer hours in worse conditions. They may not have the same disposable income as the European or American worker but all workers spend their time producing equal wealth for their "masters".

    A self-sufficient agrarian society is a nightmare for the "masters". An organic farmer who owns his or her source of production, is self-sufficient or buys local produce only. They may use a minimal amount of oil on the farm but they don't consume nearly enough to keep the "masters" happy.

    If we all decided to live like the Amish in the morning it would be the ultimate nightmare for the "masters".

    Back to refugees. If suitably qualified refugees in Europe are willing to do the work Europeans currently do for less money this makes the "masters" even richer. In the meantime arms companies are profiting from the wars and disputes which have forced the refugees from their homes. It isn't just arms companies that profit from war, food companies and other contractors also benefit. This is why there is always a war of some sort going on in the world. Look at the countries involved in those wars and you will see the origin of some of the companies that benefit from organised conflict.


  • #92
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Emme wrote: »
    If we all decided to live like the Amish in the morning it would be the ultimate nightmare for the "masters".

    Luckily we have the luxury of choice, most would prefer not to

    Compared to any other time in history we have things easier than ever before (relatively), increasing amounts of freedom, choice, opportunities, mobility, stability.. our advancing economies have produced big leaps in terms of healthcare, education, every aspect of technology - all of which make our lives easier, safer, more comfortable, and more affluent.. on aggregate ever increasing standards of living by virtually all measurements

    So much so we go onto internet forums to invent problems that don't exist, and label ourselves "slaves" without understanding it's true meaning


  • #93
    regi3457
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭regi3457


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Luckily we have the luxury of choice, most would prefer not to

    Compared to any other time in history we have things easier than ever before (relatively), increasing amounts of freedom, choice, opportunities, mobility, stability.. our advancing economies have produced big leaps in terms of healthcare, education, every aspect of technology - all of which make our lives easier, safer, more comfortable, and more affluent.. on aggregate ever increasing standards of living by virtually all measurements

    So much so we go onto internet forums to invent problems that don't exist, and label ourselves "slaves" without understanding it's true meaning

    "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."


  • #94
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, and then there are those that think they are "enslaved", but in reality are living at comfortably, at home, in a first world country, with a nice laptop, internet and sense of imagined persecution


  • #95
    regi3457
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭regi3457


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Indeed, and then there are those that think they are "enslaved", but in reality are living at comfortably, at home, in a first world country, with a nice laptop, internet and sense of imagined persecution

    Both parents working like slaves just to own a home in 30 years and some tiny pension not getting to watch their kids grow up because they have to work for money most of which goes to bank bailouts via tax. Laptop and internet? Is that what gives your life value? Those are the things that make you think you have "luxury"? Time is the real currency of life and it diminishes at an increasing rate for us euro slaves. You have got to keep on that treadmill. Don't you notice how little time people have nowadays?

    some people live in complete fantasy...fewer people live in complete reality... most people live somewhere in between. A bit of make-believe is what keeps most people believing they are free.


  • #96
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    regi3457 wrote: »
    Both parents working like slaves just to own a home in 30 years and some tiny pension

    We're going a bit off topic here, but just to address this:

    Land/property is a scarce resource, prices for which are based on the market, supply and demand. Unless we go back to feudal times and subsistence farming, it's the best practical solution to rent or get a mortgage

    These days we even have the option not to work (social welfare)Historically we would have starved to death if we were unable to support ourselves

    Pensions are a way of financially supporting ourselves through old age, previously we would have had no income and relied on family support, which, if lacking, often meant destitution

    > not getting to watch their kids grow up because they have to work for money most of which goes to bank bailouts via tax

    Our leisure time has actually increased. Teleworking, part time work, crèche's, optional single income or dual income families - we actually have a lot of choice. Often the pressure we feel is not to survive, but to maintain high standards, have a large TV, have a car, etc - these are all luxuries which we deem to be necessities

    Tax spent on bailouts was relatively small. In 1929 the country was devastated, in 2007 when faced with a financial crisis of almost equal strength the US economy pulled out of it in 2 and a half years, - they even made a profit on public money used to bailout banks
    Time is the real currency of life and it diminishes at an increasing rate for us euro slaves.

    You are completely free to go and live in any of the developing countries where they have 14 hour work days, weak social welfare, bad healthcare, bad infrastructure, lower literacy rates, higher infant mortality rates, fewer opportunities, fewer rights.. likewise we'll find a similar situation if we look back in time


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  • #97
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,841 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You are completely free to go and live in any of the developing countries where they have 14 hour work days, weak social welfare, bad healthcare, bad infrastructure, lower literacy rates, higher infant mortality rates, fewer opportunities, fewer rights.. likewise we'll find a similar situation if we look back in time
    And don't forget where opinions like his would be outright banned and earn him a visit from authorities, if he was allowed access to the internet and to sites that inspired him in the first place.


  • #98
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭weisses


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Luckily we have the luxury of choice, most would prefer not to

    Compared to any other time in history we have things easier than ever before (relatively), increasing amounts of freedom, choice, opportunities, mobility, stability.. our advancing economies have produced big leaps in terms of healthcare, education, every aspect of technology - all of which make our lives easier, safer, more comfortable, and more affluent.. on aggregate ever increasing standards of living by virtually all measurements

    So much so we go onto internet forums to invent problems that don't exist, and label ourselves "slaves" without understanding it's true meaning


    watch this ... It will be valid for millions and millions of people globally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvfy5Enz6-c


    If people would start doing what they want and not fall for credit and mortgage traps the masters will be upset

    Its a vicious circle modern day western world humanity is trapped in

    Deserves a topic of its own


  • #99
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    weisses wrote: »

    If people would start doing what they want and not fall for credit and mortgage traps the masters will be upset


    I'll have a look at the video later

    "Masters" is a odd term to use. There is demand for a product (mortgages, loans, credit) and there are tens of thousands of institutions around the world (banks, saving and loans, credit unions, etc) which supply that demand

    If they provide bad or misleading products then their customers often go elsewhere, they can be fined, fall foul of the regulator, go out of business, etc

    Likewise, if customers make bad decisions, fail to repay loans, clock up large credit card bills, etc they must also take blame for their actions


  • #100
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,357 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    weisses wrote: »

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvfy5Enz6-c

    I can't say I thought the video was anything but nonsensical

    The narrator implies people should barter goods? we did that, it was a cumbersome and backward and everyone pretty much universally agreed money was a far better system (practicality)

    There shouldn't be fast food workers? hmmm if only there was some way to stop people wanting... fast food (basic supply and demand)

    People should be making pottery and fixing cars instead of working in companies and corporations? bloody hell. People do fix cars and make pottery. I presume he has zero idea of how many jobs were required to make the recording software so we could hear him ramble on, hundreds of different jobs, some awful, some good.. to satisfy a demand he has created - from the sounds of it I presume the thought has never occurred to him. All the food, clothes, goods, services he consumes. Can't have universal barter systems and macbooks at the same time. That's Karl Pilkington territory.


  • #101
    regi3457
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭regi3457


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    We're going a bit off topic here, but just to address this:

    Land/property is a scarce resource, prices for which are based on the market, supply and demand. Unless we go back to feudal times and subsistence farming, it's the best practical solution to rent or get a mortgage

    These days we even have the option not to work (social welfare)Historically we would have starved to death if we were unable to support ourselves

    Pensions are a way of financially supporting ourselves through old age, previously we would have had no income and relied on family support, which, if lacking, often meant destitution

    > not getting to watch their kids grow up because they have to work for money most of which goes to bank bailouts via tax

    Our leisure time has actually increased. Teleworking, part time work, crèche's, optional single income or dual income families - we actually have a lot of choice. Often the pressure we feel is not to survive, but to maintain high standards, have a large TV, have a car, etc - these are all luxuries which we deem to be necessities

    Tax spent on bailouts was relatively small. In 1929 the country was devastated, in 2007 when faced with a financial crisis of almost equal strength the US economy pulled out of it in 2 and a half years, - they even made a profit on public money used to bailout banks



    You are completely free to go and live in any of the developing countries where they have 14 hour work days, weak social welfare, bad healthcare, bad infrastructure, lower literacy rates, higher infant mortality rates, fewer opportunities, fewer rights.. likewise we'll find a similar situation if we look back in time

    I have lived in developing countries and prefer where I live now but thank you for your welcome. I actually have a great life in Ireland and am luckier than most people but I see the world around me and am not blind.

    Your optimism is refreshing and perhaps a necessary self-preserving mechanism that all human beings possess. Life would be harder accepting a truth that shows your actual place in the economic food chain for what it is. How can you say people work less? I just sat for 90 minutes in traffic coming home until 8:30pm (this was odd since I don't actually like going out in rush hour and don't do it often) and saw people coming down from 4 cups of coffee stressed, cursing in their cars desperate to get home and just have a couple of moments of time-out before they go to bed and have to start all over again. Have you not heard terms like "rat race" to describe our world? People do spend a lot on "luxuries" but if the economic system was not extractive by nature, and if it was just, you would have those luxuries and more time to spend with your families as well. You and everyone around you would be working 5 hours a day and spending more time with family and friends. Your kids would get to see more of their parents and not have to grow up with a paid childminder. You would own your house a lot sooner and perhaps not even need a bank to pay the rest of your life.

    What people are given by the state is just enough to keep them in line and keep them decent. Uprisings are bad for business and a stable country keeps the wealth flowing in to the right places.


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