Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

rob808 · 18-09-2015 10:10AM

I Just look at the rural fibre routes on the map I'm on the blue Line and it end on my house does mean I be getting FTTH by 2020 because no way I can get FTTC.

Johnboy1951 · 18-09-2015 10:16AM

KOR101 wrote: »

If I were to look down the 'blue line' roads, should i expect to see no Eircom poles, and then where then where the blue line ends, should I see the poles begin? It would be nice to be able to see the logic of it actually on the ground.

I can only comment on what I see locally ........ there is ducting underground from a cab about 2Kms from me to a duck-box at ground level outside my neighbour (just at out boundary).

In the intervening space there are quite a lot of Eir Poles. The majority of them seem to be taking the copper from duct up the pole and overhead to individual houses.

Other poles are taking copper off in other directions.

So, at least here, although there is ducting present, there are lots of poles also (particularly to houses which were built prior to ducting into the house being the norm).

At first glance (or while driving) one would never know there was duct in place along the road.

I don't think there's a fibre cabinet at Blackwater Bridge, so what you've said for Blarney would not seem to apply for the blue lines between there and Kenmare.

I'm sure the basis for the blue lines is the duct system, because it must be so much cheaper to do it once you have the ducts, that it makes business sense.

Also, under EU rules, the government can only intervene in markets where commercial operators are not providing the required service. So, the onus is on the government to show that Eircom wouldn't provide a service to the 300,000 homes, rather than the other way around. It's doubtful that Eircom would ever take a legal case though. They won't want to bite the hand that's going to feed them.

rob808 · 18-09-2015 10:25AM

IF Your on the blue line does that mean your on eircom rural FTTH plan.

KeRbDoG · 18-09-2015 10:31AM

KOR101 wrote: »

If I were to look down the 'blue line' roads, should i expect to see no Eircom poles, and then where then where the blue line ends, should I see the poles begin? It would be nice to be able to see the logic of it actually on the ground.

Expect to see Eir/Eircom us the exiting poles for overhead fiber runs

damienirel · 18-09-2015 10:53AM

So there's a few places in towns that can get FTTH atm.
But 2017 - 2020 before any of the actual rural work starts? So over another year! And that's if you can believe the site/sh*te? Which told me I'd have fttc 3 years ago and I'm still on 2mb. Full of hot Eir?

PeadarB · 18-09-2015 10:55AM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Expect to see Eir/Eircom us the exiting poles for overhead fiber runs

I've tried repeatedly to get info re this. Either they don't know or don't bloody care. Belcarra used the poles and pending results of the trial there I expect eir to use pole DP's where needed.
There is an urgency now to be seen to be able to provide FTTH in the 10 nominated towns. Looking at the eir map for Letterkenny they have actually left out a lot of the "blue line" markers for roads where I've seen the physical runs go into the ground with my own eyes. There are none in my area, yet the place is swamped in new fibre runs. A quick check on the availability checker for FTTH for various addresses within the ducted FTTH area gives no positive indicator of availability. The eir techs have spent the past three days actually splicing fibre at my cab for the various runs out from that location. It is just co-incidental that the runs commence there as they will have nothing to do with the existing cabs, save that the extra 20 fibres temporarily terminated under the cab pending FTTH will be used for the new local network. I was informed that the intention was to use a ratio of 8:1 for FTTH connections.

KeRbDoG · 18-09-2015 11:15AM

PeadarB wrote: »

I've tried repeatedly to get info re this. Either they don't know or don't bloody care. Belcarra used the poles and pending results of the trial there I expect eir to use pole DP's where needed.
There is an urgency now to be seen to be able to provide FTTH in the 10 nominated towns. Looking at the eir map for Letterkenny they have actually left out a lot of the "blue line" markers for roads where I've seen the physical runs go into the ground with my own eyes. There are none in my area, yet the place is swamped in new fibre runs. A quick check on the availability checker for FTTH for various addresses within the ducted FTTH area gives no positive indicator of availability. The eir techs have spent the past three days actually splicing fibre at my cab for the various runs out from that location. It is just co-incidental that the runs commence there as they will have nothing to do with the existing cabs, save that the extra 20 fibres temporarily terminated under the cab pending FTTH will be used for the new local network. I was informed that the intention was to use a ratio of 8:1 for FTTH connections.

My 2cents,
To be providing a service to a town, doesn't mean that 100% of the town will be covered from day one or ever. I'd expect the initial phase would be the 'easy' routes, pre-ducted, newer estates. Future expansion into those towns if ducts don't exist would be when needed to lay additional ducts or when only over head is possible to go overhead. This will take time, as in year(s) to cover even the nominated towns.
Until someone was outside my house in a manhole or up a pole running tube to blow fiber down or splicing, I know the service isn't available.

bk · 18-09-2015 11:31AM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

My 2cents,
To be providing a service to a town, doesn't mean that 100% of the town will be covered from day one or ever. I'd expect the initial phase would be the 'easy' routes, pre-ducted, newer estates. Future expansion into those towns if ducts don't exist would be when needed to lay additional ducts or when only over head is possible to go overhead. This will take time, as in year(s) to cover even the nominated towns.
Until someone was outside my house in a manhole or up a pole running tube to blow fiber down or splicing, I know the service isn't available.

I agree 100%. People need to understand that even going full tilt, it will still take years to rollout FTTH. And as they do it, they will do it in the order of easiest (cheapest) to do.

I fully expect that when they say they are connecting a town, they just mean the easier homes in the town. Similar to how just because FTTC is active in a town, doesn't mean everyone can get it.

Gonzo · 18-09-2015 11:31AM

looks like most of us will have to play the waiting game. I now know for sure that FTTC will never be available to me but it's great to know FTTH is planned and hopefully they will cover us all by 2017-2020. It's also comforting to know that I don't have to wait in hope for some NBP announcement which could end up using a far inferior method of delivering broadband.

rob808 · 18-09-2015 11:56AM

I think I'm on a blue line it seem to end at my house so don't what that means for me?Maybe blue line mean Notting don't get the rural fibre routes when most people on them can't get fibre.

MajesticDonkey · 18-09-2015 12:34PM

rob808 wrote: »

I think I'm on a blue line it seem to end at my house so don't what that means for me?Maybe blue line mean Notting don't get the rural fibre routes when most people on them can't get fibre.

The third time you've asked.... simply hover over "Rural Fibre Routes" in the map container for an explanation.

KOR101 · 18-09-2015 01:46PM

Gonzo wrote: »

looks like most of us will have to play the waiting game. I now know for sure that FTTC will never be available to me but it's great to know FTTH is planned and hopefully they will cover us all by 2017-2020. It's also comforting to know that I don't have to wait in hope for some NBP announcement which could end up using a far inferior method of delivering broadband.

At least in my area in Kerry, the blue line houses would have to be provided for BEFORE any of the NBP houses, because the fibre would travel along the blue lines before extending into the NBP areas

bk · 18-09-2015 02:09PM

KOR101 wrote: »

At least in my area in Kerry, the blue line houses would have to be provided for BEFORE any of the NBP houses, because the fibre would travel along the blue lines before extending into the NBP areas

That is what I'm seeing in the couple of towns I've looked at on the map.

Basically the blue lines snake out along main roads from the exchange at the centre of the town. They often go to FTTC cabs, but not always. They branch off down side roads in some cases, but not too far.

To me it really looks like they are following the primary duct networks from the center of the towns. In many cases I guess the fibre is already in place for the FTTC cabs.

ctlsleh · 18-09-2015 02:21PM

Dont see much happening around ennis, even though its on the list?

Deagol · 18-09-2015 02:48PM

ctlsleh wrote: »

Dont see much happening around ennis, even though its on the list?

They pulled a little fibre and that seems to be it for the moment. I've been checking numbers from the book for various estates around the town and only found 1 so far. Sniff of the usual BS from Eircom, I'm keeping my fingers crossed Siro is rolled out here soon!

ctlsleh · 18-09-2015 02:56PM

me too.....Siro arent giving much away on their plans though.....im out in Ballybeg, near the rockmount cabinet, hard to know if theres a business case to roll fiber to where im am, just isnt the density of households i think, but heres hoping!

Deagol · 18-09-2015 03:01PM

ctlsleh wrote: »

me too.....Siro arent giving much away on their plans though.....im out in Ballybeg, near the rockmount cabinet, hard to know if theres a business case to roll fiber to where im am, just isnt the density of households i think, but heres hoping!

There's actually already fibre to that cabinet, as it hosts eFibre (I think?). Its the last step from the cabinet to your house is required for FTTH.

irishfeen · 18-09-2015 03:05PM

700m away from the blue line

... Disaster! .. Still nothing more then dial up from eircom in the future.

ctlsleh · 18-09-2015 03:58PM

Deagol wrote: »

There's actually already fibre to that cabinet, as it hosts eFibre (I think?). Its the last step from the cabinet to your house is required for FTTH.

Yes, Rockmount is fiber enabled, so im on the VDSL service from there, its not too bad either about 26M down 5 M up.....but want the ultimate future proofed option of a fiber directly to my home......

:)

Johnboy1951 · 18-09-2015 04:15PM

ctlsleh wrote: »

Yes, Rockmount is fiber enabled, so im on the VDSL service from there, its not too bad either about 26M down 5 M up.....but want the ultimate future proofed option of a fiber directly to my home...... :)

You will probably get it ...... but hopefully after the rest of us on near dial up speeds have our FTTH

Deagol · 18-09-2015 04:52PM

ctlsleh wrote: »

Yes, Rockmount is fiber enabled, so im on the VDSL service from there, its not too bad either about 26M down 5 M up.....but want the ultimate future proofed option of a fiber directly to my home...... :)

How far are you from the cabinet? I'm ~600mts getting 70mbps. Internal wiring has a huge bearing on speed with VDSL2.

blackbullet · 18-09-2015 04:54PM

this 1gb speed looks impresive by the way did you read what theyve done to the usage cap on the new products its caped at 1tb per month they brought back the fair usage policy on the new products for new custumers.

Gonzo · 18-09-2015 05:21PM

blackbullet wrote: »

this 1gb speed looks impresive by the way did you read what theyve done to the usage cap on the new products its caped at 1tb per month they brought back the fair usage policy on the new products for new custumers.

by the time most of us see our shiny new 1GB lines im sure the fair usage policy of 1tb per month will have increased quite a bit between 2017 and 2020.

KD11 · 18-09-2015 05:53PM

Deagol wrote: »

They pulled a little fibre and that seems to be it for the moment. I've been checking numbers from the book for various estates around the town and only found 1 so far. Sniff of the usual BS from Eircom, I'm keeping my fingers crossed Siro is rolled out here soon!

There's a few estates done in ennis already, mostly out the tulla road, and a few on the limerick road aswell like the hawthorns and westfields. Slowly but surely. It's not going to be done in a week.

ctlsleh · 18-09-2015 05:54PM

Deagol wrote: »

How far are you from the cabinet? I'm ~600mts getting 70mbps. Internal wiring has a huge bearing on speed with VDSL2.

thats pretty good for 600m......I'm in Silvergrove, so about 1Km from the Rockmount cab by road.....although when i enter the attenuation figures im getting on the modem into one of of those online calculators, it suggests Im 1.3Km away from the cab.......

My modem is terminated exactly where the cable enters the house, so internal wiring should affect the performance.......at least thats the theory as far as i know.....?

ctlsleh · 18-09-2015 05:56PM

KD11 wrote: »

There's a few estates done in ennis already, mostly out the tulla road, and a few on the limerick road aswell like the hawthorns and westfields. Slowly but surely. It's not going to be done in a week.

yep, its a big investment and a lot of work, im off the kilrush road, so it depends on how they plan the fiber network

Deagol · 18-09-2015 10:06PM

KD11 wrote: »

There's a few estates done in ennis already, mostly out the tulla road, and a few on the limerick road aswell like the hawthorns and westfields. Slowly but surely. It's not going to be done in a week.

Are you sure? I was fairly sure I'd tried telephone numbers for the two you mentioned. Would be great if we could build up a DB of the various estates in each town?

irishfeen · 18-09-2015 10:13PM

What is the plan for those of us who fall outside/between the proposed eircom rural network? Realistically will the government ever step in as promised or is wireless options our only hope?

AlmightyCushion · 18-09-2015 10:18PM

irishfeen wrote: »

What is the plan for those of us who fall outside/between the proposed eircom rural network? Realistically will the government ever step in as promised or is wireless options our only hope?

That's what the NBP is meant to take care of.

mass_debater · 18-09-2015 10:20PM

irishfeen wrote: »

What is the plan for those of us who fall outside/between the proposed eircom rural network? Realistically will the government ever step in as promised or is wireless options our only hope?

There is already a plan being done up, the national broadband plan is to bring a minimum of 30mbit to anyone rural areas not covered
http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/Pages/ProgrammeAndScheme/National-Broadband-Plan.aspx

Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

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