Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

Capt'n Midnight

The Cush wrote: »

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So for basic €40 a month package you get an allowance of 30GB ?

Flat out you'd go through that in 5 minutes.

Bit like some of the 4G packages really.

OK if you are a very light user

DECEiFER

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

So for basic €40 a month package you get an allowance of 30GB ?

Flat out you'd go through that in 5 minutes.

Bit like some of the 4G packages really.

OK if you are a very light user

It makes zero sense. UPC do the same with their lowest tier. 30GB? Really? It should be at least 100GB at this point, for the light user. Most regular users nowadays exceed 100GB before the first week of the billing cycle is out.

redfacedbear

bk wrote: »

I'm now convinced that the blue lines are following the main duct network...

When I had a landline it was from a pole (on a line of them along the road), yet the magic blue passes my house! Is it possible that there is ducting there too? Haven't noticed any Eircom manhole covers on the road, and there's nothing along the road that would warrant ducted cable (that I can think of).

DECEiFER

redfacedbear wrote: »

When I had a landline it was from a pole (on a line of them along the road), yet the magic blue passes my house! Is it possible that there is ducting there too? Haven't noticed any Eircom manhole covers on the road, and there's nothing along the road that would warrant ducted cable (that I can think of).

It's a new infrastructure. Copper be gone. They'll have to lay the fiber (and they could lay it over the pole if need be).

MBSnr

^^^

Seems to me (as others have posted) they are only following existing poles/ducting routes on the roads. The rural areas around me have blue on roads where there are existing poles. For other houses, where the poles/lines cross fields, their roads are not blue.

DECEiFER

MBSnr wrote: »

^^^

Seems to me (as others have posted) they are only following existing poles/ducting routes on the roads. The rural areas around me have blue on roads where there are existing poles. For other houses, where the poles/lines cross fields, their roads are not blue.

For a real countrywide rollout they'll have to start digging. Perhaps such plans in the negotiation stages and aren't in the initial phase(s). I really don't know. It's not going to be a straightforward of half-assed task in getting the country on high speed broadband so they will have to move a few mountains (or hills) to achieve this properly (a figure of speech in case anyone thinks I'm serious!).

kopite davo

we hav'nt had an upgrade to our exchange in kells, KK, for about 8-9 years now. they announce something new every couple of years and upgrade from the start again, missing out the usual suspects each time. i had faster broadband in nepal years ago :mad::(:eek:
does my effing nut in :mad::mad::mad:

ItHurtsWhenIP

Praetorian wrote: »

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First person to post 1000m/bit speed tests and ping tests wins a prize!

Not mine ... not even in this country ... but here ya go ... WhatdidIwin? WhatdidIwin? WhatdidIwin? WhatdidIwin?

DoYouEvenLift

If it's actually €70/m then that's a very fair price. <€60 would be the sweet spot but I imagine over time with new competition they'll drop the price to that. But €70/m works out the same as Google Fibre's prices in America. Pity about the 1TB usage allowance though, 5TB would be nice because, let's be honest, the day lots of people get this they're going to be downloading huge files that we otherwise never would've bothered with.

StonyIron

bk wrote: »

The tech can be up to 64, however in a previous Eircom Wholesale video about FTTH, they specifically mention 32, which is what I would expect.

So 640 homes coming out from under each cab and remember there are multiple cabs for each exchange.

Also I would assume in high density urban areas they probably ran a second or third bundle based on expected demand. For instance near my home in Dublin there are two FTTC cabs right next to each other, so I would assume a lot more fiber there.

In other words take these numbers as just rough guides, not gospel.

Also nothing stopping them running more bundles in future if demand rises. These bundles are pretty small, so easily fit in ducts, specially once they start decommissioning the old copper bundles.

There are a few double-cabinets around Cork and also some cabinets where both the VDSL part and the copper part have been extended upwards as they're clearly very busy.

StonyIron

DECEiFER wrote: »

For a real countrywide rollout they'll have to start digging. Perhaps such plans in the negotiation stages and aren't in the initial phase(s). I really don't know. It's not going to be a straightforward of half-assed task in getting the country on high speed broadband so they will have to move a few mountains (or hills) to achieve this properly (a figure of speech in case anyone thinks I'm serious!).

They actually won't have to do very much digging at all. Eircom has a huge duct network that goes back decades. Most poles are fed underground and the wiring you see overhead is mostly only a final drop.

Overhead heavy multicore cabling is relatively rare these days.

In the majority of cases they'll just have to push fibre through existing ducts.

Capt'n Midnight

PeadarB wrote: »

eircom techies very busy splicing fibre for Long Lane area, including Meadowbank, along with Binnion Ave., Cnocanar, Errigal Rd., Sliabh Sneacht Rd and Close etc., etc., beside LKY1_005 - my cab. And am I getting FTTH? Not from bloody eircom, "because your not ducted".

That's a whole other world of pain. During the boom we should have insisted on better quality housing , more insulation etc. and common ducts.

Instead the provider that has ducts to your area more or less has a defacto monopoly, and of course if there isn't a duct in place you've to provide one.

Weren't the ESB suggesting they could slip (or blow) fibre through the existing 'leccy duct an so wasn't an issue for them ?

MBSnr

StonyIron wrote: »

They actually won't have to do very much digging at all. Eircom has a huge duct network that goes back decades. Most poles are fed underground and the wiring you see overhead is mostly only a final drop.

Overhead heavy multicore cabling is relatively rare these days.

In the majority of cases they'll just have to push fibre through existing ducts.

Ermm.. Most of the lines from my local exchange travel 3Km plus above ground. They go in a duct to pass under power lines at certain points (safety if a power line fell on them) - but otherwise overhead - no ducts....

JohnC.

I'm also fed by a pole and the line can be followed all the way to the exchange (and off the other direction) overhead. But I've got a blue line, so that's fine.

Capt'n Midnight

bk wrote: »

But working in the IT industry and with a big industry in broadband I simply can't see any technology in the medium term that requires anything like 1Gb/s

First 8K TV screen to be put on sale by Sharp in October

PeadarB

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

That's a whole other world of pain. During the boom we should have insisted on better quality housing , more insulation etc. and common ducts.

Instead the provider that has ducts to your area more or less has a defacto monopoly, and of course if there isn't a duct in place you've to provide one.

Weren't the ESB suggesting they could slip (or blow) fibre through the existing 'leccy duct an so wasn't an issue for them ?

At least the ESB mini-pillar is at the front door and Siro are not too far away now.

bk

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

First 8K TV screen to be put on sale by Sharp in October

Costs €100,000+ and has zero content available for it.

You are looking at the very least 10 years before us mere mortals have to worry about that, more likely 15 to 20 years.

Even then you are looking at a bitrate of 65Mb/s for 8k with todays codecs (note more efficient codecs are coming soon for 8k). Doable on many 75Mb/s VDSL2 connections and you could do 3 simultaneous 8K streams over UPC's 240Mb/s and still have space left over.

So even then 1Gb/s wouldn't be must, though it would be handy.

digiman

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

Not mine ... not even in this country ... but here ya go ... WhatdidIwin? WhatdidIwin? WhatdidIwin? WhatdidIwin?

Quite typical of the max you can expect, latency is very poor though. I've seen slightly better though

rob808

bk wrote: »

Costs €100,000+ and has zero content available for it.

You are looking at the very least 10 years before us mere mortals have to worry about that, more likely 15 to 20 years.

Even then you are looking at a bitrate of 65Mb/s for 8k with todays codecs (note more efficient codecs are coming soon for 8k). Doable on many 75Mb/s VDSL2 connections and you could do 3 simultaneous 8K streams over UPC's 240Mb/s and still have space left over.

So even then 1Gb/s wouldn't be must, though it would be handy.

Well 4k will come the normal thing now with the faster speeds for people who get FTTH.There also cheaper now 4k TVs give it 5 or 6 years and 8k come down in price but probably still be expensive.

Then there probably be 12k were does it end:D

ItHurtsWhenIP

digiman wrote: »

Quite typical of the max you can expect, latency is very poor though. I've seen slightly better though

It was the fastest test I found in their photos :rolleyes:.

I was surprised at the latency too and you can't see where they tested against on the image. They have 2x10Gbps backhaul direct to a Scottish Inex so would have thought it would be much lower latency if the test server was closer to them.

jg3114

Bit of a strange one but i live in Carrigaline Co.Cork and it is one of the 10 FTTH towns that is now meant to be able to pre order from eircom HOWEVER its not available in ANY housing estate near me and theres only actually one estate i have found with the new ftth Enabled.....

Just wondering if anyone else had experienced this or if anyone knew what was happening? Carrigaline if you dont know is the biggest commuter town in Ireland with around 12-15k people living there and all i can find is one estate that houses around 1500 people with 1Gbps internet... the rest is just normal FTTC 50-100Mbps. Lastly its not like i live in the outskirts i live in the middle of the town and all the estates i checked are fairly central but NONE of them had it available....

Its just im looking at changing to siro when that comes out as eircoms staff have pissed me off far to much over the years.

rob808

jg3114 wrote: »

Bit of a strange one but i live in Carrigaline Co.Cork and it is one of the 10 FTTH towns that is now meant to be able to pre order from eircom HOWEVER its not available in ANY housing estate near me and theres only actually one estate i have found with the new ftth Enabled.....

Just wondering if anyone else had experienced this or if anyone knew what was happening? Carrigaline if you dont know is the biggest commuter town in Ireland with around 12-15k people living there and all i can find is one estate that houses around 1500 people with 1Gbps internet... the rest is just normal FTTC 50-100Mbps. Lastly its not like i live in the outskirts i live in the middle of the town and all the estates i checked are fairly central but NONE of them had it available....

Its just im looking at changing to siro when that comes out as eircoms staff have pissed me off far to much over the years.

Siro won't be selling it you can pick Vodafone or another ISp

Gonzo

bk wrote: »

I'm now convinced that the blue lines are following the main duct network.

But it is very noticeable at any of the areas I look at, that the blue lines for the most part seem to connect up with the green dots of FTTC cabs.

now that I read what you said and looked back at my hometown of Dunshaughlin, this is exactly what is happening!.

Ive said countless time before moaning about my lack of fiber that im 2km from the nearest cabinet. The blue lines run from cabinet to cabinet through Dunshaughlin and head past the closest one to me towards me and pass 2 ducts, one that is 500 meters from my house and another opposite my house and the blue line finish's 2 houses past me as I live near the end of a cul de sac!. In total the fibre extends about 2.1km from last cabinet to just past my house. It's a similar situation with fibre pulls from other areas/roads of Dunshaughlin.

KOR101

jg3114 wrote: »

Bit of a strange one but i live in Carrigaline Co.Cork and it is one of the 10 FTTH towns that is now meant to be able to pre order from eircom HOWEVER its not available in ANY housing estate near me and theres only actually one estate i have found with the new ftth Enabled.....

Just wondering if anyone else had experienced this or if anyone knew what was happening? Carrigaline if you dont know is the biggest commuter town in Ireland with around 12-15k people living there and all i can find is one estate that houses around 1500 people with 1Gbps internet... the rest is just normal FTTC 50-100Mbps. Lastly its not like i live in the outskirts i live in the middle of the town and all the estates i checked are fairly central but NONE of them had it available....

Its just im looking at changing to siro when that comes out as eircoms staff have pissed me off far to much over the years.

Interesting. Someone else posted that Ennis really only had one estate enabled. Maybe that's all Eircom think it takes to scare off SIRO from that area.

jg3114

KOR101 wrote: »

Interesting. Someone else posted that Ennis really only had one estate enabled. Maybe that's all Eircom think it takes to scare off SIRO from that area.

Im lead to believe over the next year it will roll out to all parts of these towns which raises the question of... I am one of the first 15 towns and they are telling me on the phone it will take a year to cover the town... So how long is it realistically going to take to do the other 50 odd towns... I feel siro while currently behind has potential to pass eircom out in the long term as the ESB is the main owner of dark fiber in Ireland and owns a vast network... one way or another its not coming anytime soon thats for sure!!!

Deagol

jg3114 wrote: »

Bit of a strange one but i live in Carrigaline Co.Cork and it is one of the 10 FTTH towns that is now meant to be able to pre order from eircom HOWEVER its not available in ANY housing estate near me and theres only actually one estate i have found with the new ftth Enabled.....

Just wondering if anyone else had experienced this or if anyone knew what was happening? Carrigaline if you dont know is the biggest commuter town in Ireland with around 12-15k people living there and all i can find is one estate that houses around 1500 people with 1Gbps internet... the rest is just normal FTTC 50-100Mbps. Lastly its not like i live in the outskirts i live in the middle of the town and all the estates i checked are fairly central but NONE of them had it available....

Its just im looking at changing to siro when that comes out as eircoms staff have pissed me off far to much over the years.

Same thing in Ennis, have found only two estates that can get it. (Right next to each other).

And I completely agree, I'd happily shag off from Eircom as they are a hysterically terrible company.

Johnboy1951

OK, it might take 5 years (or more) for me to receive a new connection ..... but at least I now know that I will get FTTH regardless the decisions made for the NBP, because there is a nice blue line outside my house.

Having waited so long for a 'decent' connection, it is comforting to know that the upgrade will be FTTH and not some WISP or other.

joe_99

Deagol wrote: »

Same thing in Ennis, have found only two estates that can get it. (Right next to each other).

And I completely agree, I'd happily shag off from Eircom as they are a hysterically terrible company.

The roll out is going to take time. It makes sense to get the product out there to those who can receive it while continuing to expand the locations. Would you rather they didn't launch Ennis until every house was covered?

loyatemu

jg3114 wrote: »

I feel siro while currently behind has potential to pass eircom out in the long term as the ESB is the main owner of dark fiber in Ireland and owns a vast network.

that's not true - Eircom has a much more extensive fibre network. "Dark" fibre just means it's not currently being used and can be leased to other companies - ESBT do have a national network but it's mostly wrapped around HT cables going cross-country, they've very little in urban areas AFAIK. The reason they're getting into FTTH is to take advantage of their ducting network already in place for delivering power.

KOR101

bk wrote: »

I'm now convinced that the blue lines are following the main duct network.

Now Eircom already has lots of fiber running to these cabs and as you can see in Blarney, there is often well more then 500 meters between cabs, which would mean these gaps fall under the NBP. However Eircom often have fiber running along these roads on the way to these cabs, so it should be relatively easy for them to run FTTH to the houses along these areas, specially given the underground ducts.

If I were to look down the 'blue line' roads, should i expect to see no Eircom poles, and then where then where the blue line ends, should I see the poles begin? It would be nice to be able to see the logic of it actually on the ground.

I don't think there's a fibre cabinet at Blackwater Bridge, so what you've said for Blarney would not seem to apply for the blue lines between there and Kenmare.

I'm sure the basis for the blue lines is the duct system, because it must be so much cheaper to do it once you have the ducts, that it makes business sense.

Also, under EU rules, the government can only intervene in markets where commercial operators are not providing the required service. So, the onus is on the government to show that Eircom wouldn't provide a service to the 300,000 homes, rather than the other way around. It's doubtful that Eircom would ever take a legal case though. They won't want to bite the hand that's going to feed them.