Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

rob808

Deagol wrote: »

Keep in with the neighbours in case you want to wirelessly share their Gb

yea I just keep ring them and annoying them till they give it to me

KeRbDoG

Dr. Nick wrote: »

Sorry if a silly question but what do the blue lines represent on this map? Are they the fibre lines from the local exchange?

rob808 wrote: »

It were eir plan to being FTTH to rural areas not able to get FTTC

Thats not the case, most areas near me already have FTTC/VDSL2.
The blue lines are an indication of the extent they intend on running FTTH, but its subject to change as with everything.

rob808

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Thats not the case, most areas near me already have FTTC/VDSL2.
The blue lines are an indication of the extent they intend on running FTTH, but its subject to change as with everything.

There running the fibre through FTTC areas so they can reach the 300,000k houses and some who aren't even connected to a exchange .They most likely gona do FTTC areas at a later stage.The rural area on eir FTTH plan are still in NBP at least until goverment take them out of it.They want to be showing how eir plan on doing it and how much plus to see if it unfairly mess up the NBP for the other key players.

Deagol

rob808 wrote: »

There running the fibre through FTTC areas so they can reach the 300,000k houses and some who aren't even connected to a exchange .They most likely gona do FTTC areas at a later stage.The rural area on eir FTTH plan are still in NBP at least until goverment take them out of it.They want to be showing how eir plan on doing it and how much plus to see if it unfairly mess up the NBP for the other key players.

Have you any evidence of these statements? You keep saying this without any backup to it. Do you work for Eir(com)? Or any telecoms provider? Or is this just your uneducated guesses / opinions?

rob808

Deagol wrote: »

Have you any evidence of these statements? You keep saying this without any backup to it. Do you work for Eir(com)? Or any telecoms provider? Or is this just your uneducated guesses / opinions?

We'll I know 300,000 house are still part NBP the thing about them running FTTH through FTTC areas to reach rural areas is a guess but it make sense.what do you think there doing?.

Deagol

rob808 wrote: »

We'll I know 300,000 house are still part NBP the thing about them running FTTH through FTTC areas to reach rural areas is a guess but it make sense.what do you think there doing?.

What?! Could you repeat that in English please!:rolleyes:

rob808

Deagol wrote: »

What?! Could you repeat that in English please!:rolleyes:

really wow your that easy to annoy:cool:.

KeRbDoG

rob808 wrote: »

There running the fibre through FTTC areas so they can reach the 300,000k houses and some who aren't even connected to a exchange .They most likely gona do FTTC areas at a later stage.The rural area on eir FTTH plan are still in NBP at least until goverment take them out of it.They want to be showing how eir plan on doing it and how much plus to see if it unfairly mess up the NBP for the other key players.

The funny thing is, the NBP covers areas that already has FTTC as the diagrams of it you will see aren't really accurate. They do a simple circle area around a VDSL cab, but people outside of those simple circles easily get 50+Mbps down.

The note about FTTH planned areas avoiding/passing through FTTC areas, might you have any evidence of this? From looking at their own maps of their backhaul fiber and the VDSL cabs and their planned FTTH reach, this doesn't seem to match up. They will I'm sure attempt to cover areas which SIRO plan to cover before they do

Twill be an interesting few years still happy I installed ducting from my house to the 'Eir' pole

rob808

KeRbDoG wrote: »

The funny thing is, the NBP covers areas that already has FTTC as the diagrams of it you will see aren't really accurate. They do a simple circle area around a VDSL cab, but people outside of those simple circles easily get 50+Mbps down.

The note about FTTH planned areas avoiding/passing through FTTC areas, might you have any evidence of this? From looking at their own maps of their backhaul fiber and the VDSL cabs and their planned FTTH reach, this doesn't seem to match up. They will I'm sure attempt to cover areas which SIRO plan to cover before they do

Twill be an interesting few years still happy I installed ducting from my house to the 'Eir' pole

yea that what I meant there waiting on siro phase 2 to start and there just getting ready.That why the blue lines are going throw FTTC areas but think it gona be a long wait and siro in no rush.well guess one way at looking at it take Robinstown in Meath and look at a FTTC area.If you look at robinstown all light up were as the FTTC area let say ratoath the lines are just passing through it.

KeRbDoG

rob808 wrote: »

yea that what I meant there waiting on siro phase 2 to start and there just getting ready.That why the blue lines are going throw FTTC areas but think it gona be a long wait and siro in no rush.well guess one way at looking at it take Robinstown in Meath and look at a FTTC area.If you look at robinstown all light up were as the FTTC area let say ratoath the lines are just passing through it.

Well, they have up between 2017~2020 with that range it will either be a long wait or a very long wait. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for FTTH in rural areas.

rob808

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Well, they have up between 2017~2020 with that range it will either be a long wait or a very long wait. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for FTTH in rural areas.

yea that true but I don't mind waiting my broadband might be slow but still can watch YouTube game with high ping that alway fun to teleport now and again:D.

Gonzo

I just hope they stick to their word. At the very best we are in for a long wait, but it's alot better knowing that fibre is in the pipeline over the next 2-5 years than wondering if I'll ever experience speeds of more than 10 megs in my lifetime!

The only reason why I think Eircom have those lovely blue lines finally going to our houses is not just to provide us with better internet speeds, but to have us take up all 4 products together (broadband, tv, phone and mobile). They will make alot of money from that and whats the use of that if it's only available to people inside large towns while everyone else in the country uses Sky for their tv or Vodaphone/Three for their mobile. Eir will make get massive business once everyone in rural areas is on their system for tv, broadband, phone and mobile.

rob808

Gonzo wrote: »

I just hope they stick to their word. At the very best we are in for a long wait, but it's alot better knowing that fibre is in the pipeline over the next 2-5 years than wondering if I'll ever experience speeds of more than 10 megs in my lifetime!

The only reason why I think Eircom have those lovely blue lines finally going to our houses is not just to provide us with better internet speeds, but to have us take up all 4 products together (broadband, tv, phone and mobile). They will make alot of money from that and whats the use of that if it's only available to people inside large towns while everyone else in the country uses Sky for their tv or Vodaphone/Three for their mobile. Eir will make get massive business once everyone in rural areas is on their system for tv, broadband, phone and mobile.

yea that make sense and there tv service probably work better on FTTH.

ED E

Gonzo wrote: »

The only reason why I think Eircom have those lovely blue lines finally going to our houses is not just to provide us with better internet speeds, but to have us take up all 4 products together (broadband, tv, phone and mobile). They will make alot of money from that and whats the use of that if it's only available to people inside large towns while everyone else in the country uses Sky for their tv or Vodaphone/Three for their mobile. Eir will make get massive business once everyone in rural areas is on their system for tv, broadband, phone and mobile.

Quad play doesnt really make much extra profit for "OpenEir" who are marking those boundarys. They get a fee for multicast but thats it.

mobil 222

Rang 2 different reps with Eir today...told them I wanted to put in an application for FTTH because of the flyer I received
in the post yesterday...I also told them about their mapping showing their blue line passing within 200 mtrs of where I live Each one told me i would not be able to receive ftth as i was outside the distance.
I told them that i thought distance had no bearing but no give in ' Sir your line does not qualify for fibre'
So take it from me after what i was told today i would not be getting my hopes high for the future !!

mass_debater

mobil 222 wrote: »

Rang 2 different reps with Eir today...told them I wanted to put in an application for FTTH because of the flyer I received
in the post yesterday...I also told them about their mapping showing their blue line passing within 200 mtrs of where I live Each one told me i would not be able to receive ftth as i was outside the distance.
I told them that i thought distance had no bearing but no give in ' Sir your line does not qualify for fibre'
So take it from me after what i was told today i would not be getting my hopes high for the future !!

I wouldn't take the word of anyone in telesales as gospel, most likely computer says no, that's as much info as they have access to.

Deagol

mass_debater wrote: »

I wouldn't take the word of anyone in telesales as gospel, most likely computer says no, that's as much info as they have access to.

And most likely they thought he was talking about e'fibre' :rolleyes::rolleyes:

kopite davo

I phoned eircom, the girl didnt have a clue about maps or blue lines.
I have crap broadband, on the map im on the blue line. I also contacted the nbp by email. They told my address was on their broadband plan.
So havnt a clue whats going on, what speeds or when.

loyatemu

kopite davo wrote: »

I phoned eircom, the girl didnt have a clue about maps or blue lines.
I have crap broadband, on the map im on the blue line. I also contacted the nbp by email. They told my address was on their broadband plan.
So havnt a clue whats going on, what speeds or when.

the blue lines are where rural FTTH is planned over the next 4 years. Its unlikely Eircom sales are going to be able to do anything for you now, even in the 16 early deployment towns there's only very limited availability.

rob808

kopite davo wrote: »

I phoned eircom, the girl didnt have a clue about maps or blue lines.
I have crap broadband, on the map im on the blue line. I also contacted the nbp by email. They told my address was on their broadband plan.
So havnt a clue whats going on, what speeds or when.

we know what the goverment NBP is tomorrow hopefully they ask eir to put it on goverment map the houses they plan on given FTTH and then at least I know if I'm getting FTTH of them since the blue line ends outside my house.

KeRbDoG

mobil 222 wrote: »

Rang 2 different reps with Eir today...told them I wanted to put in an application for FTTH because of the flyer I received
in the post yesterday...I also told them about their mapping showing their blue line passing within 200 mtrs of where I live Each one told me i would not be able to receive ftth as i was outside the distance.
I told them that i thought distance had no bearing but no give in ' Sir your line does not qualify for fibre'
So take it from me after what i was told today i would not be getting my hopes high for the future !!

I've highlighted in bold the line part which shows you that the phone reps in Eir(com) aren't up to speed with anything that isnt' ADSL/VDSL/"efibre". Seems like they know nothing/little about FTTH yet. They are still focused on the copper pair being qualified

Gonzo

right now the blue lines are just that 'blue lines on a map'. They wont be built for years and your line is not gonna pass untill you see Eir installing fibre on your road and stringing it past your house.

There is no point in ringing up Eir right now to see if your line will pass as the network isn't even started, it doesn't start for another 2 years! all we can do is wait for another 2-5 years, it's gonna be one very long painfull wait that I hope is worth it! 8meg feels slow right now, I can't imagine how slow its gonna feel by 2018-2020 before we get our shiny fibre.

ED E

Gonzo wrote: »

right now the blue lines are just that 'blue lines on a map'. They wont be built for years and your line is not gonna pass untill you see Eir installing fibre on your road and stringing it past your house.

There is no point in ringing up Eir right now to see if your line will pass as the network isn't even started, it doesn't start for another 2 years! all we can do is wait for another 2-5 years, it's gonna be one very long painfull wait that I hope is worth it! 8meg feels slow right now, I can't imagine how slow its gonna feel by 2018-2020 before we get our shiny fibre.

Not true. FTTH HAS started, its just NBP intervention thats waiting two years.

Gonzo

my post was a bit misleading, i was more referring to the FTTH blue line rural fibre network over the urban FTTH in 66 towns which has already started in 16 locations.

Am I right in saying that the blue lines rural fibre network that Eir added to their map last week is now not part of the NBP?
e.g. my area was part of the NBP map but now with the blue lines in the area I presume now that im not part of the NBP anymore?

Johnboy1951

Gonzo wrote: »

my post was a bit misleading, i was more referring to the FTTH blue line rural fibre network over the urban FTTH in 66 towns which has already started in 16 locations.

Am I right in saying that the blue lines rural fibre network that Eir added to their map last week is now not part of the NBP?
e.g. my area was part of the NBP map but now with the blue lines in the area I presume now that im not part of the NBP anymore?

That is a matter of conjecture at this time. eir would like us to believe so.

But the gov's position seems to be that any commercial rollout not completed by 2017 will be included in the NBP ..... so those areas with blue lines could be included in the NBP.

All a bit confusing at the moment.

clohamon

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That is a matter of conjecture at this time. eir would like us to believe so.

But the gov's position seems to be that any commercial rollout not completed by 2017 will be included in the NBP ..... so those areas with blue lines could be included in the NBP.

All a bit confusing at the moment.

The planned deployments within the blue areas may be rolled-out within the same timeframe as the intervention itself, i.e. 2020 (though probably later).

The eircom blue lines are selective one-dimensional paths. So they are not 'areas' as such and may not qualify under the State Aid Guidelines. If they do qualify then they would be entitled to the same timeframe as the existing blue areas .

Johnboy1951

clohamon wrote: »

The planned deployments within the blue areas may be rolled-out within the same timeframe as the intervention itself, i.e. 2020 (though probably later).

The eircom blue lines are selective one-dimensional paths. So they are not 'areas' as such and may not qualify under the State Aid Guidelines. If they do qualify then they would be entitled to the same timeframe as the existing blue areas .

I am not quite sure what you mean.

It is apparent that eir are attempting to take those connections covered by the 'thin blue lines' out of the NBP, thus giving them a huge advantage over any competitors involved in the NBP, by saying they are commercially viable.

They can do that presently if they provide the service by 2017, it seems.
But they have mentioned 2020 as the time frame.

So whether those connections will be within the NBP or not remains to be seen.

clohamon

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

They can do that presently if they provide the service by 2017, it seems.
But they have mentioned 2020 as the time frame.

The State Aid Guidelines usually require private planned deployments to be complete or substantially complete within three years. However where the State Intervention itself is likely to take longer than three years, then the timeframe for private investments is extended accordingly.

Bottom line; if eir blue lines are accepted, they have at least until 2020 to roll them out.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

So whether those connections will be within the NBP or not remains to be seen.

True, but timescale is not the issue.

KOR101

We should be hoping the blue line houses remain in the NBP because there is then a contractual commitment to them, father than just a commitment.

We should also want companies other than Eircom to win as much as possible to help competition and to keep as much pressure on Eircom as possible.

Johnboy1951

clohamon wrote: »

The State Aid Guidelines usually require private planned deployments to be complete or substantially complete within three years. However where the State Intervention itself is likely to take longer than three years, then the timeframe for private investments is extended accordingly.

Bottom line; if eir blue lines are accepted, they have at least until 2020 to roll them out.


True, but timescale is not the issue.

The state intervention in this case is not part of the 'private planned deployment', but begins after its completion, IIRC.

So the time scale seems to be applicable.