Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

PARlance · 06-09-2015 03:02PM

Just sitting down sit down to watch it again. A lot of drink consumed in between the match and now but before seeing it on TV:

1. Management were poor. While they may have gotten it right against Donegal, what's to say it wasn't the players just getting it right. Giving short kick outs away is ok if it's effective but it clearly wasn't. The free man receiving the kick was pressurised straight away, leaving another free man inside him, leaving Dublin with a clear run up to the 45 nearly every time. It's up to the management to get the best of out AO'S... he was completely wasted.

2. While we've got a great bunch of players, we are clearly 2 scoring forwards short of a serious team. Our scores were laboured, Dublin's came from the added bit of class.

3. We didn't know what to do when we went ahead. You can't train people to make the right decisions under pressure. Keegan kicking it into Cluxton's hands sums up all that we're missing. Robbie being rushed into taking the kick out just before the first goal another shocking example. He was tying his laces as the point went over, he was then told to hurry on so ran up to take the kick, slipped as kicking, he still hadn't his glove on by the time the ball was in the back of the net. What was going to happen if he took his time and composed himself...
Same old story with stupid high floating balls in, didn't work in the first game and didn't work yesterday.

4. There doesn't seem to be any gears between slow build ups (which worked fairly well) and all out crazy in the last 10 of first match. We didn't know what to do with the lead and open space as Dublin pushed on.

5. F*ck it. Dublin are a better team. They toyed with us when they went ahead.

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2015 03:30PM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

I'd say you need another forward, which you probably do, to win an AI

But that's assuming the rest of the side will be able to keep up the level they've been at for the last five years or close to it and slot this new superstar (a returned Pearse Hanley?) in. Okay, none of the key players are 'too old' as such, but neither are Rafa Nadal and Wayne Rooney...

corny · 06-09-2015 03:31PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

No idea. We were bossing the game up to then and looked comfortable. Off he comes and Dublin start bossing the middle. I think he was taken off just before the botched Hennelly kickout. We lost our main outlet at midfield. Fair enough if he was injured though he wasn't limping and hadn't been treated. And why not bring back AOS to midfield to give a presence. In a catalog of poor substitutions in the last 5 years that was one of the worst. Clueless management once again. Its the curse of poor management.

AOS was in midfield. He was supposed to be following Fenton for the Dublin goal. Similar to McMahons open goal chance in the first half. Nothing to do with sweepers he just wouldn't or couldn't follow his man.

km79 · 06-09-2015 03:34PM

deeeeeeeeepressed
feels further away than ever

Brusna · 06-09-2015 07:15PM

I thought we didn't recover from last week as good as Dublin.

Some are saying SO'S black card was the turning point, I don't agree, Andy came on and immediately set up the goal to put us 4 up so that was a good change.

This was the time to push on and close the game out but we couldn't do it. The energy wasn't in the legs.

Some people are wondering why Barry and Tom were taken off. To me, it was obvious, they had given everything they had and the legs were gone.

The Dubs had more energy in the last 15 minutes than we had and they pulled away.

So, that brings me back to my opening statement, the Dubs recovered (from last week) better than us and they had more energy at the end of the game and were able to push on and run out comfortable winners.

Obviously some positives too, Diarmuid O'Connor is a class act, Patrick Durcan was excellent and hopefully a few more of the successful 2013 minors coming through the team will get stronger.

Clearly we are in the top 3 or 4 in the country, we just need to find that extra bit that is going to get us across the line.

I love following this team, we have many more good days than bad. While I'm disappointed today I'll never forget how proud I have been of this team on all the good days and even on some of the bad days.

So thanks Mayo senior football team, keep it going and we'll keep following.

Fowler87 · 06-09-2015 07:38PM

Think I'll postpone viewing the game back for another while. Glum

ColeTrain · 06-09-2015 07:39PM

Brusna wrote: »

I love following this team, we have many more good days than bad. While I'm disappointed today I'll never forget how proud I have been of this team on all the good days and even on some of the bad days.

So thanks Mayo senior football team, keep it going and we'll keep following.

Amen.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 06-09-2015 08:25PM

I don't think I'll ever see Mayo win an All-Ireland.

And I'm only 24.

kippy · 06-09-2015 08:29PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever see Mayo win an All-Ireland.

And I'm only 24.

Be thankful you are not from Leitrim, Longford, Roscommon etc etc
We're exceptionally lucky to have our football go on into September, most other counties would kill for that!
Granted its heart break so far for us but thats' the "joy" and emotion of following a team.
Chin up - there are some major positives to take from this year.

SeanJ09 · 06-09-2015 08:39PM

Still gutted after yesterday. Felt like we had Dublin on the rack when we were 4 up but couldn't finish them off. We have a decent chance of making the final next year. We are due to avoid Kerry or Dublin in the semi's next year. Think we are due to play the Ulster champs right?

seligehgit · 06-09-2015 08:40PM

Yes it's the Ulster champions next year for the Connaught champions.

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2015 09:18PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Yes it's the Ulster champions next year for the Connaught champions.

Hmm with potential Ulster rivals either on the slide or not yet where they want to be, and those in Connaught hopefully in the latter category, could be a smooth progression to the final next year. And when we get there, perhaps Dublin will have knocked out Kerry and then replicate their performance in last year's semi in the final. No wishful thinking at all in this forecast...:P

yop · 06-09-2015 09:26PM

Sickened, tired, worn out, depressed, dejected, as low as any AI loss.
Feel for the players, how they get up and go again is beyond me.

Better team won, took the game when it was there and pushed on, we had that chance and didnt take it.
Some below par performances, think McLoughs needs time off, been saying that for 18 months.
Strange decisions on the line, taking Moran off was beyond me, directly led to Dublins 1st goal.
Doherty was all at sea.
Sos will be peed off.
Ref had a very good game.
Discipline by both teams was exceptional.
Hats off to Connolly, he controlled himself but could see his head was down. Saw a different side to him.
Dublin fans were A1, before the game I had 3 different dubs make a point of shaking hands around me, I reciprocated at the end, we all have an end goal, so at the end of the day its a game.

Proud of the lads, up and downs again all year, regroup and come back again.

wirelessdude01 · 06-09-2015 09:42PM

I see this as year one of a new project. The Horan style has been dismantled. Think back to Donegal in year one and how they progressed and gained the ultimate prize in year two. If we are to persist with Aido at full forward then we have to develop our style so that a) we deliver quality ball into him, good diagonal ball that he can win, b) have runners and/or corner forward that takes a pop pass coming from behind and slot the easy points, c) develop a quick counter attack. Rewatching the game this evening you could see that an awful lot of aimless and unwinnable ball was played in. Also we slowed the ball down time and time again when if we played at a higher tempo the Dubs would have been exposed.

Ace2007 · 06-09-2015 09:42PM

SeanJ09 wrote: »

Still gutted after yesterday. Felt like we had Dublin on the rack when we were 4 up but couldn't finish them off. We have a decent chance of making the final next year. We are due to avoid Kerry or Dublin in the semi's next year. Think we are due to play the Ulster champs right?

Is this not a big problem for Mayo?

More often than not, they beat one good team in the championship and get to the final and lose. This year they beat Donegal, and lost to Dublin. Next year where is the challenge going to be - no point getting to final with no challenge, and then thinking this is our year, only to lose again.

Even in the league, Mayo rarely beat more than 1 of the big teams. Its seems to be that they have 1 big game in them each year. If they took the league serious and beat more of the big teams, it would give them belief that they can win.

seligehgit · 06-09-2015 09:51PM

Hope the relevant authorities see fit to send the lads off on a well earned break.Party to a contest that sold out Croke Park on the double.They're an absolute credit to the county.As already mentioned countless other counties would endeavour for a even a modicum of success.Nobody has an entitlement to the ultimate prize in terms of success,hence success is relative.They are not failures in my book,not been good enough is no shame.I know I'll be accused of reinforcing the perception of the Mayo psyche of embracing failure and been afraid to grasp success,mental fragility.... I care less for the begrudgers.We love our football in this county and will go back supporting the team come hell or high water next year.

TCDStudent1 · 06-09-2015 10:50PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Hope the relevant authorities see fit to send the lads off on a well earned break.Party to a contest that sold out Croke Park on the double.They're an absolute credit to the county.As already mentioned countless other counties would endeavour for a even a modicum of success.Nobody has an entitlement to the ultimate prize in terms of success,hence success is relative.They are not failures in my book,not been good enough is no shame.I know I'll be accused of reinforcing the perception of the Mayo psyche of embracing failure and been afraid to grasp success,mental fragility.... I care less for the begrudgers.We love our football in this county and will go back supporting the team come hell or high water next year.

The most you can ever expect from a group of footballers is to work as hard as possible and perform to the best of their ability.

If they did that, then you should be happy!

I suspect that Mayo did not perform to the best of their ability when they went 4 points up and let nerves get the better of them. But in such big matches, there are very marginal calls that sway matches - like would taking a black card by bringing down Bernard brogans crucial goal have won match for Mayo? Maybe so!

Fr Tod Umptious · 06-09-2015 10:50PM

On last nights game I though the loss of Seamus O' Shea was a big factor, even though I thought at the time they would be fine, but in the end the inability to capalatise on the 4pt lead and once again the easy concession of goals killed them.

Going forward I am more confident for this team than I was 12 months ago.
I think I said on the old thread when the management team took over that a SF loss to Dublin, the clear favourites for this title from a long way off, would not be too bad for the first term of this management team.
As it turns out they went a bit further and got a second game out of Dublin.

The bright side for 2016 is that if they have to play Galway or Roscommon they will do so in Castlebar. I fully expect them to win Connacht again.

After that an AI final is a make-able goal.
There are now 3 stand out teams in football, Mayo, Kerry and Dublin, and from what we have seen over the past 2 seasons Mayo are not far behind the other two.

After that there is a drop off.
Cork a a mess, Ulster eventhough competitive producers one dimensional teams with no real bite, and there is no one in Leinster.

So is really no one that should trouble Mayo getting to a final , i.e Connacht, Qualifier or Ulster Champion.

But they have work to do over the winter, sort of the sweeper system or some other defensive system, and find out what to do with AOS.
If he is going to stay at FF either play someone off him or work or getting the right service to him.
For all the hype about him, his goal v Donegal was the only real return for all the time he spent up there in the business end of the season.

The emergence of Diarmuid O' Connor is good to see, as is what we saw from Durcan in his two big day appearances.
It would be good to get Regan back to full health too.
For all the talk there was about Kevin Kenane he saw no more game time after that red card. He had a good league but Caff was still starter during the games in CP
Hopefully there are one or two more that can add to the squad
Other than Dillion I don't see any retirements, Andy Moran will likely give it at least another year.

I'd like to see them go for the league win in 2016, it would do their confidence the world of good.

NabyLadistheman · 06-09-2015 10:51PM

suarezistheman wrote:

Been thinking this myself. We know we are the best team in Connaught and without being arrogant about it knew we could go out and beat Sligo on our terms playing the way we usually do. With O'Shea and Cillian as focal points up top we actually have the perfect team to play a counter-attacking game against the Dubs down the line. (provided we progress of course)

People say the team hasn't really changed since the 2 boys came in. I disagree. Obviously O'Shea at full-forward is the biggest difference. Parsons excelling and young O'Connor is a year older and has progressed. We now also have a better goalie in Clarke. Our bench looks strong, lads coming in contributing. McLoughlin is crying out to be played as a sweeper along with somebody else. People keep on about our shaky full-back line but if we put 2 bodies in front of them against any of the big three our last line of defence will be perfectly fine!

I just hope our management team are thinking a step ahead on this because come the end of the season if we fall short after going man-to-man they will have to go. End of

I wrote this 2 months ago. Whatever about the substitution's it was criminal to set-up so naively against the Dubs. No sweeper whatsoever, I would hate to play in that Mayo full-back line. They were so exposed and it's only a miracle there was no goals conceded in the first half.

In my mind we need to go way for the winter & start working on a defensive structure for next season. One which employs at least one full-time sweeper who can play the position, (unlike Boyler, & I love Boyler) We have the perfect link men in DOC to play this way & the fact Noel & Pat could not see this as soon as they came in worries me greatly.

Donegal 2012 - defensive
Dublin 2013 - defensive
Kerry 2014 - defensive
Kerry Dublin 2015 - defensive

Some of the fan-base may not be happy, such was the hullabaloo after the drawn match. But in the end of that match we had Dublin broke. This system needs to be played in the FBD, the league & every match we play in Connaught. It's the only way forward & our only chance of sealing the deal with these lads. God knows they deserve it. Do Noel & Pat ave the foresight & ability to implement it though?!

seligehgit · 06-09-2015 11:10PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

The most you can ever expect from a group of footballers is to work as hard as possible and perform to the best of their ability.

If they did that, then you should be happy!

I suspect that Mayo did not perform to the best of their ability when they went 4 points up and let nerves get the better of them. But in such big matches, there are very marginal calls that sway matches - like would taking a black card by bringing down Bernard brogans crucial goal have won match for Mayo? Maybe so!

Lee Keegan's chance to put us 5 up was absolutely crucial.Agree 100% with your observation,we seemed to sit back,play keep ball with some very risky handpassing instead of going for the jugular.Robert Hennelly's possible timewasting with the kickout was a symptom of this.This has been a recurrent theme..our panic,failure to close out games when in possession of a decent lead.
Having said that I never thought we were fully in control of the contest even when we went 4 up,hence Lee's point opportunity was vital.After the loss of Seamus O Shea and the shipping of the initial Dublin goal the wind went out of our sails,the legs seemed to be totally gone.I was quite surprised at the substitution of Barry Moran however leg weary he was as we were already short in the middle.Have yet to watch back the game.

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2015 11:17PM

Was there a proper midfield sub option on the bench? What's become of Jason Gibbons?

Oldtree · 07-09-2015 12:56AM

I am exhausted and drained, what a roller coaster of a ride the last 2 games have been. The team did their best and of that I am proud of them and their efforts, well done. I very much enjoy and admire the way mayo play football.

They made all round huge improvements this year that were obvious throughout the season, working better together as a team along with improved fitness and stamina for the last 10 minutes, which used to be an awful problem imo.

Having just learned about the possible route to the final next year, I'm feeling much better now thank you ;-) and looking forward to 2016 with some relish, it can't come quick enough.

flasher0030 · 07-09-2015 10:37AM

seligehgit wrote: »

Lee Keegan's chance to put us 5 up was absolutely crucial.Agree 100% with your observation,we seemed to sit back,play keep ball with some very risky handpassing instead of going for the jugular.Robert Hennelly's possible timewasting with the kickout was a symptom of this.This has been a recurrent theme..our panic,failure to close out games when in possession of a decent lead.
Having said that I never thought we were fully in control of the contest even when we went 4 up,hence Lee's point opportunity was vital.After the loss of Seamus O Shea and the shipping of the initial Dublin goal the wind went out of our sails,the legs seemed to be totally gone.I was quite surprised at the substitution of Barry Moran however leg weary he was as we were already short in the middle.Have yet to watch back the game.

In fairness, it was massive work by the Dublin defender (McCarthy, I think) to catch up to Lee, and just put him off when he was shooting. He probably didn't realise it at the time, how important that sprint would be. I'm not saying it would definitely have made a difference, but if Mayo had gone 5 ahead, it would have really raised the adrenaline.

Gallagher10 · 07-09-2015 11:39AM

I think i read in here somewhere that there are only 3 big teams left where I disagree with that entirely. I believe that there are 6 teams to think of for any given game and they are Mayo, Dublin, Donegal, Kerry, Tyrone and Monaghan. Tyrone ran Kerry close, Mayo were fortunate to have a fluke goal against Donegal that really killed the game, Dublin aren't much ahead of Mayo. It's close tbh. Honestly I think COC needs to develop more from play as I only see him score frees in the big games. Thoughts?

TCDStudent1 · 07-09-2015 11:55AM

Gallagher10 wrote: »

I think i read in here somewhere that there are only 3 big teams left where I disagree with that entirely. I believe that there are 6 teams to think of for any given game and they are Mayo, Dublin, Donegal, Kerry, Tyrone and Monaghan. Tyrone ran Kerry close, Mayo were fortunate to have a fluke goal against Donegal that really killed the game, Dublin aren't much ahead of Mayo. It's close tbh. Honestly I think COC needs to develop more from play as I only see him score frees in the big games. Thoughts?

Fluke goal? O'sheas goal was a fluke - how???

Seans_Username · 07-09-2015 11:57AM

Gallagher10 wrote: »

Mayo were fortunate to have a fluke goal against Donegal that really killed the game

(I was about to give out asking how AOS's goal was a fluke, forgot about keegan's goal)

What successful team hasn't had a piece of luck on their way to winning a game. (See McFadden's goal in 2012) Mayo were the better team this year and Donegal never looked like catching up to them after half-time.

Gallagher10 wrote: »

Honestly I think COC needs to develop more from play as I only see him score frees in the big games.

His first score from play yesterday was a ****ín screamer of a point from absolutely no-where. His free taking is excellent and he's one of the best players at drawing fouls, as is O'Shea. Mayo didn't get a lot from play in the first game against Dublin because the Dubs kept fouling. Had they not fouled, COC may well have been able to pop over a few scores from play.

I'm not saying that they play for frees, but Dublin were very indisciplined in the first game. And someone has to score the frees, don't they? Cluxton couldn't do it last week, Dean Rock couldn't do it on Saturday, but Cillian did it 2 weeks in a row.

And no offence intended to Monaghan, but if they were a band they'd be called 'Conor McManus featuring others'.

dunnerc · 07-09-2015 11:57AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Fluke goal? O'sheas goal was a fluke - how???

nothing flukey about that goal

TCDStudent1 · 07-09-2015 11:59AM

dunnerc wrote: »

nothing flukey about that goal

Aah I'd forgotten keegans too. I see his point now!

Fr Tod Umptious · 07-09-2015 12:25PM

Monday morning.
No tickets to find.
No transport to book.
No provisional days off on the 21st and 22nd to arrange.

The realisation that its over has just set in.

The FBD and the over excited Rossies cannot come soon enough.

mayo.mick · 07-09-2015 12:39PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Monday morning.
No tickets to find.
No transport to book.
No provisional days off on the 21st and 22nd to arrange.

The realisation that its over has just set in.

The FBD and the over excited Rossies cannot come soon enough.

:D:D

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