"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In what sense?

In that you were talking out of your backside.

Infini · 02-09-2015 11:14PM

petrolcan wrote: »

It is quite possible that in all the text after the above word was a solution for world peace that would be acceptable to all but I'm afraid I stopped reading.

Your point being? You didnt even quote me right you just put a single word in that I didnt even say

02-09-2015 11:15PM

petrolcan wrote: »

I don't have an answer to 'how do we decide'

It's the 'I don't care' that I really don't get.

I do care. Ireland is also a small country but we have room to take some in. How many can we take in? I have no idea because I am not qualified to answer that.

Also from the 600 we take in they are allowed invite family over after a while so that 600 could multiply quite quick. In reality we are taking much more than 600.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:17PM

Eliza Crooked Upstairs wrote: »

I assume it was personal in nature and had little to do with the issue at hand, which says a lot.

It was personal in nature and all to do with your response to the issue at hand.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That is your opinion but a lot would disagree with it.

No doubt but I see it every day.

mikeym · 02-09-2015 11:18PM

The kids are always the ones that suffer when theres conflict.

Why arent the people trafficers hunted down and drowned?

Infini · 02-09-2015 11:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It does do a good job at highlighting how religion causes needless suffering.

To be honest religion on its own isnt an issue its ORGANISED religion thats the problem. Its the reason for alot of problems in human history and expecially among the abrahamic line (judaism, christianity, islam).

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The native Christian people of Rotherham or Luton might beg to differ with you.

I'm under no illusion that there are some difficulties surrounding integration. My experiences are that Muslims have integrated very well into British culture, almost as well as I have.

johnty56 · 02-09-2015 11:21PM

efb wrote: »

You feel no guilt looking at that picture of the dead boy? I do. Living in luxury in the west, but we cant take anymore...

What if it affects our broadband speed?

No. I feel no guilt at all, none , zilch,.

It is not my fault in any way at all, nor am i in the least bit responsible or culpable.

As for living in luxury, you know nothing about me.

The Backwards Man · 02-09-2015 11:21PM

Am I the only one that is secretly glad that most of the posters on AH will never be involved in policy making at either national or international level?

I'm just a stupid bogman from the backarse of nowhere but I'm pretty sure I have more common decency in my wee toe than some of ye.

N365 · 02-09-2015 11:21PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Madness, and there will be no temporary about it.

Please state why it would be "madness". Would it not be worth it to see people saved from the horrible situation they're in?

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:23PM

petrolcan wrote: »

No Irish would ever do that....

You are an extremely annoying commentator.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:25PM

the_syco wrote: »

Because the child is white?

Wtf?

Infini · 02-09-2015 11:26PM

N365 wrote: »

Th immigrants should be allowed into Ireland en masse even temporarily.these poor people are desperate .

Not a hope in hell of this happening. Taking in refugees aint a problem if its organised and vetted (syrian families/women and children getting priority). Taking em in enmass would open a pandoras box of problems that would hit us further down the road. As awful as it is the last thing you want here is Race Wars, Culture Shock and Ghettos from a kneejerk haphazard influx. Need to determine the genuine ones and make sure theyre able to integrate and assimilate into Irish society.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:27PM

efb wrote: »

You feel no guilt looking at that picture of the dead boy? I do. Living in luxury in the west, but we cant take anymore...

What if it affects our broadband speed?

But what are you personally going to do? I agree we should take a few thousand or more. But let's make sure that this isn't, as usual with lots of middle class morality, costless to the middle classes and rich, and expensive on the poor.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:27PM

timthumbni wrote: »

So there are no issues with immigration in the UK at all then?

The biggest issue with immigration in the UK is the press and the current government bowing to the likes of the daily mail.

I'm quite happy to have my taxes increased if it means we are a safe haven. The majority of asylum seekers I have spoken to don't want to settle here, they want to return to their homeland. If some of my taxes went on that, I won't cry.

And re your offer about your garden and tent fair plays to you. You could be genuine but I suspect that most on here who are up for offering spare rooms etc will probably not go through with it.

My offer is genuine.

Saying that, if they put the loo roll on the wrong way I'll deport them myself!

BlaasForRafa · 02-09-2015 11:28PM

efb wrote: »

Or we do more than overthrow the despot and walk away...

We? Who do you define as "we"?

Yurt2 · 02-09-2015 11:28PM

N365 wrote: »

Please state why it would be "madness". Would it not be worth it to see people saved from the horrible situation they're in?

Taking in a group 'en masse' (your words) without the resources to shelter them, treat them medically, ensure they don't become ghettoized never mind ascertaining if they're actually from Syria in the first place (Is speaking Arabic good enough to get on the plane?) or figuring out their background is madness. That's called making a rod for your own back. Not sustainable, not a good idea. We should do our part and take an appropriate quota (certainly the situation calls for us taking more), but it needs to be done right.

Oh, and the people traffickers need to be dealt with SEVERELY.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:28PM

petrolcan wrote: »

The biggest issue with immigration in the UK is the press and the current government bowing to the likes of the daily mail.

I'm quite happy to have my taxes increased if it means we are a safe haven. The majority of asylum seekers I have spoken to don't want to settle here, they want to return to their homeland. If some of my taxes went on that, I won't cry.

My offer is genuine.

Saying that, if they put the loo roll on the wrong way I'll deport them myself!

You own a house in London? Why isn't there a spare room.

PatL23 · 02-09-2015 11:29PM

One of the problems I have with Ireland taking in its fair share of illegals is that they come from a religon that has proven time and time again across europe that they dont integrate with western society and its ways.
The vast majority of them are homophobic and sexist as this is indoctrined into them by their religon. Just look at the problems it has brought to the UK, France and Sweden. Our laws will have to bend to conform to their beliefs not visa versa, i do not want that for this country only as it has loosened its grip from Catholicism.
ISIS have said they will flood europe with its members and it is happening no doubt. Germany together the UK/Europe and USA must reinstate its military to the maximum of its capability and go after ISIS full force.

No politician/government has the balls to attack these issues sadly. If they did they'd be branded as bigots and racists.

Ill just leave this here.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:30PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

We? Who do you define as "we"?

We are all yanks. Apparantly.

America hasn't offered anything has it? Israel not prepared to open its borders to non Jewish immigration. Both are more responsible than Ireland for the present crisis.

The Backwards Man · 02-09-2015 11:31PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

But what are you personally going to do? I agree we should take a few thousand or more. But let's make sure that this isn't, as usual with lots of middle class morality, costless to the middle classes and rich, and expensive on the poor.

What country do you live in? There are no classes in Ireland, not in the sense that there is many countries around the world, despite what many agenda driven people would love to realise.

foggy_lad · 02-09-2015 11:32PM

Le Surge Eyed Amant wrote: »

There are far worse photos than this relating to the Syrian War, tbh.

Unfortunately this image of a dead child is replicated all over Africa and Asia and there is nothing any country or group like the EU or UN can do.

If proper policing of exit points where these migrants are setting off from was undertaken a few months ago to stop this current influx then many lives would have been spared but Europe dithered and played dumb like they did with Bosnia and people are dying.

as it stands now because Europe is seen as a soft touch the floodgates from these countries have opened because these people feel they can just turn up and demand housing and to be looked after. There are thousands protesting in Hungary because they were blocked from entering the train stations and moving on to Germany/Austria where they see more money for their new lives.

This situation needs to be dealt with and sorted out as soon as possible and the only way of doing it is to set up refugee camps and keep these refugees in these camps until they can be processed and returned to their own country.

Europe can not afford to take in the poor of Africa, India and Asia

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:32PM

efb wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-blasts-david-cameron-for-wholly-inadequate-response-to-refugee-crisis-britain-is-being-shamed-by-our-european-neighbours-10483220.html

Corbyn on Cameron

Cameron's a **** of the highest order. A ratings chaser.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:35PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

That's a year old. Clearly Europe was coping then. The newest figures must be much higher. Why do we know this? Because of the scenes we see on television

Because it's the current media campaign. Europe wasn't coping a year ago and certainly isn't coping now.

Would it be so terrible to ask our supposed leaders to get their heads together in an attempt to sort this out?

efb · 02-09-2015 11:36PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

But what are you personally going to do? I agree we should take a few thousand or more. But let's make sure that this isn't, as usual with lots of middle class morality, costless to the middle classes and rich, and expensive on the poor.

Me? Firstly donate money to crisis agencies, be vocal about Ireland stepping up to help

02-09-2015 11:36PM

Infini2 wrote: »

To be honest religion on its own isnt an issue its ORGANISED religion thats the problem. Its the reason for alot of problems in human history and expecially among the abrahamic line (judaism, christianity, islam).

Yeah, I am a fairly militant atheist. I have no time for any religious bull crap, I think organized religion is whats causing a lot of the problems over there. I do however want us to help those people as much as we possibly can.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:38PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Unfortunately this image of a dead child is replicated all over Africa and Asia and there is nothing any country or group like the EU or UN can do.

If proper policing of exit points where these migrants are setting off from was undertaken a few months ago to stop this current influx then many lives would have been spared but Europe dithered and played dumb like they did with Bosnia and people are dying.

as it stands now because Europe is seen as a soft touch the floodgates from these countries have opened because these people feel they can just turn up and demand housing and to be looked after. There are thousands protesting in Hungary because they were blocked from entering the train stations and moving on to Germany/Austria where they see more money for their new lives.

This situation needs to be dealt with and sorted out as soon as possible and the only way of doing it is to set up refugee camps and keep these refugees in these camps until they can be processed and returned to their own country.

Europe can not afford to take in the poor of Africa, India and Asia

This smacks of NIMBYSM to me

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:38PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What country do you live in? There are no classes in Ireland, not in the sense that there is many countries around the world, despite what many agenda driven people would love to realise.

I know that in the fields of Donegal you might think that, given one man is earning the same as the next, but all countries have classes. Pop into daft.ie and sort by house prices descending to see how the other 5% live. We also have billionaires. And millionaires. It's almost like -- whisper it -- Ireland is a rich capitalist country.

02-09-2015 11:38PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What country do you live in? There are no classes in Ireland, not in the sense that there is many countries around the world, despite what many agenda driven people would love to realise.

Are you saying that if we take in a few thousand migrants then there's an equal chance of them ending up in Foxrock or Dalkey as there is of them ending up in north or west Dublin?

Give it a rest, we all know the migrants will be accepted and allowed to compete with working classes for jobs, accommodation, schools etc. The touchy feely types that are most loudly calling for acceptance of the migrants will still be allowed to live in their white native English speaking enclaves which will largely be unaffected.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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