"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

eviltimeban

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/02/haunting-picture-of-drowned-syrian-boy-in-bodrum-prompts-debate_n_8077012.html?utm_source=change_org&utm_medium=petition (Warning on the image, though the one in this link isn't as bad as the one they refer to)

It's not a political point, it's not a moral point, it's not a 'society' point.

A dead child on a beach isn't something that should happen.

strelok

'anti human propaganda'

jesus christ, graham linehan is such a twat

uch

Jaysus put a warning in that title

wes

Saw this earlier and its completely heart breaking. Have a lump in my throat. Poor little guy.

Le Surge Eyed Amant

There are far worse photos than this relating to the Syrian War, tbh.

snubbleste

Le Surge Eyed Amant wrote: »

There are far worse photos than this relating to the Syrian War, tbh.

Yeah but they don't have their own thread in AH.

eviltimeban

Le Surge Eyed Amant wrote: »

There are far worse photos than this relating to the Syrian War, tbh.

It's just topical as "all the talk" seems to be about migrants / refugees / train stations not letting people through / people marching in solidarity etc etc.

Satriale

Fcukin hell.

darkpagandeath

Dead kids should not happen, But unfortunately they do and there is very little we can do about it. Did the child walk to there alone or was the child brought.

Cienciano

Le Surge Eyed Amant wrote: »

There are far worse photos than this relating to the Syrian War, tbh.

snubbleste wrote: »

Yeah but they don't have their own thread in AH.

A image of what looks like a poor little 4 year old dead and the first thing you think of is to have a go at After Hours? Christ :rolleyes:

If that image doesn't affect you, you're not human.

Streetwalker

America has blood on its hands for the deaths of all these innocents. They are the ones who armed the "rebels" and bombed Iraq to create the ISIS monster. Look what freedom has brought these poor souls. Shame on them.

I feel a little sick.

That photo is like a punch to the stomach. It should be the wake up call in the same way that the photo of a child waiting to die as vultures gathered came to define a part of the 80s.

kstand

Saw this a few minutes ago, chilled me to the bone. That could be my son, an innocent little child in a pair of shorts and a tshirt.

Le Surge Eyed Amant

Cienciano wrote: »

A image of what looks like a poor little 4 year old dead and the first thing you think of is to have a go at After Hours? Christ :rolleyes:

If that image doesn't affect you, you're not human.

I noticed that a lot of posters seemed to be reacting in a way that suggested the atrocities of the Syrian War were totally new to them. I wasn't having a go, I was pointing out that this photo is not a revelation, but merely a scratch on the surface.

Boring username

That picture only strengthens my belief that the people traffickers are scum who deliberately put people at risk to make a quick buck. Destroy the boats in harbour and target the traffickers with drones.

My name is URL

Boring username wrote: »

That picture only strengthens my belief that the people traffickers are scum who deliberately put people at risk to make a quick buck. Destroy the boats in harbour and target the traffickers with drones.

And what about all the innocents stuck there and caught up in the bombing campaign?

I love how this idea is touted by certain people under the guise of being concerned about the safety of those fleeing.. The people fleeing know the risks and are still willing to do it because the alternative is even worse.

snubbleste

Cienciano wrote: »

A image of what looks like a poor little 4 year old dead and the first thing you think of is to have a go at After Hours? Christ :rolleyes:
If that image doesn't affect you, you're not human.

I'm not commenting on the photo. Merely that this particular one was singled out.
Do you think I should post a new thread every hour about a dead child with an arresting thread title?

tonycascarino

Another victim of this mad open door policy.

Old Jakey

Was more taken with this story tbh

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/01/tory-councillor-investigated-boat-naked-women-captioned-carlsberg-illegal-immigrants_n_8069148.html

darkpagandeath

My name is URL wrote: »

And what about all the innocents stuck there and caught up in the bombing campaign?

I love how this idea is touted by certain people under the guise of being concerned about the safety of those fleeing.. The people fleeing know the risks and are still willing to do it because the alternative is even worse.

I'm sorry to break it, But children have been killed in the ME long before the West ever involved it's self. The Arab spring has a lot to answer for as well.

Boring username

My name is URL wrote: »

And what about all the innocents stuck there and caught up in the bombing campaign?

I love how this idea is touted by certain people under the guise of being concerned about the safety of those fleeing.. The people fleeing know the risks and are still willing to do it because the alternative is even worse.

Oh nevermind so, sure we'll continue to let thousands of people drown. Happy now? :rolleyes:

thomasm

Wish I never looked. Poor child. Have knot in stomach

Eugene Norman

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm sorry to break it, But children have been killed in the ME long before the West ever involved it's self. The Arab spring has a lot to answer for as well.

The present situation is down to neo con meddling in Syrias civil war. The "West" is too broad a term though.

handlemaster

Just over the last few years since the crises started over 100,000 irish have been excepted in other countries . Irelands response to people who are genuinely excaping horror we can not begin to comprehend is offer 500 people entry into our country. Its shameful. We once had 8 million people living in our country in much worse time than now. Hats off to Germany on this continuing suffering on our door step. RIP to this little boy.

frostyjacks

If the EU hadn't started the shuttle service to aid the human traffickers and towed the boats back to their point of origin, then this poor boy's parents wouldn't have bothered making the crossing, knowing it would be a waste of time.

We have satellites that can read the headlines off a newspaper from outer space, drones that can perform precision bombing against any target anywhere in the world, but we can't stop these human traffickers from sending people to their death on a daily basis?

darkpagandeath

handlemaster wrote: »

Just over the last few years since the crises started over 100,000 irish have been excepted in other countries . Irelands response to people who are genuinely excaping horror we can not begin to comprehend is offer 500 people entry into our country. Its shameful. We once had 8 million people living in our country in much worse time than now. Hats off to Germany on this continuing suffering on our door step. RIP to this little boy.

Syrians are being granted asylum, But the vast majority are not due to not being Syrians.

eeguy

Streetwalker wrote: »

America has blood on its hands for the deaths of all these innocents. They are the ones who armed the "rebels" and bombed Iraq to create the ISIS monster. Look what freedom has brought these poor souls. Shame on them.

The Syrian war is the only one that NATO and America hasn't directly intervened in.

Because of this it's dragged on for years.

At least Egypt, Libya and the other Arab Spring countries had quick wars, instead of this attrition.

snubbleste

handlemaster wrote: »

Just over the last few years since the crises started over 100,000 irish have been excepted in other countries . Irelands response to people who are genuinely excaping horror we can not begin to comprehend is offer 500 people entry into our country. Its shameful. We once had 8 million people living in our country in much worse time than now. Hats off to Germany on this continuing suffering on our door step. RIP to this little boy.

Contact the Irish red cross. Let them know you have some spare bedrooms to take in some migrants.
There are 100k people awaiting state housing already and rents are escalating

Old Jakey

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Syrians are being granted asylum, But the vast majority are not due to not being Syrians.

Only way to deal with this mess. We let in a small number of genuine asylum seekers and send the economic migrants back home.

handlemaster

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Syrians are being granted asylum, But the vast majority are not due to not being Syrians.

The majority coming to the EU are syria, iraqis.

snubbleste

handlemaster wrote: »

The majority coming to the EU are syria, iraqis.

Source?

RobertKK

David Cameron said there was not enough room in the UK for that child, so it is ok.

SEPT 23 1989

wait till the ones who left it too late are freezing to death in ditches across europe

there is no solution to this

handlemaster

snubbleste wrote: »

Contact the Irish red cross. Let them know you have some spare bedrooms to take in some migrants.
There are 100k people awaiting state housing already and rents are escalating

Yes not a problem but they have to be allowed in first. Like to iceland want has happened there . The coldness of your post is sad.

tonycascarino

handlemaster wrote: »

Just over the last few years since the crises started over 100,000 irish have been excepted in other countries . Irelands response to people who are genuinely excaping horror we can not begin to comprehend is offer 500 people entry into our country. Its shameful. We once had 8 million people living in our country in much worse time than now. Hats off to Germany on this continuing suffering on our door step.

500 becomes 1000, 1000 becomes 5000, 5000 becomes 10000 etc. We know how the EU works at this stage. The Slovak PM has it bang on the money when he says : "We strongly reject any quotas ... If a mechanism for automatic redistribution of migrants is adopted, then we will wake up one day and have 100,000 people from the Arab world and that is a problem I would not like Slovakia to have."

handlemaster

snubbleste wrote: »

Source?

Its not the issue. They are all human.

kstand

Old Jakey wrote: »

Only way to deal with this mess. We let in a small number of genuine asylum seekers and send the economic migrants back home.

This should have been policy from day one. But what do you do then when they go and throw away their passports? Where do you send them to?
The Syrians deserve our help, no question.

Personally I think there needs to be special towns/villages set up all along the European borders where these people can come and claim assylum. They must spend say 3 years in one of these places - but while there they are looked after, fed, clothed, receive proper medical care, their children and they themselves are schooled/trained. They are made learn 2 languages. They also do work to maintain the place they live etc and earn a wage. They are taught how to integrate and then after this time are let choose where to go in Europe.
Along with this, businesses should be given an incentive to hire these people once they are ready to integrate into European society and they are then protected by minimum wage structures etc.
What is going on now and has gone on for years is utter madness - immigration is a powder-keg without proper integration. And there can be no integration without education first of all, a full grasp of the language of where they intend to go and live etc. I live in London and there are many people here from asian backrounds who never even learn English and live in strict Ismlamic sub-cultures within this country. This is a recipe for utter disaster - and is playing into the hands of the far right.

tomwaterford

tonycascarino wrote: »

500 becomes 1000, 1000 becomes 5000, 5000 becomes 10000 etc. We know how the EU works at this stage. The Slovak PM has it bang on the money when he says : "We strongly reject any quotas ... If a mechanism for automatic redistribution of migrants is adopted, then we will wake up one day and have 100,000 people from the Arab world and that is a problem I would not like Slovakia to have."

Let them in...

In no world is right to send them back to ISIS land

handlemaster

tonycascarino wrote: »

500 becomes 1000, 1000 becomes 5000, 5000 becomes 10000 etc. We know how the EU works at this stage. The Slovak PM has it bang on the money when he says : "We strongly reject any quotas ... If a mechanism for automatic redistribution of migrants is adopted, then we will wake up one day and have 100,000 people from the Arab world and that is a problem I would not like Slovakia to have."

And what have you to fear ?
Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

Old Jakey

handlemaster wrote: »

And what have you to fear ?
Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

We don't the jobs, money, housing etc for hordes of migrants.

tonycascarino

tomwaterford wrote: »

Let them in..

In no world is right to send them back to ISIS land

Why didn't they stay in the 1st peaceful country they arrived in? Instead of staying there they come half way across Europe to try & get to countries deemed soft touches/great benefit systems. That does not appear to be genuine cases to me but chancers/economic migrants and they ruin it for the genuine refugees.

petrolcan

Old Jakey wrote: »

Only way to deal with this mess. We let in a small number of genuine asylum seekers and send the economic migrants back home.

Can you imagine what Ireland would be like if every country took that approach?

petrolcan

tonycascarino wrote: »

Another victim of this mad open doors policy.

What 'open doors' policy?

tonycascarino

handlemaster wrote: »

Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

Good for Germany. That's their prerogative. Doesn't concern me what they do. I wonder what the actual Germans think of it all, not that dictator Merkel.

petrolcan wrote: »

What 'open doors' policy?

EU can't protect its borders. They let everyone & anyone in. Now it's out of control.

kstand

handlemaster wrote: »

And what have you to fear ?
Germany is taking in 800,000 this year alone. Ireland can afford to take in alot more. Just the Irish people for all the talk of been a welcoming people just arent.

Are you off your rocker? Ireland can take in say close on 1m people just like that? Are you on acid?

Edit: Sorry, may have taken you up wrong, I presume you mean more than the 500 that the country is taking.

darkpagandeath

Ireland does not have the capacity to absorb 800,000 Syrians in a year.

tomwaterford

tonycascarino wrote: »

No. Send them back to a peaceful country with similar customs & culture to them. Why didn't they stay in the 1st peaceful country they arrived in? Instead they come half way across Europe to try & get to countries deemed soft touches/great benefit systems.

If anything...train them up to go back to fight Isis

Though I do agree they should be Encouraged to integrate....let them use the benefits...it's not as if we don't have enough using them here

They could be trying to get as far as possible away from the war which if being honest is hardly just contained to Syria at this stage

My name is URL

tonycascarino wrote: »

Good for Germany. That's their prerogative. Doesn't concern me what they do.

It will when Merkle demands that Ireland take more. Thankfully (in this case) we can rest assured that Kenny and FG will do whatever she says.

There's no justifiable reason that Ireland cannot accept more migrants than it already is, while a handful of other EU countries are left to deal with it on their own. Ireland has been happy enough to take billions of euro from the EU over the years, so it should be willing to pull its weight in this crisis.

Eugene Norman

snubbleste wrote: »

Contact the Irish red cross. Let them know you have some spare bedrooms to take in some migrants.
There are 100k people awaiting state housing already and rents are escalating

Actually I think if we do have to take in asylum seekers we may have to sequester bed rooms of the middle classes.

Eugene Norman

My name is URL wrote: »

It will when Merkle demands that Ireland take more. Thankfully (in this case) we can rest assured that Kenny and FG will do whatever she says.

There's no justifiable reason that Ireland cannot accept more migrants than it already is, while a handful of other EU countries are left to deal with it on their own. Ireland has been happy enough to take billions of euro from the EU over the years, so it should be willing to pull its weight in this crisis.

The 10000 or so would need to be housed. We don't have the capacity for that unless we start to take places in people's houses.

tomwaterford

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The 10000 or so would need to be housed. We don't have the capacity for that unless we start to take places in people's houses.

Do the govt not own a rake of Nama properties...hotels etc??

Even a patched together ****hole of a place in Roscommon would be better than sending them back to get the heads cut off em