"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

cowboyBuilder · 02-09-2015 10:29PM

wes wrote: »

Saw this earlier and its completely heart breaking. Have a lump in my throat. Poor little guy.

Saw this on the guardian , did not expect them to publish this - absolutely heartbreaking , I feel like crying ... So Fuxking tragic - and posting about it online just makes me worse - after suggestng refugees could be isis members in another post
Shame on me

02-09-2015 10:30PM

efb wrote: »

The single males might be trying to generate income to send home to improve the situation there

Once they get here, I don't think they are allowed work here for quite a while.

efb · 02-09-2015 10:30PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

No. It was America that attacked Iraq. And America with some, but not all, of its European and Arab vassal states that overthrew the dictators who are bringing stability to the region, largely because these dictators were anti western abs anti Israel.

Fact.

If I were you I'd get pissed at the U.S. Not the asylum seekers.

The dictators - like Gadaffi Pinochet even Hussain were fine when they worked with the west

02-09-2015 10:31PM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Saw this on the guardian , did not expect them to publish this - absolutely heartbreaking , I feel like crying ... So Fuxking tragic - and posting about it online just makes me worse - after suggestng refugees could be isis members in another post
Shame on me

No you are right. We need to help people but some refugees could be ISIS members and they are the people who are causing these deaths. We need to take in the genuine people, while doing what we can to make sure ISIS isn't hiding among them.

CJmasgrande · 02-09-2015 10:31PM

****ing yanks are all to blame for invading Iraq which the triggered off all the ****t in Iraq Syria Afganistan

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 10:32PM

The only good thing about this crisis is that when the yanks start their war cries on Iran some dopy European conservatives might even feel it might affect their lifestyle and at the very least we won't be joining them.

Of course they'll destroy Iran anyway. It's in the plan.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 10:32PM

Eliza Crooked Upstairs wrote: »

On the other side of the world, yeah.

If it wasn't for this thread I'd have never seen this boy, it wouldn't have affected any of us so I don't see why everybody should be up in arms trying to save the world over something that has absolutely no effect on us.

Wow!

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The response I was going to post would earn me a permaban and I'd probably deserve it.

efb · 02-09-2015 10:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Once they get here, I don't think they are allowed work here for quite a while.

Refugees are, asylum seekers are restricted

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/refugee_status_and_leave_to_remain/rights_of_convention_programme_refugees_people_given_leave_to_remain.html

02-09-2015 10:35PM

efb wrote: »

Refugees are, asylum seekers are restricted

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/refugee_status_and_leave_to_remain/rights_of_convention_programme_refugees_people_given_leave_to_remain.html

It takes years for their asylum to be decided on I thought?

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 10:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its a discussion forum, I was discussing. I didn't say anything malicious, wow you are very hostile.

Hostile? Maybe.

Correct? Most definitely!

02-09-2015 10:35PM

I think using emotions and sympathy to shape national policies is dangerous and short sighted.

Before agreeing to accept illegal migrants we should pause to consider:

1) Whether the population actually wants to take illegal immigrants. How about a referendum to decide such important issues?
2) What is the track record of assimilation of previous waves of migrants? What are the problems that have occurred in the past (thinking about terrorism and child grooming cases).
3) What values in the West are shared by the migrants? Are they going to be as tolerant towards things like free speech, same sex couples etc as we have become in the west?

It's too easy to wring our hands and talk about how shocked and appalled we are by the images of desperation. However, these emotions should not be the driver of governmental policies which should be more grounded in logic, precedent and LEGALITY (specifically with regard to the message it sends to those waiting for their legal working visas to be processed).

caustic 1 · 02-09-2015 10:37PM

Thousands have drowned but to see a child washed up on a beach like that is sickening and so very sad. I don't know the answer or how to fix it. It shouldn't be like this.

02-09-2015 10:37PM

petrolcan wrote: »

Hostile? Maybe.

Correct? Most definitely!

In what sense?

efb · 02-09-2015 10:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It takes years for their asylum to be decided on I thought?

only the more contentious ones (Nigeria etc) I assume a unilateral EU agreement would fast track Syrian war refugees etc

Royal Legend · 02-09-2015 10:39PM

i've seen the other photo that was referred to in the Guardian on-line, really sums it up.
question though,is it right to publish photos like that, is it for shock value or does it serve a purpose as a possible wake up call to the human suffering that is going on in the med at the moment

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 10:39PM

efb wrote: »

The dictators - like Gadaffi Pinochet even Hussain were fine when they worked with the west

Sure.

My name is URL · 02-09-2015 10:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think using emotions and sympathy to shape national policies is dangerous and short sighted.

Before agreeing to accept illegal migrants we should pause to consider:

lol.. you say that appealing to emotion is wrong and then go on to use a fallacy by using the word 'illegal' to describe the people.

If they were 'accepted' then how would they be illegal?

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 10:40PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Well if they haven't why is rent increasing by 25% over its nadir? It's also increased outside Dublin.

Rent is increasing because the demand is up. Demand is up because people are moving for jobs and cannot afford to or just won't buy in the current climate. It was only a year ago (I think) that I read an article stating that there were several ghost estates, some unfinished.

But I don't know. There might be places in Roscommon. They still need to get services etc so people's homes is a better solution.

Finish the estates, create some more employment, everyone wins!

DaveWalsh2020 · 02-09-2015 10:41PM

We should take them in with one year rolling visa s and agree subsidies from eu/Un.. Send out all our navy out there to help..

beks101 · 02-09-2015 10:41PM

It's a jarring, horrifying and deeply upsetting image that provokes strong emotions in anyone who sees it - most of us know young kids this age and in our wildest nightmares no young kid would ever be washed up on a beach like this, it's unspeakable.

But it's happening in countless numbers every day and with the Syrian winter on its way and the issue of uncontrolled migration deepening and no common refugee policy in Europe, the Mediterranean is going to become an even bigger graveyard to fleeing families, and children, and toddlers like this.

I think the whole of Europe and the EU is suffering from Not In My Backyard (NIMBY) syndrome and no amount of dead babies on beaches is going to change that any time soon. Happy enough to sympathize and be publicly appalled; not so happy when 3,000 refugees rock into our national port/train station seeking food and housing and the freedom and status that their home countries deprived them of. Look at Kos - riot police to tear gas them; Hungary - four-metre border walls and caging them like animals outside Keleti train station; Germany - arson attacks on refugee centres.

Widespread xenophobia from European politicians and even on this thread, as the tragedy of these individual media stories morphs into a potentially overwhelming number within spitting distance of our own borders.

And it's not really that surprising really. There are no measures - zilch, sweet FA - in place to help the few EU countries, not least the ever impoverished Greece, that are taking in the bulk of these refugees.

It's easy to be shocked and appalled and upset. Sadly I don't think this horrific image will have any political or practical impact whatsoever.

0byme75341jo28 · 02-09-2015 10:42PM

petrolcan wrote: »

Wow!

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The response I was going to post would earn me a permaban and I'd probably deserve it.

I assume it was personal in nature and had little to do with the issue at hand, which says a lot.

02-09-2015 10:42PM

DaveWalsh2020 wrote: »

We should take them in with one year rolling visa s and agree subsidies from eu/Un.. Send out all our navy out there to help..

That sounds like a good idea. If they are good citizens/behave then it keeps getting renewed.

Yurt2 · 02-09-2015 10:43PM

handlemaster wrote: »

The majority coming to the EU are syria, iraqis.

They largest groups claiming asylum in the EU are Kosovans and Ukrainians according to stats I've seen in the IT.

02-09-2015 10:44PM

Eliza Crooked Upstairs wrote: »

I assume it was personal in nature and had little to do with the issue at hand, which says a lot.

Some people can't take people having a difference of opinion, I don't understand why they bother coming on discussion forums. If you want to state something without someone disagreeing then go start a blog.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 10:45PM

Letree wrote: »

How many calling for more refugees/economic migrants are willing to offer a room, take a cut in your dole, cut in your wages or increase in PRSi, Tax, USC, accept larger class sizes, longer waiting lists for healthcare, more people on housing list etc.

I'm in the UK but yes, I'd be willing. I can't offer a room but they're more than welcome to pitch a tent in the garden and have a daily shower.

Are you happy to take in thousands from a religion that won't integrate, hasn't integrated in any meaningful way in any European country to date.

The UK has 2.7 Million, about 4.5% of the population. They're very integrated.

02-09-2015 10:46PM

petrolcan wrote: »

I'm in the UK but yes, I'd be willing. I can't offer a room but they're more than welcome to pitch a tent in the garden and have a daily shower.

The UK has 2.7 Million, about 4.5% of the population. They're very integrated.

That is your opinion but a lot would disagree with it.

KERSPLAT! · 02-09-2015 10:49PM

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johnty56 · 02-09-2015 10:49PM

I think that the photograph is terrible. Deeply shocking.

Am I the only one that feels angry at the parents though? They probably travelled from a safe haven such as Turkey. What right minded parent would put their children in such risk?

I have kids.. no way would I undertake that journey with them, I would put up with relative deprivations in another part of Syria, or Turkey and wait until things improved in Syria. Safety would be my paramount concern.

02-09-2015 10:51PM

petrolcan wrote: »

The UK has 2.7 Million, about 4.5% of the population. They're very integrated.

The native Christian people of Rotherham or Luton might beg to differ with you.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 10:52PM

Infini2 wrote: »

retards

It is quite possible that in all the text after the above word was a solution for world peace that would be acceptable to all but I'm afraid I stopped reading.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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