The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

Paully D · 31-08-2015 05:09PM

Would love to know how RGIII would have done if he hadn't done his knee in.

Billy86 · 31-08-2015 06:01PM

I think Giants, Eagles and Cowboys fans should be thanking Mike Shanahan about now - as much as RGIII played a large role himself, that reckless eejit had a huge part to play in destroying an extremely impressive rookie QB's career.

raze_them_all_ · 31-08-2015 06:28PM

Paully D wrote: »

Tyrod Taylor has won the Bills starting job. :cool:

UnitedIrishman called it perfect, picking between those 3 is like choosing which std you want

Son Of A Vidic · 31-08-2015 06:28PM

Paully D wrote: »

Would love to know how RGIII would have done if he hadn't done his knee in.

Paully, I think it would have been only a matter of time before he did a knee or something more serious anyway. The guy never seemed to have grasped the concept of running clever with the ball, when to slide, when get out of bounds and protect yourself ect. When a QB thinks he's a RB it will never end well. He's a liability and I wouldn't touch him with a barge poll.

Itssoeasy · 31-08-2015 06:45PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I think Giants, Eagles and Cowboys fans should be thanking Mike Shanahan about now - as much as RGIII played a large role himself, that reckless eejit had a huge part to play in destroying an extremely impressive rookie QB's career.

Why would any of those teams fans be happy that a head coach started the downfall of a young QB ?

raze_them_all_ · 31-08-2015 06:53PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Why would any of those teams fans be happy that a head coach started the downfall of a young QB ?

was he not linked to those teams at one stage?

Itssoeasy · 31-08-2015 06:55PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

was he not linked to those teams at one stage?

Don't know maybe. But I think it's sad for RGIII that it's all failing apart and hate to see any player lose a starting job.

poldebruin · 31-08-2015 08:08PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Paully, I think it would have been only a matter of time before he did a knee or something more serious anyway. The guy never seemed to have grasped the concept of running clever with the ball, when to slide, when get out of bounds and protect yourself ect. When a QB thinks he's a RB it will never end well. He's a liability and I wouldn't touch him with a barge poll.

I have been watching the NFL for 20 years and I don't remember ever seeing a player taking so many crumpling hits as RG3, the violence of them is almost cartoonish. Doug Flutie was tiny and ran the ball, but I don't remember ever seeing him take hits like RG3 does. Whether it's the body position he gets himself into, or the fact that his build is so slight, I'm not sure, but it was never going to last long in the NFL.

***Gahh - it's 30 years I've been watching***

Billy86 · 31-08-2015 08:13PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Why would any of those teams fans be happy that a head coach started the downfall of a young QB ?

Makes the division a whole lot easier, especially with all the Redskins invested in him to begin with.

Knex* · 31-08-2015 08:13PM

poldebruin wrote: »

I have been watching the NFL for 20 years and I don't remember ever seeing a player taking so many crumpling hits as RG3, the violence of them is almost cartoonish. Doug Flutie was tiny and ran the ball, but I don't remember ever seeing him take hits like RG3 does. Whether it's the body position he gets himself into, or the fact that his build is so slight, I'm not sure, but it was never going to last long in the NFL.

***Gahh - it's 30 years I've been watching***

Imagine a prime Lawrence Taylor facing him twice a year. He'd die.

I do think those hits explain why he's so jittery and almost blind in the pocket, nowadays.

Itssoeasy · 31-08-2015 08:27PM

poldebruin wrote: »

I have been watching the NFL for 20 years and I don't remember ever seeing a player taking so many crumpling hits as RG3, the violence of them is almost cartoonish. Doug Flutie was tiny and ran the ball, but I don't remember ever seeing him take hits like RG3 does. Whether it's the body position he gets himself into, or the fact that his build is so slight, I'm not sure, but it was never going to last long in the NFL.

***Gahh - it's 30 years I've been watching***

Well i think you have to take into account that the players playing the game are bigger and faster than they were in the past.

Itssoeasy · 31-08-2015 08:47PM

Just watched the play from the playoff game against seattle(thank you gamepass) and it was a really low snap and RGIII had to reach down to get it and then bent his leg badly.

poldebruin · 31-08-2015 09:24PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well i think you have to take into account that the players playing the game are bigger and faster than they were in the past.

It's definitely not that, as no one else currently in the NFL gets folded in two every time they are hit.

Bear in mind there were far more relaxed rules on late hits, hits to the head, going low, throwing players to the ground, anything and everything went. I can guarantee you that the NFL of the 70s and 80s was a far more violent place for QBs than the NFL today.

I'm not exaggerating to say that I don't think RG3 would make it out of a single game in the 80's NFL.

poldebruin · 31-08-2015 09:28PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Just watched the play from the playoff game against seattle(thank you gamepass) and it was a really low snap and RGIII had to reach down to get it and then bent his leg badly.

I remember watching it live and it looked absolutely awful, Joe Theismann-seque. Had it been a one-off, it would have been bad, but knowing he had damaged it badly a couple of weeks previously made it all the worse.

Paully D · 31-08-2015 10:48PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Paully, I think it would have been only a matter of time before he did a knee or something more serious anyway. The guy never seemed to have grasped the concept of running clever with the ball, when to slide, when get out of bounds and protect yourself ect. When a QB thinks he's a RB it will never end well. He's a liability and I wouldn't touch him with a barge poll.

Yeah, I agree. It was definitely going to happen eventually. I have to say I really liked watching him that first year, he was a breath of fresh air to me. His debut against the Saints, he was so explosive. But you're right, it was never going to be sustainable. Apparently he's absolutely hated in the locker room too.

But the Redskins aren't blameless in this either, they're a complete and utter shambles and Gruden is a joke. One head coach even said he thought Gruden was leaving him in to take a beating on purpose the other night!:

“I have never, ever, on any level, seen a head coach treat his quarterback with such a lack of respect,” the anonymous coach said.

The coach went on to explain how Washington’s offensive line was “in shambles” with starting left tackle Trent Williams sidelined and others playing poorly. Despite that, Gruden apparently felt that RG3 needed the reps.

“That Lions front, even without [Ndamukong] Suh, is pretty ferocious,” he said. “As a coach, you see your guys getting beat, and you see your quarterback especially take that first shot, every coach I know would have taken their quarterback out of the game.

“What is baffling is that I can’t think of a single head coach in the NFL who would take an injury-prone quarterback, put him behind a very shaky offensive line, in a preseason game, watch him take those kinds of hits and leave him in the game. It looks personal to me.”

Son Of A Vidic · 31-08-2015 11:10PM

poldebruin wrote: »

Bear in mind there were far more relaxed rules on late hits, hits to the head, going low, throwing players to the ground, anything and everything went. I can guarantee you that the NFL of the 70s and 80s was a far more violent place for QBs than the NFL today.

Well ain't that the truth. Just look at the legendary Bears defense of the mid-Eighties, everyone one of them would probably be banned for the season today. For making the kind of hits that were perfectly legitimate back then.

poldebruin wrote: »

I'm not exaggerating to say that I don't think RG3 would make it out of a single game in the 80's NFL.

I once saw RG3 drop his pads as he approached traffic and try to plough through as if he was a north-south power RB. I don't think he'd even last a quarter, if he tried that nonsense back in the Eighties.

Knex* · 01-09-2015 08:13AM

Akeem Ayers in the players tribune. Has some glowing words for the Pats Organistaion.

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/akeem-ayers-rams-super-bowl-patriots/

Knex* · 01-09-2015 08:15AM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Well ain't that the truth. Just look at the legendary Bears defense of the mid-Eighties, everyone one of them would probably be banned for the season today. For making the kind of hits that were perfectly legitimate back then.

I once saw RG3 drop his pads as he approached traffic and try to plough through as if he was a north-south power RB. I don't think he'd even last a quarter, if he tried that nonsense back in the Eighties.

There's probably a similar video for the Bears, but the first time I saw this one for the Giants, I constantly winced at the QB hits. Don't know how Montana is even alive, tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Q_vzk9Lbo

01-09-2015 08:20AM

Hits are pretty much the same now as then. the poor wuality video makes some of the old ones look worse as it looks more whiplashy(???? That's a word now) due to the poor frame rate. Look at the famous concrete Charlie hit or the shelf on brown hit on reggae bush in his rookie year.

You will always have monster hits in the nfl the only thing that's changed is its a bit harder for a defender to get it right as they have to be more careful where they hit and you have less life altering hits due to helmet to helmet concerns and conclusion protocol

BizzyC · 01-09-2015 09:40AM

Also when you look back, a lot the astroturf fields they used to play on was basically a carpet on top of concrete.
Having played on similar surfaces, getting knocked to the floor hurts a lot more.

01-09-2015 09:43AM

BizzyC wrote: »

Also when you look back, a lot the astroturf fields they used to play on was basically a carpet on top of concrete.
Having played on similar surfaces, getting knocked to the floor hurts a lot more.

the old veterans stadium in philly was a joke if you ever see players talk about it they mention the crowd being bad but there biggest issue always seems to be the surface apparently it was like a carpet but bits of it kept coming up (like the corners of a carpet can do) an it would occasionally trip someone

Paully D · 01-09-2015 10:25PM

This probably sums up RGIII really:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25286645/robert-griffin-iii-says-intern-liked-instagram-post-criticizing-redskins

Obviously no proof, but I'd imagine he liked the post in the heat of the moment and then thought "oops, shouldn't have done that". Then he decides to thrown an "intern" under the bus. This is the same guy who has made errors and shown awful judgement on social media previously.

No accountability at all. It wouldn't surprise me if that filters through to the locker room, where by all accounts he has completely lost the respect of his peers.

Knex* · 01-09-2015 10:35PM

Gonna see if I can dig up when an ex Redskins TE, who's now an analyst for their radio, destroyed RG3 after a game. Its actually fascinating.

Edit: Didn't take me long!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/

And the entire radio segment:

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=13491&f=3640943

Well worth a read/listen, tbh.

Itssoeasy · 01-09-2015 10:50PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

the old veterans stadium in philly was a joke if you ever see players talk about it they mention the crowd being bad but there biggest issue always seems to be the surface apparently it was like a carpet but bits of it kept coming up (like the corners of a carpet can do) an it would occasionally trip someone

I think it was the areas around the bases of the baseball diamond that were the problem nerd. Didn't Michael Irvin blow out his knee or knees at the vet ?

01-09-2015 11:02PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think it was the areas around the bases of the baseball diamond that were the problem nerd. Didn't Michael Irvin blow out his knee or knees at the vet ?

yaaaa and then eagels fans booed him and it turned out it was career ending

we dont like to speak about that

JaMarcusHustle · 01-09-2015 11:45PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

eagles fans..... we dont like to speak

Heh.

Billy86 · 01-09-2015 11:48PM

If the price is right (e.g. pretty low!), Houston or Buffalo would be fools to not put some heavy consideration into an RGIII trade. No matter what opinions might be on the guy, compare him to a moment to Matt Cassell, Brian Hoyer, Tyrod Taylor, EJ Manuel, Matt Simms (Phil must look at Eli and Peyton, then back at his two lads Matt and Chris with... such disappointment

), Ryan Mallet and Tom Savage.

MrKingsley · 02-09-2015 03:09PM

Billy86 wrote: »

If the price is right (e.g. pretty low!), Houston or Buffalo would be fools to not put some heavy consideration into an RGIII trade. No matter what opinions might be on the guy, compare him to a moment to Matt Cassell, Brian Hoyer, Tyrod Taylor, EJ Manuel, Matt Simms (Phil must look at Eli and Peyton, then back at his two lads Matt and Chris with... such disappointment ), Ryan Mallet and Tom Savage.

For Buffalo that would be a woeful decision in my opinion. Theyve just given Taylor the job and bringing in another QB would just add to the mess. Give him a season, or the majority of it, and if that doesnt work then its Manuels shot.

RGIII has shown nothing in the past 18 months that shows hes capable to run an offense better than any of those guys

02-09-2015 04:59PM

Billy86 wrote: »

If the price is right (e.g. pretty low!), Houston or Buffalo would be fools to not put some heavy consideration into an RGIII trade. No matter what opinions might be on the guy, compare him to a moment to Matt Cassell, Brian Hoyer, Tyrod Taylor, EJ Manuel, Matt Simms (Phil must look at Eli and Peyton, then back at his two lads Matt and Chris with... such disappointment ), Ryan Mallet and Tom Savage.

waste of time signing him for those franchises the only chance of rg3 reclaiming his career is to go to a successful franchise with a coach capable of putting him to the side for an offseason or a year and developing him. if he goes to browns or bills he retires young with a mediocre career

poldebruin · 02-09-2015 07:26PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

waste of time signing him for those franchises the only chance of rg3 reclaiming his career is to go to a successful franchise with a coach capable of putting him to the side for an offseason or a year and developing him. if he goes to browns or bills he retires young with a mediocre career

I agree, the best thing for him mow would be to go and sit on a roster and regain his confidence, his health, learn the position and just basically mature, build relationships.

I also agree with a previous poster about RG3's rookie year. He was an amazing natural talent and what he was able to do in games that year did look special - would it be worth stashing him on a roster and let him sit and learn for a few years? Too much of a distraction?

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