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CloughCasey1 · 21-08-2015 10:18PM

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Do you want the Truth or Lies? You tell me

Are you sure your not one of Larrys minnons??

Cassidy2 · 22-08-2015 12:36AM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Are you sure your not one of Larrys minnons??

Are you sure your not a ostrich.head in sand

ellewood · 24-08-2015 11:18AM

3.95 forR /U grade cows for this week quote started at 3.70 but no way would pay 4.00

restive · 24-08-2015 11:33AM

Any quotes for underage steers from Kepak?

simx · 24-08-2015 12:13PM

€4 on the grid over/underage steers Slaney meats

Cassidy2 · 24-08-2015 12:25PM

ellewood wrote: »

3.95 forR /U grade cows for this week quote started at 3.70 but no way would pay 4.00

That's a great price.where was that.

larrymiller · 24-08-2015 12:40PM

What would bbx heifers out of dairy cows kill out at? Say they way 630 mark.

Farmer Pudsey · 24-08-2015 01:49PM

larrymiller wrote: »

What would bbx heifers out of dairy cows kill out at? Say they way 630 mark.

It woul depend on level of finish and quality. They could grade from O+ to R+. Do not deal in heifers in general but I imagine they could from 310-340kgs.

ellewood · 24-08-2015 03:11PM

Cassidy2 wrote: »

That's a great price.where was that.

Dawn
Those prices were available last week too according to the dept price app

tellmeabit · 24-08-2015 03:18PM

anyone know what a CH bull over 36 months is worth? send to factory or mart??

thanks,

tellmeabit · 24-08-2015 03:19PM

anyone know what a CH bull over 36 months is worth? send to factory or mart??
65-700 kg
thanks,

Cassidy2 · 24-08-2015 09:24PM

ellewood wrote: »

Dawn
Those prices were available last week too according to the dept price app

How many are you killing

tellmeabit · 24-08-2015 10:15PM

2, have a blind lad about 24 months too.

ellewood · 24-08-2015 10:43PM

Cassidy2 wrote: »

How many are you killing

2 this week ðŸ˜

tellmeabit · 24-08-2015 10:47PM

yep

ellewood · 25-08-2015 12:55AM

I can see why price is not too bad just dropped off me 2 cows and the place was fairly bare of cattle was down last week and could barley get a pen

darragh_haven · 25-08-2015 07:00AM

ellewood wrote: »

I can see why price is not too bad just dropped off me 2 cows and the place was fairly bare of cattle was down last week and could barley get a pen

They're dropping the price to get more cattle... hoping for panic selling.

Farmer Pudsey · 25-08-2015 07:21AM

ellewood wrote: »

I can see why price is not too bad just dropped off me 2 cows and the place was fairly bare of cattle was down last week and could barley get a pen

Cows are still Ok it is prime young beef they are dropping the price on. P/O grade bullocks are littlr better than similar grading cows as they have no QA

darragh_haven wrote: »

They're dropping the price to get more cattle... hoping for panic selling.

Lads that accepted that just because the processors said that prices are dropping and ran in with cattle have done themselves and the trade a disservice. We are killing no more now/week than in July/Aug when the price was 20-25c/kg better, If anything cattle are tighter. It will be interesting to see how long the processors can keep the panic in place.

Lads that presumed a low factory price would collapse the price of store fail to remember last year. Store remained relatively strong while we got a poor processor price.

I said · 25-08-2015 10:48AM

Stores are hard got this year less numbers at marts prices are holding for stores.
There is no justification for dropping factory prices at the mo only to stick more money in there arse pocket at our expense

AP2014 · 25-08-2015 11:40AM

I said wrote: »

Stores are hard got this year less numbers at marts prices are holding for stores.
There is no justification for dropping factory prices at the mo only to stick more money in there arse pocket at our expense

Looks good for stores at the moment. Hopefully holds until year end.

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/cattle-marts-improved-trade-with-tullamore-cattle-up-e50-60head/

Farmer Pudsey · 25-08-2015 12:40PM

The lads that were running around with the bad news a few weeks ago have done a disservice to those finishing cattle. Those of us that finish have a responsibility to extract the maximum out of the market rather than looking to cheap store's as the answer. British prices are over 1/kg ( and maybe 1.3/kg) ahead of Irish prices. Over 50% of our beef goes there at present with cattle numbers in the country we should be looking at a base over 4.5/kg rather than talking it down to 4/kg.

Agents are looking for cattle and are slow to let them behind them. IMO there will be very little cattle bought at 4/kg this week. The way to go with plain cattle is to flat price them.

Willfarman · 25-08-2015 09:55PM

Fianna Fáil used to accuse the realists of bringing down the economy by talking it down!

Facts are facts.

Farmer Pudsey · 25-08-2015 11:02PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Fianna Fáil used to accuse the realists of bringing down the economy by talking it down!

Facts are facts.

Facts are facts as well that it always happens the same way. Local agent rings a few regular finishers. Price down next week. Lads dump in there cattle then spread the word. It a form of insider trading that is illegal in any other trading sector.

At the same time all processors pull prices by 5, 10c/kg or what ever they decide. The simple fact is it would not be as easy to organize with out the willing accomplices. This year with the way cattle numbers are structured it should not have happened and would not without the processors being organized and the willing accomplices hoping to collapse the store price. The answer to finishers margins has always been too expensive stores.

So we have three sets of characters, processors, there agents and a cabal of finishers who collude to collapse the markets. The weekly kill is no higher than July when the price was 4.25/kg. So why are we taking less collusion.

The facts have nothing to do with Fianna Fail or realists it has to do with collusion between cabal trying to control the market. At present agents are running around trying to mop up last of the cheap cattle, killing them withing 1-2 days of doing the deal trying to get to the weekend to get a breather of a few days. The talk already is that prices will strengthen in late September this is a far cry from mid/late November.

Maybe if some of those lads could add 2+2 they have seen the kill could not be maintained and there was no glut to rise the weekly kill. We are heading for 3K behind last years kill. Processors are struggling to maintain a 29K/week kill which they seem to need to fill contracts.

So lets not be trying to equate Fianna Fail and realists with what really happens to be collusion by this cabal. In another time they were referred to as Gombeen Men

Willfarman · 26-08-2015 08:11AM

The processers are a shower of fuppers yes they are. But as you know, when the price gets a pull they all pull together. Larry ensures the smaller processers pull in unison or he goes after their contracts.

It's well above the agents. The week and the price doesn't matter a fup to them. Commission stays the same. And that's all they they ever chase.

And I hasten to add that you don't have to go back many pages on this to see that you have no qualms about buying stores below their value. Mind yo don't fall from yor high horse.

Cassidy2 · 26-08-2015 08:52AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Facts are facts as well that it always happens the same way. Local agent rings a few regular finishers. Price down next week. Lads dump in there cattle then spread the word. It a form of insider trading that is illegal in any other trading sector.

At the same time all processors pull prices by 5, 10c/kg or what ever they decide. The simple fact is it would not be as easy to organize with out the willing accomplices. This year with the way cattle numbers are structured it should not have happened and would not without the processors being organized and the willing accomplices hoping to collapse the store price. The answer to finishers margins has always been too expensive stores.

So we have three sets of characters, processors, there agents and a cabal of finishers who collude to collapse the markets. The weekly kill is no higher than July when the price was 4.25/kg. So why are we taking less collusion.

The facts have nothing to do with Fianna Fail or realists it has to do with collusion between cabal trying to control the market. At present agents are running around trying to mop up last of the cheap cattle, killing them withing 1-2 days of doing the deal trying to get to the weekend to get a breather of a few days. The talk already is that prices will strengthen in late September this is a far cry from mid/late November.

Maybe if some of those lads could add 2+2 they have seen the kill could not be maintained and there was no glut to rise the weekly kill. We are heading for 3K behind last years kill. Processors are struggling to maintain a 29K/week kill which they seem to need to fill contracts.

So lets not be trying to equate Fianna Fail and realists with what really happens to be collusion by this cabal. In another time they were referred to as Gombeen Men

We export 90 % of our beef.the world consumption of beef is going Down.Fact is Fact.

Farmer Pudsey · 26-08-2015 09:51AM

Willfarman wrote: »

The processers are a shower of fuppers yes they are. But as you know, when the price gets a pull they all pull together. Larry ensures the smaller processers pull in unison or he goes after their contracts.

It's well above the agents. The week and the price doesn't matter a fup to them. Commission stays the same. And that's all they they ever chase.

And I hasten to add that you don't have to go back many pages on this to see that you have no qualms about buying stores below their value. Mind yo don't fall from yor high horse.

Yes it is well above the agents it starts but they make sure it works on the ground. In any average week it hard to get a price for next week until Friday 4pm, but when the pull starts it announced the week before.

If you look what I said about that Jex and the Fr bulls were not wanted early summer last year. We all know that the lads around the ring allows the lad that calls every few weeks to buy ceap cattle. I wonder what those bulls would have made if I had not been there. I knew they were value at the time but would have gone further on them if pushed. Owner could have taken them home and squeezed them and bought to the mart in 6-9 weeks time.

There are risks associated to squeezing heavier bulls. Some will not squeeze right (cord too strong), banding not an option until October due to maggots.

Cassidy2 wrote: »

We export 90 % of our beef.the world consumption of beef is going Down.Fact is Fact.

Yes 90% is exported but over 50% is to one of the highest beef price markets in the world. Beef consumption/head world wide is falling however overall beef consumption is rising due to more demand from China in particular. Facts.

Willfarman · 26-08-2015 10:02AM

If you hadn't been there someone else would have robbed him as opposed to you Pudsey!

CloughCasey1 · 26-08-2015 10:15AM

Lads ye are going around in circles here. Puds is right. Cas and Willf ye are also right. Puds is putting accross that processors are a fecking cartel which they are and that if right was right there would have been no pull a few weeks ago as numbers did not go up significantly. Two other lads are saying that this has been the way it has been and will be unless something is done about it and ye are stating that Puds is cracked to think any differently. Now can anyone come up with a solution to the problem instead of squabbling over different angles of the same argument. As for getting cattle at good value???? Thats good business and if every farmer thought like that in the ring and went after animals on weight and frame instead of whats on their card it might rise the price of any well framed animal no matter what colour or breed he/she is. I agree that the household demand for beef is falling a bit but world population is still rising so that should even things up.

tatoo · 26-08-2015 03:19PM

darragh_haven wrote: »

They're dropping the price to get more cattle... hoping for panic selling.

Yeah, an agent rang me out of the blue yesterday just to let me know that if I'd cattle near ready that the price would be below € 4 next week so now was the time to go.

Now, while it was awfully nice of him to think of me I can't help but believe that it was a bit of an orchestrated shake-dowm.

Farmer Pudsey · 26-08-2015 03:47PM

tatoo wrote: »

Yeah, an agent rang me out of the blue yesterday just to let me know that if I'd cattle near ready that the price would be below € 4 next week so now was the time to go.

Now, while it was awfully nice of him to think of me I can't help but believe that it was a bit of an orchestrated shake-dowm.

Was his surname Cassidy:P

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