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CloughCasey1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Was his surname Cassidy:P

Now thats comedy!!!!!! But possibly true.

Cassidy2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Now thats comedy!!!!!! But possibly true.

Is that the best you can cum up with.The truth is a killer.If the weather doesn't take up it will be back next week no matter what theories you cum up with

AP2014

What price do lads here reckon they will be October/November? Will they go back up to 4.40 or continue to hover around 4 like now?

CloughCasey1

AP2014 wrote: »

What price do lads here reckon they will be October/November? Will they go back up to 4.40 or continue to hover around 4 like now?

Ask Cassidy sure he has inside track

AP2014

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Ask Cassidy sure he has inside track

3.40 it is so!

restive

Just on met.ie very good forcast for next week. Heres to an indian summer.

mahoney_j

restive wrote: »

Just on met.ie very good forcast for next week. Heres to an indian summer.

Pop in and out here as I keep a few cattle as well the cows .cassidy you to me are a factory agent or have some deep connection with the factories or maby your Larry !!!!,apologies if your none of the afore mentioned .pudsey has been posting here a long time and to me is the shrewdest cattle man here as well as been a realist and having a good knowledge of how the factories work .olan as day to see at moment cattle are scarce and will be for next good few months .they will weed out soft sellers to keep things ticking over but this can only last so long .from what I gather it's been a while since the 30 k per week kill has been achieved .cattle men countrywide need to grow a pair and start screwing the factories over for a change instead of the other way around .hold tough play hardball and don't sell cheap cattle

Willfarman

I think this the rules of this thread should dictate that any quote should name the factory and the day. Misinformation and this hardened selling bull**** is of no use.
4.00 is buying all local steers today and this week in slaney ,Liffey meats Hacketstown.

Cassidy has been completely correct and truthful in every post so far and so I will brown nose him instead of some of the waffling commentators here given the choice!

Cassidy2

Willfarman wrote: »

I think this the rules of this thread should dictate that any quote should name the factory and the day. Misinformation and this hardened selling bull**** is of no use.
4.00 is buying all local steers today and this week in slaney ,Liffey meats Hacketstown.

Cassidy has been completely correct and truthful in every post so far and so I will brown nose him instead of some of the waffling commentators here given the choice!

I am very shocked at how much they have pulled the beef and cattle supposed to be scarce?.but don't be a soft seller and keep feeding and take a lesser price? That sounds like a good idea to me💵.

Hershall

Cassidy2 wrote: »

I am very shocked at how much they have pulled the beef and cattle supposed to be scarce?.but don't be a soft seller and keep feeding and take a lesser price? That sounds like a good idea to me💵.

The hard sellers that didn't take 4.30 must be pretty chuffed with themselves now.

Farmer Pudsey

Willfarman wrote: »

I think this the rules of this thread should dictate that any quote should name the factory and the day. Misinformation and this hardened selling bull**** is of no use.
4.00 is buying all local steers today and this week in slaney ,Liffey meats Hacketstown.

Cassidy has been completely correct and truthful in every post so far and so I will brown nose him instead of some of the waffling commentators here given the choice!

In general I would prefer not to declare where I get prices etc as I value my anonymity. Nobody is disagreeing that a lot cattle are moving at a base of 4-4.1/kg however agents are actively searching for cattle at present. Kill is stagnant at 29K and it is unlikely we will exceed 30K in next 2-3 weeks. They are mopping up March/April '13 cattle. However these will not last long. Some cattle are tied up by DA retention perion of 7 months. April bought cattle cannot be sold until November this ties up both 2013/14 cattle. It is nothing about soft selling or anything else I will repeat unless the CMS figures are wrong there are 50-80K less cattle to be killed between here and Christmass.

Now either the CMS is wrong or Larry the Magician goes Hocus Pocus and conjures up a few double's of HE bullocks or else the cattle kill will really tighten from the End of September on. It obivious from marts that lads around the ring believe it as well. One thing I noticed Monday in the mart was the absence of 2013 Fresians weighing 550+kgs. Usually there is a good few around this time of year. However I only saw one lot last Monday.

Called an agent this week just to test the market refused 3.95/kg for 10 Friesians. 4 were under age at a guess there wass 2ishP+'s, 4O- and 4O=, one might make O+. Maybe I am wrong but the calculator tells me the kill will have to nosedive. The good thing is the longer the kill stays up at 29K the sharper the nosedive. I hope it will be as steep as the dive of a Japanese Kamikaze pilot as they were heading for the deck of an US aircraft carrier .

The great thing about Friesians is they carry, carry, carry

Cassidy2 wrote: »

I am very shocked at how much they have pulled the beef and cattle supposed to be scarce?.but don't be a soft seller and keep feeding and take a lesser price? That sounds like a good idea to me💵.

You only take a lesser price if you sell. It is nothing about soft or hard selling it about profit. Good bullocks on good grass and 2-3kg of ration are putting on 0.6-0.8 kgs of flesh/day and that is Friesians. It costs me about 1.25 euro/day that is allowing over 70c/day for grass. Why sell and try to replace with stores that are costing 2/kg LW at present. When the base goes to 4.3/kg and it will and flat good friesians will make 4.2+/kg those type of cattle will make 90 more in the price rise and the bones of 150 more in weight that they put up in 8 weeks.

And we all konw that they will quote 3.95 next week, like we know that P cows are making 3.5/kg

Farmer Pudsey

Hershall wrote: »

The hard sellers that didn't take 4.30 must be pretty chuffed with themselves now.

It will be back sooner than you think was not available locally only for 2-3 day on last week before pull. 4.25 was best quote locally Mind you lots of lads that sold at 4.15 and 4.1 are sad around the ring trying to replace cattle.......and it may well get a lot worse for them.

Willfarman

If you can't name the factory and the day the quote has no credibility.

I wouldn't give 2 eur a day for friesians but good continental 400 kg plus cattle at 2.40 a kg will work fine.

Big friesians eat a lot of grass and were worth more a month minus a months thrive ago no matter what way you kept them. There will be no significant rise until mid October. I would prefer to have 3 stores in the place of 2 of them and putting up .9 of a kg per head per day with no meal..

Profit per hectare not per head remember.

mf240

In spring 2013 (30ish ) months ago there was queues outside the knackeries as 20 percent more cattle died than normal.

This has to help price.

Im not saying to hold if you have cattle fit or need money but i wouldnt panic sell either


The friendly agent that rings to say cattle are falling next week could have his own cattle sold since last week at a better price.

Cavanjack

I'll change the subject slightly here. What weight gain could one expect from 650kg steers this time of the year and for the next two months assuming weather improves.

Kovu

mf240 wrote: »

In spring 2013 (30ish ) months ago there was queues outside the knackeries as 20 percent more cattle died than normal.

This has to help price.

Could happen again next spring with the amount of ****e silage that was made on bad land. There's still some around here that have yet to do their first cut.

mf240

:DWillfarmer and pudsey.

Thats nothing, my dad can get 8 apples for 49cents in aldi:D:D

Willfarman

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

4.30/4.35. It will be hard to get much higher as they are reluctant with HE to really push the boat out as you get the HE bonus that brings up the price. He should make sure he will not get an age variation deduction on the CHX that is over 30 months. Local factory will hit you with a 20c/kg hit on such cattle unless you make sure it dose not apply. A 20c/kg hit on him would be equivlent 5c/kg on the HE combined and the FR as well and maybe more.

No point in getting a fancy base if you allow them to hit waht is likely the heavyist bullock there.

Quote Pudsey 23 07 15. Memory like Bertie's!

Farmer Pudsey

Willfarman wrote: »

It won't happen until mid November at the earliest.

Willfarman wrote: »

If you can't name the factory and the day the quote has no credibility.

I wouldn't give 2 eur a day for friesians but good continental 400 kg plus cattle at 2.40 a kg will work fine.

Big friesians eat a lot of grass and were worth more a month minus a months thrive ago no matter what way you kept them. There will be no significant rise until mid October. I would prefer to have 3 stores in the place of 2 of them and putting up .9 of a kg per head per day with no meal..

Profit per hectare not per head remember.

A month in 10ish days

White Clover

Lads. Will ye hold on 'til I get a beer :-D

adne

Is there any issues getting cattle with horns killed in factory

Willfarman

I got an angle grinder in aldi for 25 squid on Sunday and the apples and pears!

mf240

Willfarman wrote: »

I got an angle grinder in aldi for 25 squid on Sunday and the apples and pears!

Would ya not peel them with a knife!!!

mf240

adne wrote: »

Is there any issues getting cattle with horns killed in factory

No not an issue.

Willfarman

mf240 wrote: »

Would ya not peel them with a knife!!!

Jesus I tried to pass but I hadn't the strength. Picked it up, put it down, walked away and it was calling me..

Cassidy2

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

In general I would prefer not to declare where I get prices etc as I value my anonymity. Nobody is disagreeing that a lot cattle are moving at a base of 4-4.1/kg however agents are actively searching for cattle at present. Kill is stagnant at 29K and it is unlikely we will exceed 30K in next 2-3 weeks. They are mopping up March/April '13 cattle. However these will not last long. Some cattle are tied up by DA retention perion of 7 months. April bought cattle cannot be sold until November this ties up both 2013/14 cattle. It is nothing about soft selling or anything else I will repeat unless the CMS figures are wrong there are 50-80K less cattle to be killed between here and Christmass.

Now either the CMS is wrong or Larry the Magician goes Hocus Pocus and conjures up a few double's of HE bullocks or else the cattle kill will really tighten from the End of September on. It obivious from marts that lads around the ring believe it as well. One thing I noticed Monday in the mart was the absence of 2013 Fresians weighing 550+kgs. Usually there is a good few around this time of year. However I only saw one lot last Monday.

Called an agent this week just to test the market refused 3.95/kg for 10 Friesians. 4 were under age at a guess there wass 2ishP+'s, 4O- and 4O=, one might make O+. Maybe I am wrong but the calculator tells me the kill will have to nosedive. The good thing is the longer the kill stays up at 29K the sharper the nosedive. I hope it will be as steep as the dive of a Japanese Kamikaze pilot as they were heading for the deck of an US aircraft carrier .

The great thing about Friesians is they carry, carry, carry




You only take a lesser price if you sell. It is nothing about soft or hard selling it about profit. Good bullocks on good grass and 2-3kg of ration are putting on 0.6-0.8 kgs of flesh/day and that is Friesians. It costs me about 1.25 euro/day that is allowing over 70c/day for grass. Why sell and try to replace with stores that are costing 2/kg LW at present. When the base goes to 4.3/kg and it will and flat good friesians will make 4.2+/kg those type of cattle will make 90 more in the price rise and the bones of 150 more in weight that they put up in 8 weeks.

And we all konw that they will quote 3.95 next week, like we know that P cows are making 3.5/kg

You sell because your pocket is ready and the cattle.that is some spiel of sh1t

mf240

Willfarman wrote: »

Jesus I tried to pass but I hadn't the strength. Picked it up, put it down, walked away and it was calling me..

A yiu were right to get it . It might be dearer next week:pac:

Hershall

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

It will be back sooner than you think was not available locally only for 2-3 day on last week before pull. 4.25 was best quote locally Mind you lots of lads that sold at 4.15 and 4.1 are sad around the ring trying to replace cattle.......and it may well get a lot worse for them.

You're right stores are too dear and probably going to get dearer but it's beyond me why lads can't sell when factories want them yet fire them at them a few weeks later.I sold some at 4.25 and some at 4.05. Stores are costing 150 more than last year don't see much joy in them.

Farmer Pudsey

Cassidy2 wrote: »

You sell because your pocket is ready and the cattle.that is some spiel of sh1t

You see Cassidy you and Willfarmer run a different system to me and lots of lads here that are part time farmers. I cannot be in the mart every day to pick up cattle. My system revolves around maximizing profit from what I bought last autumn and buying the best value store I can this autumn. Previously I used to mix buying weanling's and year and a half stores but I have now moved to buying stores only.

Just because my system is different to your is not to mean that it is a spiel of sh!te. Lads that breed there own cattle also work on much the same system by maximizing value of the animals they sell.Lads that spend there time ar5eing around a ring do not like this system or these lads. When is an animal ready for slaughter,2+, 3-, 3+ 4=. In my case it is when he maximise's my profit and i have access to value stores neither of which I think is present at the moment. So my pocket can wait.

Cassidy2

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You see Cassidy you and Willfarmer run a different system to me and lots of lads here that are part time farmers. I cannot be in the mart every day to pick up cattle. My system revolves around maximizing profit from what I bought last autumn and buying the best value store I can this autumn. Previously I used to mix buying weanling's and year and a half stores but I have now moved to buying stores only.

Just because my system is different to your is not to mean that it is a spiel of sh!te. Lads that breed there own cattle also work on much the same system by maximizing value of the animals they sell.Lads that spend there time ar5eing around a ring do not like this system or these lads. When is an animal ready for slaughter,2+, 3-, 3+ 4=. In my case it is when he maximise's my profit and i have access to value stores neither of which I think is present at the moment. So my pocket can wait.

You are farming with money not for money.Goodnight