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Farmer Pudsey

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

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What he said is he never kills bullock as there conversion rate is too poor. So in that case it is bulls and heifers he finishes. If it is bulls he is more than likely one of the lads waiting for the store price to collapse to buy. It has not happened yet.

This is the real target by the processors finishers will not fill sheds unless either stores are very cheap or they get a guaranteed contract price that will leave them a margin... or both.

Willfarman

I have read and re read his posts and I cannot see what he said or did to rise such an attacking.

CloughCasey1

Willfarman wrote: »

I have read and re read his posts and I cannot see what he said or did to rise such an attacking.

I'm not attacking the man but all he goes on about is prices and when is asked to share with us what his system is he goes missing.

Willfarman

It a price tracker thread though lad! Not a what system have you thread. His quotes and analogy have been totally accurate so far albeit not the news we want to hear!!

CloughCasey1

Willfarman wrote: »

It a price tracker thread though lad! Not a what system have you thread. His quotes and analogy have been totally accurate so far albeit not the news we want to hear!!

Tis indeed! But it's all linked. Quotes are 100% correct and price doesn't bother me too much as I'd only finish a few bulls u16mts each yr. I just don't like the fact that he seems to take joy in spreading Larrys gospel. You have the same views as him but you go about it a different way.

Willfarman

ah I'm a master debater! Pun intended! I'll take the compliment though thanks!!

Cassidy2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Tis indeed! But it's all linked. Quotes are 100% correct and price doesn't bother me too much as I'd only finish a few bulls u16mts each yr. I just don't like the fact that he seems to take joy in spreading Larrys gospel. You have the same views as him but you go about it a different way.

You will be the last to hear about my system.the Larry derogatory are becoming at little last week.if you know what I mean 😉.I haven't got a cheque of Larry in years.

CloughCasey1

Cassidy2 wrote: »

You will be the last to hear about my system.the Larry derogatory are becoming at little last week.if you know what I mean 😉.I haven't got a cheque of Larry in years.

Fair nuf!! Can't get blood from a stone.

darragh_haven

€4.08/kg for a double bullocks sent away this evening. Had to send awsy as ground it cutting up here, and have a lot of replacements bought. Will have nothing to ready for at least a month.

My dad checked the book from last year, and we sent 15 bullocks away this time last year at €3.60

CloughCasey1

darragh_haven wrote: »

€4.08/kg for a double bullocks sent away this evening. Had to send awsy as ground it cutting up here, and have a lot of replacements bought. Will have nothing to ready for at least a month.

My dad checked the book from last year, and we sent 15 bullocks away this time last year at €3.60

Big change in 12 mts. ye happy with the base price of 4.08? Were they all fit to go?

darragh_haven

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Big change in 12 mts. ye happy with the base price of 4.08? Were they all fit to go?

Acceptable only. Wouldn't have sent a double at €4, All were fit bar 2, and those 2 were within 10 days of going overage and still close to being properly finished.

MfMan

Lucky to get 4.08 methinks. Would you have gotten it only for you had a double?

CloughCasey1

darragh_haven wrote: »

Acceptable only. Wouldn't have sent a double at €4, All were fit bar 2, and those 2 were within 10 days of going overage and still close to being properly finished.

No point in holding those two and sending over age and in a smaller load. Did ye have to push hard for the 8c?

darragh_haven

MfMan wrote: »

Lucky to get 4.08 methinks. Would you have gotten it only for you had a double?

No, Wouldn't have got €4.08 only for a double. Would have got €4.05 tho.

darragh_haven

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

No point in holding those two and sending over age and in a smaller load. Did ye have to push hard for the 8c?

True about the 2. There was a lot of back and forth to get that price. Very hard got.

tanko

darragh_haven wrote: »

No, Wouldn't have got €4.08 only for a double. Would have got €4.05 tho.

Excuse my ignorance, but can you say how many cattle are in a double?

darragh_haven

tanko wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance, but can you say how many cattle are in a double?

30

patsy_mccabe

Got €3.75 for 10 year old cow last week. Killed out at 373Kg and O+4+, so came into €1400 before deductions. Thought she would grade R and surprised she was 4+ on fat. I normally sell in the mart, by the way.


Post Edit - By deductions I mean the final ones like IFA etc, not grid deductions.

Farmer Pudsey

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Got €3.75 for 10 year old cow last week. Killed out at 373Kg and O+4+, so came into €1400 before deductions. Thought she would grade R and surprised she was 4+ on fat. I normally sell in the mart, by the way.

Finished P+ bullocks off the the advertised base of 4/kg would only make 3.7/kg and O- would make 3.76. If they were fat score 4= or 4+ they would be deducted another 6 and 12c/kg respectively and another 10-20c/kg if FS5. An O+ FS 5 bullock would be back to below that nearly depending on deduction for FS5. this just shows the messing that is going on.

westlander

Whats the difference between a flat price & a base price again?

It seems its always the base price that is quoted/given when we speak of the price per kg why is that?

(Not used of factory dealings)

Farmer Pudsey

westlander wrote: »

Whats the difference between a flat price & a base price again?

It seems its always the base price that is quoted/given when we speak of the price per kg why is that?

(Not used of factory dealings)

A flat price is when you get a flat price across all your cattle regardless of age, grade or fat score.

Below is a copy of it
https://www.slaneyfarmers.com/qps-grid

Majority of Irish cattle are O/P cattle from the dairy heard so as you can see from the grid these cattle are dropped faster than suckler cattle are risen on the grid. On top of that when an animal slips into FS4= they are penalized again. The 12c QA bonus is only paid on cattle within the shaded Area

Willfarman

Flat pricing is nigh on impossible to get from the larger processors unless dealing in doubles. You will get flat on cows to grade. Ie price for p ando r u regardless of fat score.
Smaller abattoirs will deal flat after viewing the cattle

after sending a good few plain cattle both ways I conclude that they fair out as good on the grid. Swings and roundabouts. Also note that these smaller places can be notoriously slow with the cheque,

Farmer Pudsey

Willfarman wrote: »

Flat pricing is nigh on impossible to get from the larger processors unless dealing in doubles. You will get flat on cows to grade. Ie price for p ando r u regardless of fat score.
Smaller abattoirs will deal flat after viewing the cattle

after sending a good few plain cattle both ways I conclude that they fair out as good on the grid. Swings and roundabouts. Also note that these smaller places can be notoriously slow with the cheque,

This is a huge issue with smaller abattoir type processors and butchers. You can be waiting 10 days plus to get paid with the attendant risk. IMO you would want a good price over the normal to carry that risk. However Kildare quotes flat and on the grid across grades locally. But cattle have to travel the night before generally if using the agents delivery trucks. This costs you 1-2% body weight.

westlander

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

A flat price is when you get a flat price across all your cattle regardless of age, grade or fat score.

Below is a copy of it
https://www.slaneyfarmers.com/qps-grid

Majority of Irish cattle are O/P cattle from the dairy heard so as you can see from the grid these cattle are dropped faster than suckler cattle are risen on the grid. On top of that when an animal slips into FS4= they are penalized again. The 12c QA bonus is only paid on cattle within the shaded Area

Thanks Pudsy. I was onto one of the smaller abattoirs yesterday. 4 euro per kg for steers only if they are under 420kgs!
Are these limits a load of cack!

Willfarman

westlander wrote: »

Thanks Pudsy. I was onto one of the smaller abattoirs yesterday. 4 euro per kg for steers only if they are under 420kgs!
Are these limits a load of cack!

What kind of cattle are they?

westlander

Willfarman wrote: »

What kind of cattle are they?

Charolais/Limo crosses Will all under the 30 months. Majority would be above 420kgs.

Willfarman

westlander wrote: »

Charolais/Limo crosses Will all under the 30 months. Majority would be above 420kgs.

Sound like good cattle! Are you QA?

simx

Any quotes for next week lads?

westlander

Willfarman wrote: »

Sound like good cattle! Are you QA?

Yes QA scheme only joined up recently

Willfarman

westlander wrote: »

Yes QA scheme only joined up recently

That's worth another .12 cent. And theres a chance they could gade better than R =. Ie r+ or better. They be better someplace on the grid if you could get 4.00 base.