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FPL Team Value 2015/2016
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19-08-2015 11:08am#1
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How we looking post gw3 wildcard?
Totl 101.4
Resale 100.6
Gomis and Mahrez close tonight.
I'm pretty happy with that seeing as i messed up getting Yayas 0.2 when wildcarding.
I saw someone, probably Swiper
, saying their resale was 99.7.
This is the value of the early wildcard for me. Almost 1m resale is a huge difference this early on.0 -
How we looking post gw3 wildcard?
Totl 101.4
Resale 100.6
Gomis and Mahrez close tonight.
I'm pretty happy with that seeing as i messed up getting Yayas 0.2 when wildcarding.
I saw someone, probably Swiper, saying their resale was 99.7.
This is the value of the early wildcard for me. Almost 1m resale is a huge difference this early on.
A GW3 WC was pretty good for price alright. My resale is 100.4 though with no WC. If you're prepared to take the odd -4 you can keep your TV high and keep the WC.
I've not seem prices drop this quickly and for so many players that were supposed to be semi safe before though.
If you let it the TV could really start to affect your choices of player (which would be foolish I think)
Does anyone think that we could see a return to the TV of a few seasons ago when it was normal enough to have an extra 3m upwards built up ?0 -
I saw someone, probably Swiper, saying their resale was 99.7.
This is the value of the early wildcard for me. Almost 1m resale is a huge difference this early on.
I've got 99.8m resale. Not really worried about it, more people in my team rising now than falling. Only Hazard, Kane, and Sakho could leak value if they keep failing0 -
How we looking post gw3 wildcard?
Totl 101.4
Resale 100.6
Gomis and Mahrez close tonight.
I'm pretty happy with that seeing as i messed up getting Yayas 0.2 when wildcarding.
I saw someone, probably Swiper, saying their resale was 99.7.
This is the value of the early wildcard for me. Almost 1m resale is a huge difference this early on.
Total Value 101.7
Resale 100.7
But I'm not a big fan keeping track of it tbh. I'll make sure I maximise a WC's potential and amn't a fan of holding onto fallers but as for the values themselves.... I try not to care, I think it can force people to hold onto players for too long.0 -
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ESSAY ALERT.......
I've not been playing this game that long but I've always liked, and been good at playing the prices changes, and I believe I have learned to do it not at a cost to my team performance points wise, and there are a couple of things I note from some of the responses above.
1. "There are far more price drops than last year"
Despite perceptions this season is shaping up very like last season in terms of there being a lot more price drops than falls. People have short memories. 2 years ago there were massive price rises, and it was possible to build up 112, 113m TV for Jan/Feb.
Last year there were less rapid rises and a far higher proportion of falls, I was tracking it in the equivalent thread last year around the end of Sept.
At 30/9/14 there had been 556 price drops and only 96 rises. Ratio Fall/Rise = 5.8/1
This year to today there have been 249 falls and 40 rises. Ratio Fall/Rise = 6.2/1
It is a fact then that there is very little difference in the rates of falls vs rises so far.
What I do notice this year is that the second rise is harder gotten, and I reckon a 0.3 rise in the GW will be rare. My gut so far is that falls are pretty much as last year, but rises will be slightly less.
2 "You wont be able to build up a 2-3m advantage so there is no point"
With rises curtailed and drops more prevalent than 2 seasons ago, yes, you wont be able to hit 113 or 114m 'gross' come Jan. But its all relative. If you have 108 and the average punter in your league has 105 its still a big advantage. Last season at 31/12 I had 108.5TV (Resale 105.3), a resale around 1m higher than most of the world class players on here, and well well above the average. FFFix quotes that the average Total Value at that time was 101.2m!! While even the top 1,000 was only 105.7m. So my TV was almost 3m above the top 1,000 in the game and the better values around here were 2-2.5m above. At the moment I'd bet that the average resale value is less than 100m.
This is not an ode to how great my value was, and not everyone will want to or agree that its worth playing with a significant eye on value up till Xmas, and thats fine. This is how I play the game, how I like to play it, not everyones cup of tea. But the above is to disprove those who write off that way of playing the game as pointless as there is no advantage to be gained. People writing off, or making out its somehow silly to look after your value (with no actual facts and figures to back it up, just stating it blankly that its pointless simply because that's not how they play the game) irks me a little. Hence I am putting the figures above on the record.
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On general points, I acknowledge that the emergence of in particular, actually pretty much solely, Kane last year as a 5m odd captain option who everyone owned, reduced the advantage of the higher TV. But there are always times when having an extra 2m over your rival will be huge in closing out the season.
This year, as is pretty evident, the pricing of most of the major premium assets is very tight. As I've pointed out elsewhere, you could have had Silva, Hazard, Aguero and Sanchez for 4m less last season. These are still player we as seeking after, and while the likes of Pedro at 9.5 or Yaya at a good value price help, I think it is fair to say that currently the ideal 4 or 5 big hitter simply cannot be accommodated into a squad. If this continues to be the case, i.e. these remain the big hitter and no aberration like Kane appears, then this could be a year where TV is very very important indeed.....but then I would say that as a TV nerd!!
Finally, if you do play with a big eye on TV then, yes, as some mentioned above you do need to avoid making decisions that are disastrous for your points returns just to chase prices. Especially with prices harder to chase. But how I look at it is I will always avoid value sucking fallers, especially those who I won't want long term. I wont get a player in who I think is crap just for price rises, but invariably the player rising is in a run of form, short term at least, and if you can tell your Diers from your Mahrezs you cant go to far wrong, as long as you are flexible and know when to get rid.
The top line Total Value means nothing, its resale that counts, and if you remember that you'll never keep a player you want rid of cause you've value tied up in them. This is something I can safely say I never do. Sure, you'll want to be sure you do want rid, and wont want back in 2 weeks, before you sell somebody who has risen a million, but if they need to go then the 0.5 'tax' was never yours in the first place.
Thats just some thoughts to (a) get off my chest and (b) which may be helpful and (c) you may totally disagree with, and if you do I (in the nicest possible way) don't care in the slightest.
The Mass has ended, you may go in peace......0 -
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Excellent post.ESSAY ALERT.......
I've not been playing this game that long but I've always liked, and been good at playing the prices changes, and I believe I have learned to do it not at a cost to my team performance points wise, and there are a couple of things I note from some of the responses above.
1. "There are far more price drops than last year"
Despite perceptions this season is shaping up very like last season in terms of there being a lot more price drops than falls. People have short memories. 2 years ago there were massive price rises, and it was possible to build up 112, 113m TV for Jan/Feb.
Last year there were less rapid rises and a far higher proportion of falls, I was tracking it in the equivalent thread last year around the end of Sept.
At 30/9/14 there had been 556 price drops and only 96 rises. Ratio Fall/Rise = 5.8/1
This year to today there have been 249 falls and 40 rises. Ratio Fall/Rise = 6.2/1
It is a fact then that there is very little difference in the rates of falls vs rises so far.
What I do notice this year is that the second rise is harder gotten, and I reckon a 0.3 rise in the GW will be rare. My gut so far is that falls are pretty much as last year, but rises will be slightly less.
2 "You wont be able to build up a 2-3m advantage so there is no point"
With rises curtailed and drops more prevalent than 2 seasons ago, yes, you wont be able to hit 113 or 114m 'gross' come Jan. But its all relative. If you have 108 and the average punter in your league has 105 its still a big advantage. Last season at 31/12 I had 108.5TV (Resale 105.3), a resale around 1m higher than most of the world class players on here, and well well above the average. FFFix quotes that the average Total Value at that time was 101.2m!! While even the top 1,000 was only 105.7m. So my TV was almost 3m above the top 1,000 in the game and the better values around here were 2-2.5m above. At the moment I'd bet that the average resale value is less than 100m.
This is not an ode to how great my value was, and not everyone will want to or agree that its worth playing with a significant eye on value up till Xmas, and thats fine. This is how I play the game, how I like to play it, not everyones cup of tea. But the above is to disprove those who write off that way of playing the game as pointless as there is no advantage to be gained. People writing off, or making out its somehow silly to look after your value (with no actual facts and figures to back it up, just stating it blankly that its pointless simply because that's not how they play the game) irks me a little. Hence I am putting the figures above on the record.
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On general points, I acknowledge that the emergence of in particular, actually pretty much solely, Kane last year as a 5m odd captain option who everyone owned, reduced the advantage of the higher TV. But there are always times when having an extra 2m over your rival will be huge in closing out the season.
This year, as is pretty evident, the pricing of most of the major premium assets is very tight. As I've pointed out elsewhere, you could have had Silva, Hazard, Aguero and Sanchez for 4m less last season. These are still player we as seeking after, and while the likes of Pedro at 9.5 or Yaya at a good value price help, I think it is fair to say that currently the ideal 4 or 5 big hitter simply cannot be accommodated into a squad. If this continues to be the case, i.e. these remain the big hitter and no aberration like Kane appears, then this could be a year where TV is very very important indeed.....but then I would say that as a TV nerd!!
Finally, if you do play with a big eye on TV then, yes, as some mentioned above you do need to avoid making decisions that are disastrous for your points returns just to chase prices. Especially with prices harder to chase. But how I look at it is I will always avoid value sucking fallers, especially those who I won't want long term. I wont get a player in who I think is crap just for price rises, but invariably the player rising is in a run of form, short term at least, and if you can tell your Diers from your Mahrezs you cant go to far wrong, as long as you are flexible and know when to get rid.
The top line Total Value means nothing, its resale that counts, and if you remember that you'll never keep a player you want rid of cause you've value tied up in them. This is something I can safely say I never do. Sure, you'll want to be sure you do want rid, and wont want back in 2 weeks, before you sell somebody who has risen a million, but if they need to go then the 0.5 'tax' was never yours in the first place.
Thats just some thoughts to (a) get off my chest and (b) which may be helpful and (c) you may totally disagree with, and if you do I (in the nicest possible way) don't care in the slightest.
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Not sure this is "real". Don't forget we only have 2 price changes GWs data so far (we're starting the third), one of them being a HUGE WC week. So of course £0.2m rises were very hard to reach.What I do notice this year is that the second rise is harder gotten, and I reckon a 0.3 rise in the GW will be rare. My gut so far is that falls are pretty much as last year, but rises will be slightly less.
But there seems to be less active WCs this week (maybe with the international break approaching some people are holding on 'till then, I know I am
) and Mahrez already rose twice.
The tied up value in premium players is always a problem though. Not only there is the value alone that may impede you to get the player back but there's the potentially wasted 2 (or more if you can't do the straight swap because of the lost tied up value) transfers (and the more the season goes the more precious tranfers become).The top line Total Value means nothing, its resale that counts, and if you remember that you'll never keep a player you want rid of cause you've value tied up in them. This is something I can safely say I never do. Sure, you'll want to be sure you do want rid, and wont want back in 2 weeks, before you sell somebody who has risen a million, but if they need to go then the 0.5 'tax' was never yours in the first place.
So, late in the season, we are sometimes reluctant to get rid of premium players in which we have £0.5m or more resale value tied in. Not that I want to brag about myself but I remember that last year I was of the only ones who sold Sanchez when he got injured. There were talks about a month. Others about just a couple of games. Anyway, I was not having a great season (so maybe that played its part too) and decided to try getting rid of him (with a plan to get him back without any price drops) to untie all this value. He came back very quickly and all my masterplan looked like flogging a dead horse at best and 2 transfers wasted at worse. But, eventually, when came the late DGWs, my (at least) £0.5m flexibility towards him allowed me to take better advantage of them than many.
There's no right or wrong way to deal with it. As my own example shows, what looks wrong in the first place can become right several GWs later. I'd just say that the more flexible you can be with your team the better.0 -
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I think you missed his points.How have you actually done that? Without knowing your history, all you've proved is that it's possible to have a very high team value. How were you placed points-wise? And if you hadn't chased team value and took points hits to do this where might you have been placed instead?
Bizarre that you think you've silenced the nay-sayers with absolutely no facts other than how good you are at increasing value.
He said it's possible to increase your resale team value by £2-3m (actually it's possible to raise it a lot more even with the current system e.g. up to £5-6m by January
) without damaging your points total.
Of course, playing that way, you can't know how you'd scored playing a different way (unless you deliberately monitor it with a second team, which is officially forbidden) but what you do know is how well you're doing. FHFC reached the top 100 OR last year so it's pretty safe to say his team-value approach is not affecting his points total.
Anyway, what is a "nay-sayers"? I mean nay to what?0 -
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Right. I guess it's a misunderstanding thenAll I'm saying is I read his post and it came across as 1. Of course team value matters. 2. I play the game to increase team value. 3. So you're wrong.
There was nothing in it alone to show this was the correct way to prioritise things..
Think his point was I increased my resale value by £6-7m by January (FHFC was being very modest with £2-3m) and still managed a comfy top 5k OR, then, you guys who claim it's silly to look after your team value are wrong. It doesn't mean it's the only way to perform though.
He didn't. Just reached it. The loser couldn't handle the pressure :pac:...I had no idea he finished top 100, that speaks for itself.fwiw, I agree with almost all FHFC says, I just don't think he backed up his assertions well.
I can give a few of mines. I played my Jan WC during GW23 last year. My resale value was around £105m then. I notably cashed in importantly on Diego Costa & Austin (both players I didn't get back though I should for the latter for his DGW...). A little less on Hart & Wisdom (both were out for definite too). Silva was a different story. He's been in and out several times.
My OR was about 20-30k. So it is indeed possible to get a decent OR while increasing your tV with reason :cool:.
I finished the season at ~9k.
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How have you actually done that? Without knowing your history, all you've proved is that it's possible to have a very high team value. How were you placed points-wise? And if you hadn't chased team value and took points hits to do this where might you have been placed instead?
Bizarre that you think you've silenced the nay-sayers with absolutely no facts other than how good you are at increasing value.
I didnt want to seem to boast about ranking but I take the point re its relevance to the topic. In the pre christmas '14 period when I was building up my TV below are my OR from GW10-20 for illustration that it dint adversely affect my rank.
GW Total TV OR
Gameweek 10 £105.2m 4,066
Gameweek 11 £105.5m 2,841
Gameweek 12 £106.2m 2,463
Gameweek 13 £106.2m 4,306
Gameweek 14 £106.3m 5,243
Gameweek 15 £106.4m 2,018
Gameweek 16 £106.6m 343
Gameweek 17 £107.4m 609
Gameweek 18 £107.5m 1,028
Gameweek 19 £107.6m 749
Gameweek 20 £108.0m 745
I then screwed up my Jan wildcard, fell 20k before clawing back to a 5k finish. The year before I finished 8k overall in my first ever year playing.
I took 17 hits last year (-68) points but very few of them primarily motivated by value. I believe in taking points hits where needed and most paid off over the medium term IMO. Took some stupids ones - on one ocasion I brought Ballotelli in for -4 and captained him!!
Not sure this is "real". Don't forget we only have 2 price changes GWs data so far (we're starting the third), one of them being a HUGE WC week. So of course £0.2m rises were very hard to reach.
But there seems to be less active WCs this week (maybe with the international break approaching some people are holding on 'till then, I know I am) and Mahrez already rose twice.
I was thinking about that part of my post afterwards and I think you are spot on. The high amount of wildcards in play due to the low scoring start to the season may be why the second rises are slower coming.The tied up value in premium players is always a problem though. Not only there is the value alone that may impede you to get the player back but there's the potentially wasted 2 (or more if you can't do the straight swap because of the lost tied up value) transfers (and the more the season goes the more precious tranfers become).
So, late in the season, we are sometimes reluctant to get rid of premium players in which we have £0.5m or more resale value tied in.
This is always going to happen when a player not highly owned early on, like Sanchez last year, becomes a long term keeper and rises steadily. Its not really anything to do with whether you chase value or not. In fact, as I alluded to in my OP the fact that my resale value was high allowed me to sell Sanchez around the time you did, in confidence that I could afford to buy him back even for 0.3 or 0.4 more.All I'm saying is I read his post and it came across as 1. Of course team value matters. 2. I play the game to increase team value. 3. So you're wrong.
There was nothing in it alone to show this was the correct way to prioritise things.
Maybe read this part again then.. "not everyone will want to or agree that its worth playing with a significant eye on value up till Xmas, and thats fine. This is how I play the game, how I like to play it, not everyones cup of tea." I am genuinely not preaching to anyone how to play the game, focusing on value as well as points is time consuming and tedious in many ways.
What I am saying is that people who say (a) its not possible to build up a much higher team value than others due to the recent price change trends and (b) its pointless to do so any way as there no major advantage in it - are wrong and I do stand over that. The figures I posted I think demonstrate that factually. Various throw away comments that come into every discussion about team value or price changes to this effect have bugged me kately and I want to put it out there and back it up that I disagree with this (ie, the statements at (a) and (b), not whether somebody decides to chase value or not)0 -
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