When do you think somebody is homophobic?

darkpagandeath · 24-08-2015 11:03PM

rubadub wrote: »

It was ironic that many were prejudiced in thinking that anybody voting no was homophobic. I would have preferred if the referendum had gone back to square one and asked if any marriage should be recognised by the state at all.

I do not think people in childless marriages should be afforded the same financial benefits, which were mainly set in place on the presumption of their being children involved. 2 platonic friends cannot get the same benefits, I don't see why the fact that a couple are allegedly having sex and signed some paper should make a difference.

Careful now Talking sense will get a backlash. :pac:

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 24-08-2015 11:07PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Nope no hatred it's Irrational fear of something. People tag that hatred thing on as if it's fact.

biko wrote: »

Phobia is not hatred of something.
Phobia only means fear* - you can then build upon that to join in hatred to dilute the expression and inflate it to fit your view.

Phobia is a medical expression, people keep using medical expression to inflate the meaning over their own diluted issues.
Depression, phobia, retarded. One day people will have killed off the original meaning of every word.

*Actually a lot of phobias are not irrational at all.
Vertigo, Claustrophobia, Arachnophobia etc are all pretty sensible phobias with a biological background that makes total sense.

What dictionaries are ye using, serious question. I just checked Webster's and Oxford and neither of them define phobia as exclusively relating to fear. The original etymology of the word might be more restrictive, but it certainly does not only mean fear. I even have an OED here from the 70s and it doesn't claim it only means fear, so it's not like this is even a new thing.

Arytonblue · 24-08-2015 11:18PM

DeadHand wrote: »

I honestly think the aggression and intolerance of many on the Yes side alienated a lot of potential Yes voters and pushed them into apathy or even the No side. I was firmly in the Yes camp at first. Seeing how the Yes side were demonising and savaging people very nearly made me vote No out of spite or abstain out of exasperation.

I still voted Yes, despite the best efforts of the Yes campaign.

That is some incredible logic you've cooked up there that was all too popular during the campaign.

'I think gays should have the same rights as straights when it comes to marriage, but dammit the Yes campaign have been a bunch of meanie-heads to the No campaign who refuse to provide logical, reasoned arguments for their positions, I'm gonna show them up by voting against this measure or even abstaining even though I agree with said measure????'

Yep, great way to use one's vote, to spite someone.

Massimo Cassagrande · 24-08-2015 11:19PM

Honestly, who cares?

Trendy guff.

darkpagandeath · 24-08-2015 11:23PM

Arytonblue wrote: »

That is some incredible logic you've cooked up there that was all too popular during the campaign.

'I think gays should have the same rights as straights when it comes to marriage, but dammit the Yes campaign have been a bunch of meanie-heads to the No campaign who refuse to provide logical, reasoned arguments for their positions, I'm gonna show them up by voting against this measure or even abstaining even though I agree with said measure????'

Yep, great way to use one's vote, to spite someone.

So voting no does not make one Homophobic.

darkpagandeath · 24-08-2015 11:23PM

Laylah Hollow Salesperson wrote: »

What dictionaries are ye using, serious question. I just checked Webster's and Oxford and neither of them define phobia as exclusively relating to fear. The original etymology of the word might be more restrictive, but it certainly does not only mean fear. I even have an OED here from the 70s and it doesn't claim it only means fear, so it's not like this is even a new thing.

Does it say Hatred ?

PucaMama · 24-08-2015 11:23PM

umop apisdn wrote: »

Panti Bliss ( A soon to be future President of Ireland I hope) was clear : Everyone is a little bit homophobic and it needs to be stopped.

no thank you.

Billy86 · 24-08-2015 11:23PM

umop apisdn wrote: »

Are you saying Panti Bliss is lying ? . . . actually you are saying he is lying.

Well that makes your opinion pretty worthless then.

If it were not true, he would not be lying. He would just have an incorrect opinion.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 24-08-2015 11:26PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does it say Hatred ?

It says dislike or fear. Again, what dictionary are you using?

Billy86 · 24-08-2015 11:29PM

Laylah Hollow Salesperson wrote: »

What dictionaries are ye using, serious question. I just checked Webster's and Oxford and neither of them define phobia as exclusively relating to fear. The original etymology of the word might be more restrictive, but it certainly does not only mean fear. I even have an OED here from the 70s and it doesn't claim it only means fear, so it's not like this is even a new thing.

You forgot one thing :facts and details are irrelevant.

But let's just say it does mean fear, and nothing else... what does dear often lead to? If you guessed 'hate' then come on up and collect your prize!

darkpagandeath · 24-08-2015 11:32PM

Billy86 wrote: »

You forgot one thing :facts and details are irrelevant.

But let's just say it does mean fear, and nothing else... what does dear often lead to? If you guessed 'hate' then come on up and collect your prize!

Hang on is this Star wars ?

stateofflux · 24-08-2015 11:36PM

I hate everyone...i guess that makes me pro equality

suicide_circus · 24-08-2015 11:47PM

DeadHand wrote: »

The fawning over this talentless wretch has become cringeworthy at this stage.

lol well said

PucaMama · 24-08-2015 11:54PM

DeadHand wrote: »

I honestly think the aggression and intolerance of many on the Yes side alienated a lot of potential Yes voters and pushed them into apathy or even the No side. I was firmly in the Yes camp at first. Seeing how the Yes side were demonising and savaging people very nearly made me vote No out of spite or abstain out of exasperation.

I still voted Yes, despite the best efforts of the Yes campaign.

i too voted yes but by the time it came around i wasnt 100 percent on their side. hated the carrying on. and the constant push push push even when you already said you were voting yes. its too much.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2015 11:56PM

When they tell me they're not homophobic, i get suspicious. When the add the word "but..." then I know.

PucaMama · 24-08-2015 11:56PM

rubadub wrote: »

It was ironic that many were prejudiced in thinking that anybody voting no was homophobic. I would have preferred if the referendum had gone back to square one and asked if any marriage should be recognised by the state at all.

I do not think people in childless marriages should be afforded the same financial benefits, which were mainly set in place on the presumption of their being children involved. 2 platonic friends cannot get the same benefits, I don't see why the fact that a couple are allegedly having sex and signed some paper should make a difference.

and id say f*^k off, fertility issues do not make a relationship invalid

Joe prim · 24-08-2015 11:59PM

When they start foaming at the mouth...oh, no, wait, that's HYDROphobic, .....back to the drawing board.....

rubadub · 25-08-2015 12:00AM

PucaMama wrote: »

and id say f*^k off, fertility issues do not make a relationship invalid

I could similarly say fuck off, being platonic does not make a relationship invalid...

I don't see why 2 or more people should be able to sign some paper and share their incomes and get all sorts of other financial benefits, do you think they should?

Not sure what you meant by "make a relationship invalid" anyway. I am saying I do not think they should get financial assistance which is intended for people who have children. If wheelchair users were exempt from say motor tax I would not like to see able bodied people who simply own a wheelchair also being exempt -there is a presumption going on which should not be made. Just ask what they want to know and apply the benefits accordingly.

PucaMama · 25-08-2015 12:02AM

rubadub wrote: »

I could similarly say fuck off, being platonic does not make a relationship invalid...

sure :rolleyes: platonic friendships are exactly the same as a couple who havnt been able to get pregnant :rolleyes: f**k off:rolleyes:

efb · 25-08-2015 12:03AM

frostyjacks wrote: »

I think people are entitled to their own opinion, and it should be respected.

I don't have to respect opinions like black people are inferior to white people

suicide_circus · 25-08-2015 12:06AM

No one has to respect anyone's opinion, that's a given

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 25-08-2015 12:07AM

Sure it's a meaningless statement anyway. Follow the thought to it's logical conclusion and you have to respect people's opinion that you're a homophobe because it's their opinion and they're entitled to it

Joe prim · 25-08-2015 12:11AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

No one has to respect anyone's opinion, that's a given

But you must respect their right to hold that opinion,even if you don't respect their opinion, although that's just my opinion, and you don't have to respect it, but you do have to respect my right to have that opinion...at least, that's my opinion...

jobeenfitz · 25-08-2015 12:34AM

Straight away I apologise for generalising cos I'm gonna generalise. I'm fifty two, what's that got to do with anything? Well I think anybody over, say forty is more prone to being homophobic because we were reared to believe it's a sin and illegal to be gay. Gay was dirty, especially gay men.

Now I think people should be free to choose their partner for life, straight or gay without fear of discrimination BUT there is still something inside me saying two men together is wrong. It's obvious I'm homophobic, brainwashed.

I really don't want to be homophobic and small minded.

My daughter told me she was gay about two years ago and I hugged her and told her I loved her. I had no problem with that.

If my son had told me the same I would have hugged him and told him I love him too. I don't think I could say I have no problem with him being gay though. I am wrong to feel this way BUT I do.

Manach · 25-08-2015 12:37AM

When one makes a mocking reference to the PC-types, like I'm doing now.

wakka12 · 25-08-2015 12:48AM

DeadHand wrote: »

I honestly think the aggression and intolerance of many on the Yes side alienated a lot of potential Yes voters and pushed them into apathy or even the No side. I was firmly in the Yes camp at first. Seeing how the Yes side were demonising and savaging people very nearly made me vote No out of spite or abstain out of exasperation.

I still voted Yes, despite the best efforts of the Yes campaign.

See I hate this. The bullying and simply atrocious remarks made by groups like the iona institute didnt sway you? The lies scrawled across the No vote posters? Seems to be just the Yes side that were placed on this pedestal where any backhanded remarks or anything less than good words for those voting against their rights were scrutinised.

wakka12 · 25-08-2015 12:52AM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Straight away I apologise for generalising cos I'm gonna generalise. I'm fifty two, what's that got to do with anything? Well I think anybody over, say forty is more prone to being homophobic because we were reared to believe it's a sin and illegal to be gay. Gay was dirty, especially gay men.

Now I think people should be free to choose their partner for life, straight or gay without fear of discrimination BUT there is still something inside me saying two men together is wrong. It's obvious I'm homophobic, brainwashed.

I really don't want to be homophobic and small minded.

My daughter told me she was gay about two years ago and I hugged her and told her I loved her. I had no problem with that.

If my son had told me the same I would have hugged him and told him I love him too. I don't think I could say I have no problem with him being gay though. I am wrong to feel this way BUT I do.

I think everyone is brainwashed to think this to an extent..Im gay and I constantly tell myself that we are not inferior, theres nothing wrong with being gay, but at the back of my mind I will always see heterosexuality as 'superior'. Id always trade places to become straight if I could, in a heart beat. And I think Ill always think this way, no matter how much support or positive campaigning I see

MadDog76 · 25-08-2015 12:56AM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Straight away I apologise for generalising cos I'm gonna generalise. I'm fifty two, what's that got to do with anything? Well I think anybody over, say forty is more prone to being homophobic because we were reared to believe it's a sin and illegal to be gay. Gay was dirty, especially gay men.

Now I think people should be free to choose their partner for life, straight or gay without fear of discrimination BUT there is still something inside me saying two men together is wrong. It's obvious I'm homophobic, brainwashed.

I really don't want to be homophobic and small minded.

My daughter told me she was gay about two years ago and I hugged her and told her I loved her. I had no problem with that.

If my son had told me the same I would have hugged him and told him I love him too. I don't think I could say I have no problem with him being gay though. I am wrong to feel this way BUT I do.

wakka12 wrote: »

I think everyone is brainwashed to think this to an extent..Im gay and I constantly tell myself that we are not inferior, theres nothing wrong with being gay, but at the back of my mind I will always see heterosexuality as 'superior'. Id always trade places to become straight if I could, in a heart beat. And I think Ill always think this way, no matter how much support or positive campaigning I see

It's very rare that you hear this kind of honesty anywhere these days, especially on Boards .......... big thumbs up to both of you for sharing your honest feelings and thoughts.

foggy_lad · 25-08-2015 01:03AM

umop apisdn wrote: »

Panti Bliss ( A soon to be future President of Ireland I hope) was clear : Everyone is a little bit homophobic and it needs to be stopped.

What uter tripe! I own my homophobia!

Satriale · 25-08-2015 02:48AM

It must be fun though.

When do you think somebody is homophobic?

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