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When do you think somebody is homophobic?

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  • #32
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    A phobia is an irrational fear or hatred of something.
    i.e. such people are irrational by definition. Juding by the tone of some of the posts here already, there's a few closet homophobes left in Ireland to be cleaned up yet, and they are still butthurt about the Yes victory.
    Why are you so obsessed about homophobes? Are you homophobic yourself?:pac:


  • #33
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I normally find it's when people say I've nothing against the gayS, some of my best friends made that choice. Followed by a but.

    I think in today's society it's unfortunately necessary to have to say "I'm not racist/sexist" etc. before being allowed to offer a valid opinion on an individual and/or group of people.

    For example, I could say "that family two doors down are a filthy lot, personal hygiene is not their priority!" ......... now if that family happen to be black then there's (sometimes) pressure to preface the statement with "I'm not racist but ........"

    The point being, saying "I'm not sexist/racist but .........." does not automatically make you sexist/racist.

    How do you know if someone is homophobic? They'll usually make it quite clear with time depending on the topic of conversation.


  • #34
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I think in today's society it's unfortunately necessary to have to say "I'm not racist/sexist" etc. before being allowed to offer a valid opinion on an individual and/or group of people.

    For example, I could say "that family two doors down are a filthy lot, personal hygiene is not their priority!" ......... now if that family happen to be black then there's (sometimes) pressure to preface the statement with "I'm not racist but ........"

    The point being, saying "I'm not sexist/racist but .........." does not automatically make you sexist/racist.

    How do you know if someone is homophobic? They'll usually make it quite clear with time depending on the topic of conversation.

    Nail on the head there, We can thank our PC/SJW's overloards for that.


  • #35
    DeadHand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    Panti Bliss ( A soon to be future President of Ireland I hope) was clear : Everyone is a little bit homophobic and it needs to be stopped.

    Oh, please no.

    To think that a nation that produced Daniel O'Connell, Micheal Davitt and Micheal Collins could be globally represented by an overrated, whinging man in a dress with ridiculous fake boobs and make up that looks as if it were applied by shotgun.

    The fawning over this talentless wretch has become cringeworthy at this stage.


  • #36
    umop apisdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭umop apisdn


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Why are you so obsessed about homophobes? Are you homophobic yourself?:pac:

    Are you still butt hurt from the yes vote ? I hear there's going to be a special commune on craggy Island for butt hurt no voters, perhaps you could go there.


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  • #37
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I think in today's society it's unfortunately necessary to have to say "I'm not racist/sexist" etc. before being allowed to offer a valid opinion on an individual and/or group of people.

    For example, I could say "that family two doors down are a filthy lot, personal hygiene is not their priority!" ......... now if that family happen to be black then there's (sometimes) pressure to preface the statement with "I'm not racist but ........"

    The point being, saying "I'm not sexist/racist but .........." does not automatically make you sexist/racist.

    How do you know if someone is homophobic? They'll usually make it quite clear with time depending on the topic of conversation.

    I would think the opposite. If you just told me that the family was a filthy lot I would just think that they were a filthy lot. Race wouldnt come into it unless the person saying it had a habit of claiming that black people were filthy often.

    If you start with "'I'm not racists but.." my notice would be brought to their race and that you felt it was important to the matter of them being filthy.


  • #38
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    Are you still butt hurt from the yes vote ? I hear there's going to be a special commune on craggy Island for butt hurt no voters, perhaps you could go there.

    Nah I'm still scared for life from the Yes Zealots hounding one around the street if you do not immediately say "I'm voting yes" or them assuming "That's My business " to mean you are a homophobe and called out on ones views. You know them Yes lot being psychic and all that.


  • #39
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    Are you still butt hurt from the yes vote ? I hear there's going to be a special commune on craggy Island for butt hurt no voters, perhaps you could go there.
    Sure why would I be butt-hurt? I live in a country which already had legislated for SSM before Ireland, and when I say legislated I mean politicians got their fingers out instead of relying on a popularity contest referendum to justify it.


  • #40
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    I would think the opposite. If you just told me that the family was a filthy lot I would just think that they were a filthy lot. Race wouldnt come into it unless the person saying it had a habit of claiming that black people were filthy often.

    If you start with "'I'm not racists but.." my notice would be brought to their race and that you felt it was important to the matter of them being filthy.

    Nope My experience would be the other way around that you are calling them Dirty because they are Black. You would never have a problem if it was a white couple you were talking about no need to explain the whole I'm not Racist part.


  • #41
    umop apisdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭umop apisdn


    DeadHand wrote: »
    Oh, please no.

    To think that a nation that produced Daniel O'Connell, Micheal Davitt and Micheal Collins could be globally represented by an overrated, whinging man in a dress with ridiculous fake boobs and make up that looks as if it were applied by shotgun.

    The fawning over this talentless wretch has become cringeworthy at this stage.

    It's the least the citizens of Ireland can do to honor him. He gained world wide attention for the cause of gay rights in Ireland. He's done this country a great service, and the innocent people who were shackled in this country for years. Future generations are in his debt.


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  • #42
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    Are you still butt hurt from the yes vote ? I hear there's going to be a special commune on craggy Island for butt hurt no voters, perhaps you could go there.

    MOD: This is going to be your only warning. Stop with the "I'm the uber-pro-gay-rights campaigner" shtick. It's fooling no one and it's going to get you banned if you keep it up as a pretense to insult people. If you can't help insulting people, then just don't post.


  • #43
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    Are you still butt hurt from the yes vote ? I hear there's going to be a special commune on craggy Island for butt hurt no voters, perhaps you could go there.

    Judging from your posts, I think you're the only one butt hurt


  • #44
    umop apisdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭umop apisdn


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Judging from your posts, I think you're the only one butt hurt

    Only at weekends, you offering ? ;)


  • #45
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    With all the lgbt related issues posted in AH s lately wouldnt it be great if there was a separate section for people to talk about these things?

    Oh wait.......


  • #46
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    How Soon Is Now wrote: »
    With all the lgbt related issues posted in AH s lately wouldnt it be great if there was a separate section for people to talk about these things?

    Oh wait.......

    Sure we are all open and tolerant now, Maybe we should start posting random stuff in that forum ? :D


  • #47
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Sure we are all open and tolerant now, Maybe we should start posting random stuff in that forum ? :D

    :pac: Good idea!!


  • #48
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Sure we are all open and tolerant now, Maybe we should start posting random stuff in that forum ? :D

    We should start by calling them out for abanding the T in LBGT since they got their equality, seems the auld Gays are now distancing themselves as it's all a bit non pc for them now.


  • #49
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Nope My experience would be the other way around that you are calling them Dirty because they are Black. You would never have a problem if it was a white couple you were talking about no need to explain the whole I'm not Racist part.

    Maybe its just me, I dont tend to think much about another person's race or why it would have anything to do with their cleanliness.


  • #50
    Arytonblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Arytonblue


    I think we should just have all the Homosexuals and Homophobes battle it out on live TV on some remote island with a 'kill or be killed' rule, would make for some fantastic entertainment. Breda O'Brien and David Quinn in one corner cannonballing flaming copies of the Irish Catholic with a ballista, with Panti and Colm O'Gorman in the other corner flinging razor sharp Yes badges back, Youth Defence leading a cavalry charge against the alliance of Uni societies and David Norris' squadron of minions. Would be glorious, and just picture the fabulous outfits both sides could don. I say we start a kickstarter to have this happen.


  • #51
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    A phobia is an irrational fear or hatred of something.
    i.e. such people are irrational by definition.
    Phobia is not hatred of something.
    Phobia only means fear* - you can then build upon that to join in hatred to dilute the expression and inflate it to fit your view.

    Phobia is a medical expression, people keep using medical expression to inflate the meaning over their own diluted issues.
    Depression, phobia, retarded. One day people will have killed off the original meaning of every word.



    *Actually a lot of phobias are not irrational at all.
    Vertigo, Claustrophobia, Arachnophobia etc are all pretty sensible phobias with a biological background that makes total sense.


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  • #52
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    Maybe its just me, I dont tend to think much about another person's race or why it would have anything to do with their cleanliness.

    Neither do I But having moved to Ireland from Abroad, My experience talking to the general PC population here is not a good one.


  • #53
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Neither do I But having moved to Ireland from Abroad, My experience talking to the general PC population here is not a good one.

    If people have to explain they arent racist to you I dont think they're the PC ones.


  • #54
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    I would think the opposite. If you just told me that the family was a filthy lot I would just think that they were a filthy lot. Race wouldnt come into it unless the person saying it had a habit of claiming that black people were filthy often.

    If you start with "'I'm not racists but.." my notice would be brought to their race and that you felt it was important to the matter of them being filthy.

    My point is, we are now so hyper-sensitive that we almost have to clarify we are not racist before offering an opinion ....... there's a fear there that if I said to you (or anybody) that "that" family are a filthy lot that you (or society in general) could perceive my statement as a racist comment purely because the family happen to be black ........ now you personally may not make that assumption but there is a genuine (and valid) fear there that if you say anything negative about an individual who happens to be a minority (gay/black etc.) then you could be accused of being racist/sexist ......... quite often by the individual themselves even though there may be no connection between said statement and the individual's sexuality or race.

    This has resulted in people quite often clarifying that they are not racist or sexist before offering their opinion of someone ......... sadly though even the act of clarifying that you are not racist or sexist can/does result in you being accused of being racist/sexist ......... proved, in fact, by your very own post.


  • #55
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    If people have to explain they arent racist to you I dont think they're the PC ones.

    Ah the good old default response good work.


  • #56
    DeadHand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    umop apisdn wrote: »
    It's the least the citizens of Ireland can do to honor him. He gained world wide attention for the cause of gay rights in Ireland. He's done this country a great service, and the innocent people who were shackled in this country for years. Future generations are in his debt.

    Come off it.

    He has yet to produce a single original thought. A self regarding fraud with a massive persecution complex.

    He chooses to appear like something retrieved from a skip.

    This nation would degrade itself on the world stage by choosing this miserable clown as its first citizen.

    It's like the Emperors new clothes. People are so terrified of being thought bigoted and punished by the new orthodoxy that far from being honest and pointing out the truth that the man hasn't contributed anything new or worthwhile to national discourse and looks utterly ridiculous they fall in line with the herd and worship this person as some kind of prophet.


  • #57
    QuinDixie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 843 ✭✭✭QuinDixie


    the last referendum showed, 7 in 10 of the adult pop. are homosexual and 3 in 10 are homophobic.
    So the homophobic people are now in the minority and should have their rights protected.


  • #58
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    QuinDixie wrote: »
    the last referendum showed, 7 in 10 of the adult pop. are homosexual and 3 in 10 are homophobic.
    So the homophobic people are now in the minority and should have their rights protected.

    Voteing no does not make you homophobic. Being homophobic does.


  • #59
    DeadHand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Voteing no does not make you homophobic. Being homophobic does.

    I honestly think the aggression and intolerance of many on the Yes side alienated a lot of potential Yes voters and pushed them into apathy or even the No side. I was firmly in the Yes camp at first. Seeing how the Yes side were demonising and savaging people very nearly made me vote No out of spite or abstain out of exasperation.

    I still voted Yes, despite the best efforts of the Yes campaign.


  • #60
    QuinDixie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 843 ✭✭✭QuinDixie


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Voteing no does not make you homophobic. Being homophobic does.

    voting no = being homophobic
    voting yes = homosexual

    The amount of people who are in denial about their sexuality is the last taboo, the fear for some people to be what they are is very real.


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  • #61
    rubadub
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    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    Or saying marriage is about having children but only if you are gay, otherwise childless marriage is fine.
    It was ironic that many were prejudiced in thinking that anybody voting no was homophobic. I would have preferred if the referendum had gone back to square one and asked if any marriage should be recognised by the state at all.

    I do not think people in childless marriages should be afforded the same financial benefits, which were mainly set in place on the presumption of their being children involved. 2 platonic friends cannot get the same benefits, I don't see why the fact that a couple are allegedly having sex and signed some paper should make a difference.


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