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    #92
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Agree won't do it in one yr will rise it up over a few yrs and see how it goes and find that 'sweet spot'
    We'll be stocked at 3.6 next yr on what we always graze and silage ground to fall back on if it's too high

    3.6 is mp and not whole farm sr? would be slow to push overall past the 2.5-2.8 but you'd know better how far you can take your farm.


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    #93
    Greengrass1
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    Very different regime now with quotas gone.....was it you that claimed you were milking 35% more cows for the same amount of money.
    It gets to the stage where it's no longer worth the bother

    35% more milk.
    Won't make that decision on one yr.
    We all knew what we were heading into but still have faith we'll get back to a stable market paying 34c base


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    Greengrass1
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    browned wrote: »
    3.6 is mp and not whole farm sr? would be slow to push overall past the 2.5-2.8 but you'd know better how far you can take your farm.

    Just MP be about 2.5 overs next yr I think.
    have a bank of silage atm that will help us out
    were not using our full N Allowance either. Will next yr though


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    #95
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Agree won't do it in one yr will rise it up over a few yrs and see how it goes and find that 'sweet spot'
    We'll be stocked at 3.6 next yr on what we always graze and silage ground to fall back on if it's too high

    Standard stocking rate here with 2 cut silage ground closed is 4.4 . autumn and spring silage ground is grazed then. Have only made 60 bales off grazing ground this summer. Will be getting ground ready now to join milking block but have dropped leased ground which means heifers at home for a year or two anyway so ill have to see how things aee going as I progress. Things to watch out for would be I am supplementing more with ration than others would be and also if weather goes against you stock may have to be housed earlier to drop stocking rate which means having enuv feed on board over and above standard winter. We.re also buying in a fair chunk of winter feed requirement


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    #96
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Just MP be about 2.5 overs next yr I think.
    have a bank of silage atm that will help us out
    were not using our full N Allowance either. Will next yr though

    If you can do it with the result of more money per hour worked for you, I cant see an issue.


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    mahoney_j
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with being ambitious mj
    Isn't jim delahunty and noel o toole doing it.
    If I can grow the grass no reason why I can't stock at that

    Fully agree but just urge caution going over 3.4/3.5 permanent on mp is going to leave you on a fine line. Between feast and famine in an average year ,at shoulders etc
    Basing decisions on an exceptional year like this and on guys at very top of game def needs caution .delahunty at 3.7 is on a very fine line with very high demand all year even he will admit a St of 3.5 would suit him better and O toole imports massive amounts of bought in bales


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    rangler1
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    35% more milk.
    Won't make that decision on one yr.
    We all knew what we were heading into but still have faith we'll get back to a stable market paying 34c base

    Will a 34c base not just drive expansion and more new entrants with the usual result, most people based their decision to expand/enter dairying on 30c


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    mahoney_j
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    Will a 34c base not just drive expansion and more new entrants with the usual result, most people based their decision to expand/enter dairying on 30c

    Banks stress testing at 26/27 .recently whilst applying for a loan banks told me my cop at 27 cent not inc labour was high compared to other apicants .scratching my head I asked what sort of figures other lads have .answer was between 18/24 .dont know who lads are trying to kid quoting figures that low


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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Banks stress testing at 26/27 .recently whilst applying for a loan banks told me my cop at 27 cent not inc labour was high compared to other apicants .scratching my head I asked what sort of figures other lads have .answer was between 18/24 .dont know who lads are trying to kid quoting figures that low

    There were common costs of 18.76c/l quoted on a farm walk in Tipperary recently. Not the same as cop but could the bank manager have been mixing them up?


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    #101
    whelan2
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    Most people have no clue what it costs them to produce a litre of milk


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    mahoney_j
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    browned wrote: »
    There were common costs of 18.76c/l quoted on a farm walk in Tipperary recently. Not the same as cop but could the bank manager have been mixing them up?

    Nope def full cop


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    kowtow
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    35% more milk.
    Won't make that decision on one yr.
    We all knew what we were heading into but still have faith we'll get back to a stable market paying 34c base

    Out of interest GG where do you get the figure of a 34c base - as opposed to, say, 32c, or 36c?


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    kowtow
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    Most people have no clue what it costs them to produce a litre of milk

    +1000


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    #105
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Nope def full cop

    Hard to imagine any that low in Ireland. Was talking to guy back from tour in states cop on a indoor dairy was at 18c/l and grass based system 14c/l. Two exceptional farms and not the norm over there But scary figures all the same


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    whelan2 wrote: »
    Most people have no clue what it costs them to produce a litre of milk

    What would the average cost of borrowings be amongst most dairy farmers in the south in cent per litres terms?

    Was talking to a few dairy men here about milk prices and costs of production and they reckoned average borrowings/interest costs are approx 7ppl or roughly a quarter of cop.

    Wouldn't be that high would it?


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    browned wrote: »
    There were common costs of 18.76c/l quoted on a farm walk in Tipperary recently. Not the same as cop but could the bank manager have been mixing them up?

    was this on a farm in the ballybacon/Ardfinnan area? beside the church?


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    #108
    stanflt
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    You can work on sr on milking platform of around 5 lu ha till around early June

    After that I would recommend max of 3-3.2

    By all accounts the men on the grassland walk are at the very top of there game and don't miss a trick grass wise- not everyone including myself could maintain their standards


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    Greengrass1
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    kowtow wrote: »
    Out of interest GG where do you get the figure of a 34c base - as opposed to, say, 32c, or 36c?

    Just pulled it out of the air. Could easily have said 32c


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    stanflt wrote: »
    You can work on sr on milking platform of around 5 lu ha till around early June

    After that I would recommend max of 3-3.2

    By all accounts the men on the grassland walk are at the very top of there game and don't miss a trick grass wise- not everyone including myself could maintain their standards

    Agree but it's something to strive for I think.
    The more grass I can grow the better


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    Panch18 wrote: »
    was this on a farm in the ballybacon/Ardfinnan area? beside the church?

    No idea wasnt able to make the walk . The book from the walk was posted as a link on here tho.


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    Greengrass1
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    http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/poll-dairy-farmers-whats-your-cost-of-production/

    Thought ours was high but when I see 27c not inc repayments I reckon were not too bad.


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    jaymla627
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Agree but it's something to strive for I think.
    The more grass I can grow the better

    Anyone ask noel how he got on in 2012/2013 when the s&*t hit the fan weather wise , it's these systems where no bank of forage is kept to get over events like this that the whole thing goes tits up but it never seems to be highlighted by teagasc....
    Their great lads at rubbishing claims by anyone who dares feed their cows and push production, but dont seem to research what happens on a highly stocked dairy farm when a severe year weather wise happens and the cost of this to the bottomline


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    mahoney_j
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    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Anyone ask noel how he got on in 2012/2013 when the s&*t hit the fan weather wise , it's these systems where no bank of forage is kept to get over events like this that the whole thing goes tits up but it never seems to be highlighted by teagasc....
    Their great lads at rubbishing claims by anyone who dares feed their cows and push production, but dont seem to research what happens on a highly stocked dairy farm when a severe year weather wise happens and the cost of this to the bottomline
    I for one would love to see o tooles place in a scenario like 2012/13 stocked nearly 4 cows per he..wasn't there Tuesday but was over a year ago.great operator and all the rest but a real fine line operation that couldn't take too many bumps as regards feed deficits ,****ty weather poor growth etc.
    On your last paragraph above jay couldn't agree more


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    #115
    frazzledhome
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    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Anyone ask noel how he got on in 2012/2013 when the s&*t hit the fan weather wise , it's these systems where no bank of forage is kept to get over events like this that the whole thing goes tits up but it never seems to be highlighted by teagasc....
    Their great lads at rubbishing claims by anyone who dares feed their cows and push production, but dont seem to research what happens on a highly stocked dairy farm when a severe year weather wise happens and the cost of this to the bottomline

    One common thread on both farms was taking a 5yr view on profit and production. They didn't do panic and that was clear. In the 2012 NoT wouldn't have been stocked so highly.

    He is however growing a lot if grass consistently on a dry farm. Make no mistake that its a farm with lots of feed going into cows al be it mostly grass


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    #116
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    frazzledhome wrote: »
    One common thread on both farms was taking a 5yr view on profit and production. They didn't do panic and that was clear. In the 2012 NoT wouldn't have been stocked so highly.

    He is however growing a lot if grass consistently on a dry farm. Make no mistake that its a farm with lots of feed going into cows al be it mostly grass

    The big advantage u mention there, aside from being good operators, is its a dry farm, in 2012 here it was the wet weather that really hammered heavy ground as while dry ground could be managed wet ground was unusable for parts of summer not a mind the autumn


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    according to the boards he produced 1450kgsms/ha in 2012 and in 2013 it was 1650kgs/Ms/ha. the sr looks to be 3.6 in 2012 and 3.75 in 2013.


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    kowtow
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Just pulled it out of the air. Could easily have said 32c

    Well if you ever get sick of that farm (and I don't think you will) at least we know you are 100% qualified to take over any of the "pillar" banks, or - should you wish - the finance ministry.


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    frazzledhome
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    kowtow wrote: »
    Well if you ever get sick of that farm (and I don't think you will) at least we know you are 100% qualified to take over any of the "pillar" banks, or - should you wish - the finance ministry.

    Excellent Lol


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    Greengrass1
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    Got these long cuffed gloves today. Thicker than Mullinahone ones. Won't split half way through milking :D


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    #121
    stretch film
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Got these long cuffed gloves today. Thicker than Mullinahone ones. Won't split half way through milking :D

    Splitting half way through is a pet hate of mine . Spoils the rhythm


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