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The Sunday Game Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭harpsman


    Firstly, if you are involved in the GAA and can make a good case on day or the night before in Dublin you will get a ticket.
    I was chatting to a Tyrone ladies player who never goes to mens county games as she was too busy playing playing for ladies club and county and training a clatter of underage teams that she valued having a day off (possibly even then no more than an afternoon) and following the game on TV or radio.
    She travelled to Dublin without a ticket and had one in no time.

    Second thing is to just travel up.
    My fairweather Tryone supporter friend travelled up for the second of their all ireland wins (for the first he pulled a premium ticket through work, and bring a VERY protestant company there was nobody else in the queue) and just bided his time and got a ticket in one of the pubs near croker from a lad that either couldnt be arsed or was stood up by a friend. It was a sprint to make it for the throw in but he did.
    Or, again go to Dublin and hang round the security cordon before the game. I know of many instances of people I know who have been stood up and have just handed the tickets to the guards to pass on to a deserving fan.

    This argument is total horsesh!t. No 1 to expect someone to travel 150 miles and then go around pubs the night before and day of a game effectively begging for a ticket is pretty offensive imo. No 2 it usually doesnt work, particularly if its a final with a big demand. Sure, we all know people who picked up tickets the day of the game. I know plenty who didnt as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Figsy32


    harpsman wrote: »
    This argument is total horsesh!t. No 1 to expect someone to travel 150 miles and then go around pubs the night before and day of a game effectively begging for a ticket is pretty offensive imo. No 2 it usually doesnt work, particularly if its a final with a big demand. Sure, we all know people who picked up tickets the day of the game. I know plenty who didnt as well.

    That's the point really though. There is such high demand for finals that there is no system that's going to work perfectly. The season ticket system and giving them to clubs at least strikes the balance between people who go to games and those who do work in their clubs. You shouldn't ignore either type of person. Unfortunately though there's not enough tickets to cater for all of each type of person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Figsy32 wrote: »
    That's the point really though. There is such high demand for finals that there is no system that's going to work perfectly. The season ticket system and giving them to clubs at least strikes the balance between people who go to games and those who do work in their clubs. You shouldn't ignore either type of person. Unfortunately though there's not enough tickets to cater for all of each type of person.

    The season tickets and giving them to clubs are both great ways of distributing hte tickets, the problem is that the counties involved only get something like 15k iirc each.

    So that's leaving about 50k tickets to give to corporate sponsors and counties not involved. Far too many.


    (I could be way off with my numbers but the point remains.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Figsy32


    Jayop wrote: »
    The season tickets and giving them to clubs are both great ways of distributing hte tickets, the problem is that the counties involved only get something like 15k iirc each.

    So that's leaving about 50k tickets to give to corporate sponsors and counties not involved. Far too many.

    (I could be way off with my numbers but the point remains.)

    I suppose the counter argument to that is it gives people who might then never get a chance to see their county play in an All-Ireland the chance to experience one. It's two tickets to each club from counties that aren't playing IIRC. That doesn't strike me as overkill. I wouldn't begrude that but I'm lucky that I've never had a problem sourcing tickets.

    I don't know about numbers but I know there's often agreements between counties to swap tickets. Such as Cork clubs might swap their football allocations to Kerry in return for hurling tickets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭harpsman


    Figsy32 wrote: »
    That's the point really though. There is such high demand for finals that there is no system that's going to work perfectly. The season ticket system and giving them to clubs at least strikes the balance between people who go to games and those who do work in their clubs. You shouldn't ignore either type of person. Unfortunately though there's not enough tickets to cater for all of each type of person.

    Agree totally. The system at present is as close to perfect as is ever going be achieved. 90% of the hard luck stories you hear are either untrue or from people who dont have a legitimate gripe.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭SillyBeans


    Stoner wrote: »
    we were issued with notice that ID supporting the ticket owner matches the season ticket was in place.

    I've spoken to the season ticket office before and was told that this isn't the case? I was told that someone else could use my ticket but that no one person could scan two tickets (e.g. if someone couldn't use their ticket, so their attendance wouldn't be affected).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭tanko


    Is it possible for supporters of all counties to get a season ticket or is this system only operated by certain counties?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭SillyBeans


    Every county as far as I know? Some sell out faster than others I'd imagine. I've had mine from day 1 so have just renewed. I did add an extra ticket this year though without any hassle so they're definitely still selling them to 'new' people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    SillyBeans wrote: »
    Every county as far as I know? Some sell out faster than others I'd imagine. I've had mine from day 1 so have just renewed. I did add an extra ticket this year though without any hassle so they're definitely still selling them to 'new' people.

    All depends on your county.

    I've had my Adult and a Child ticket for my brother since day one and there's been no hope of getting another Adult ST for Dublin.

    AFAIK Dublin and Mayo are oversubscribed and Tyrone are close to being so or were.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭tanko


    All depends on your county.

    I've had my Adult and a Child ticket for my brother since day one and there's been no hope of getting another Adult ST for Dublin.

    AFAIK Dublin and Mayo are oversubscribed and Tyrone are close to being so or were.

    How many season ticket holders are there in Dublin? Would all Dublin ST holders be guaranteed a ticket if Dublin get to the all Ireland final?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    tanko wrote: »
    How many season ticket holders are there in Dublin? Would all Dublin ST holders be guaranteed a ticket if Dublin get to the all Ireland final?

    Yes. That's part of the deal of getting a season ticket once you attend at least 60% of their games over the League and Championship.

    Sure I've attended the AIF's in 2011 and 2013 on that basis.

    From what I remember there were 2500ST originally and the Dublin ST was expanded as a result with Hill-only STs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Topcat32


    Cork's hurling problems distilled down to one word - schools. Nonsense. Oh it were that simple. Our hurling problems run so much deeper that that.

    Our only viable professional sport is built on an excellent schools structure. You seem to want to believe that your hurling problems are all very complicated when the simple reason is you dont produce enough underage players. Again you should use the example of Dublin collages, which brought Dublin hurling from being beaten by Laois and Westmeath to the point where they won a national league and a leinster championship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    I was emailed about having ID to support the ticket. I'm not disputing what you were told, just telling you I was mailed about it. Was never asked though.

    We should possibly move this talk to the season ticket thread, sorry for my part in derailing this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Topcat32 wrote: »
    Our only viable professional sport is built on an excellent schools structure. You seem to want to believe that your hurling problems are all very complicated when the simple reason is you dont produce enough underage players. Again you should use the example of Dublin collages, which brought Dublin hurling from being beaten by Laois and Westmeath to the point where they won a national league and a leinster championship.

    Rugby isn't really built on the schools structure.
    The schools like to perpetuate the myth that it is.
    It suits their ego.

    It is the clubs who do the ground work before these players get near a secondary school.

    Outside of Dublin, the schools input to player development is a lot less still.

    But your point about Dublin hurling is well made.

    However, Dublin have a big pick, in a small geographic area which makes it much easier to train development squads and county teams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    Stoner wrote: »
    I was emailed about having ID to support the ticket. I'm not disputing what you were told, just telling you I was mailed about it. Was never asked though.

    We should possibly move this talk to the season ticket thread, sorry for my part in derailing this thread.

    I know people who often use other people's season tickets. ID has never come into it. It suits both parties, the person going because they get a free ticket and the person who owns the season ticket but can't go because they get a "stamp" on their season ticket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,516 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    This thread has gone way off point

    So will Brolly eventually get fired or not ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭commonsense.


    Topcat32 wrote: »
    Our only viable professional sport is built on an excellent schools structure. You seem to want to believe that your hurling problems are all very complicated when the simple reason is you dont produce enough underage players. Again you should use the example of Dublin collages, which brought Dublin hurling from being beaten by Laois and Westmeath to the point where they won a national league and a leinster championship.

    Don't make me laugh - comparing the development of hurlers and rugby players is like comparing apples and oranges. Surely as as KK man you realise that???? With all due respect to the skills and subtleties of rugby, any self respecting system could produce an international class rugby player in a few years. On the other hand, unless the development of hurlers is nurtured properly and precisely over a long number of years you get exactly what has happened in Cork.

    Our clubs produce thousands and thousands (and thousands) of underage players e.g. of the approx 85.000 kids nationwide who will attend Cúl Camps this Summer, over 12,000 of them will be in Cork. From the age of 14 on it's the player development system that fails them. Way behind what every self respecting hurling county has been doing for many years.

    Dublin have approx 60 GDAs to drive hurling in their schools as well as everywhere else. Cork have 6. Rochestown College contested both post primary schools Munster hurling and football finals (Harty and Corn Ui Mhuiri) this year. Not a single sliotar, hurley, football, GDA visit or phone call offering assistance from CCB was received.

    Our hurling problems are very simple ==> CCB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    So will Brolly eventually get fired or not ?

    They are on a year to year contract aren't they. It would just be a case of not renewing it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Stoner wrote: »
    They are on a year to year contract aren't they. It would just be a case of not renewing it?

    He's a bit like Dunphy, he's getting very staid now, but while he still comes out with gems like Cavanagh 2 years ago and gets 1,000's of people talking, they'll keep him.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,516 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    K-9 wrote: »
    He's a bit like Dunphy, he's getting very staid now, but while he still comes out with gems like Cavanagh 2 years ago and gets 1,000's of people talking, they'll keep him.

    I thought refusing to discuss the Kildare-Cork match, and interrupting Ciarán Whelan when did try to, was a new low.
    Maybe more of Tomás Ó Sé or Dessie Dolan would be better

    By the way, I'd hardly call his personalising of criticism of Cavanagh as a "gem".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    I think that he meant it was a gem from an RTE ratings point of view. Everyone in the country was talking about it, which probably led to increased ratings for the Sunday Game, to see what outrageous thing Brolly would say next. That means more advertizing dosh for RTE, which is their main interest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    I was a big fan of Tomas O'Se last year, but I think he's getting just a bit stale this year. He is being too careful and too cute to say anything that will rock the boat in or for Kerry. He certainly isn't afraid of doing it in his newspaper column, but he's becoming a bit predictable on the Sunday Game imo.

    I like it when they rotate the pundits. It gets very stale having the same old faces on, day in and day out. But I think the show would be much better overall if had more proper journalists on, the likes of Malachy Clerkin, Eoin McDevitt, Paul Kimmage etc etc would be a great addition. They don't have the same bias that the former players and managers have. Nor are they are all that petrified of pissing off their former playing colleague or the spectators of one particular county. Nor are they speaking with a hidden agenda, because they have an eye on a managerial job themselves.

    They tend to be better at expressing themselves too and don't talk in empty cliches. Being a retired star player, doesn't mean that you are automatically a good communicator. They are also often better informed over all, as they follow the sport and go to games for a living. They don't spend their working week in a classroom or a factory. By all means, have the former players and managers on, they add a unique perspective that the regular journalists can't. But mix it up a bit. Having them all be former players is too one sided.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    What he said about Cavanagh should have been a sackable offence for an amateur sport. He's a twat of the highest order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    I thought refusing to discuss the Kildare-Cork match, and interrupting Ciarán Whelan when did try to, was a new low.
    Maybe more of Tomás Ó Sé or Dessie Dolan would be better

    By the way, I'd hardly call his personalising of criticism of Cavanagh as a "gem".

    Its pure gold for the Sunday Game though.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    K-9 wrote: »
    Its pure gold for the Sunday Game though.

    It's pure ****e too. I don't know what kind of people enjoy that "analysis" but it's certainly not someone hoping to actually learn something about the game or understand something they didn't already know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,222 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Jayop wrote: »
    What he said about Cavanagh should have been a sackable offence for an amateur sport. He's a twat of the highest order.

    Add that to his "Marty" quote and how he's still there is a mystery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Add that to his "Marty" quote and how he's still there is a mystery.

    I meant to say that in my post. He's a <Mod Snip>.

    Mod - Lads in as much as Brolly evokes a certain reaction in most of us just try and tame the language please


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    Brolly is The Sunday Game's equivalent of a shock jock. He's similar to the DJ Howard Stern. When Stern's ratings were going through the roof a survey was done to find out why such a controversial and offensive personality was so successful. They found that those who liked him listened to him to hear what he'd say next and that those who disliked him listened to him to find out what he'd say next. I'd suggest Brolly is somewhat similar and that RTE knows that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Add that to his "Marty" quote and how he's still there is a mystery.

    PC gone mad.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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