The Sunday Game Thread

keeponhurling

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's alright. Once we have our shiny new stadium and 1 pitch Centre of Excellence everything will be grand.

And something about Musgrave park as well

Very Bored

As Brendan Cummins said last year, there's no need to be going on about a centre of excellence in Cork when in Thurles they're lucky if they get a hurling wall and yet they still produce very good teams. Same with my own county, if there's a centre of excellence in Kilkenny I don't know where it is. Brian Cody's back garden maybe?!?

As an outsider looking in, it appears to be politics which is ruining the GAA in Cork. Everyone seems to have their own agenda. And make no mistake, that includes Donal Og too.

The biggest problem, as I see it, in the long term is loss of interest. If Cork keep having bad seasons, and 2013 seems to have been a blip rather than the norm, then kids will look elsewhere for their heroes. Kids need someone to look up to and if the local GAA doesn't provide that then they will look to other sports for it. And, even as a Cat, it would be tragic if Cork slipped off the radar permanently.

nice_guy80

Bit of a joke that the county with the most hurling clubs and hurling players should be so bad at underage for years

And now it's coming home to roost at adult level

Very Bored

That's why I say there's more to this problem that "Frank". Cork teams haven't had any club success at senior provincial level since 2010 (football) and 2009 (hurling). Whilst that might be a short time in terms of most counties its quite a while for a county of Cork's stature. Yes, the problem starts with the county board but, and I stress this is an outsider looking in, there has to be more to this that just those at the top. To me, it appears that everyone involved in Cork GAA has their own agenda and is pulling in different directions. To be honest, the situation reminds me a lot of the problems in the WRU and Wales have underperformed too since the seventies save for the odd blip year. The difference as I see it between Cork on the one hand and say Kilkenny and Tipp on the other is that in the latter the county team is the pinnacle and everyone is working towards the same goal. In Cork it seems the knives are out everywhere. And frankly, insulting a hurler from another county on live TV is p*ssing in the wind and tells everything you need to know about the situation.

The_Kew_Tour

As a Corkman who lived in Dublin for good number of years, now in Cork again for while, I see a difference in Young Lads. Even before Dublin won a long overdue AI in 2011 you see kids with hurleys and proud to wear the Dublin Jersey. It's not like that in Cork anymore. The interest just does not seem to be there anymore. Kids are sick of being treated poorly and going out of the sport and who can blame them. This problem aint going away anything soon. Reality is it will take least 10 years for this to change. It's going be very quiet period in both codes till change comes about.

Jayop

I see o'rourke is having a pop at the sky deal today in the indo. Amazing piece of impartiality from the rte pundit. They're getting showed up by a vastly superior team and they're all butt hurt about it. More games on sky would be the best thing.

OldMrBrennan83

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Jayop

It's a million times better than the crap rte are producing. I'd be more concerned about the quality than the cost.

Maybe the best thing would be for rte to get rid of 90% of their cocomentators and pundits and replace them with people truly knowledgable and passionate about the games.

OldMrBrennan83

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Jayop

Depends if you only want it for gaa. If so then no it's not, but I watch all sports do it's something I couldn't live without.

galwaylad14

Very Bored wrote: »

So Donal Og etc. went on strike three times and via these strikes he and his mates ended up with a complete cow pat of a county board that puts in yes man, after yes man, after yes man into the most important positions in the county. Kilkenny county board made a brave decision nearly twenty years ago to bring in a man who doesn't give a b*llocks how other people think he should run the shop, its his way or the highway, and the Cats have been richly rewarded. And its Henry Shefflin who is stupid? I never liked Donal Og, neither as a player nor as a commentator and he's done this cr*p with Brendan Cummins before. Now this just confirms what I thought all along, the man is an idiot.

In fairness I thought what came across from Donal Og's comments were how much he cares for Cork hurling and he backed up his points with the graphic he showed of Munster and All Ireland wins by Cork teams at underage and Senior level.

I've seen Shefflin interviewed a lot and he comes across as a very genuine and smart guy but in fairness the question he asked last night was quiet a silly one so could understand Donal Ogs reaction too.. I'd say it was a case of Henry being shocked at the passion and intensity of Donal Og's words and felt like he had to say something but after showing the table and speaking at length about how Cork weren't producing underage teams henry then just basically asked him "do you think the problem is that Cork aren't producing the underage teams?". It was a stupid question in fairness given what had been said and shown just before it.

Hitchens

galwaylad14 wrote: »

In fairness I thought what came across from Donal Og's comments were how much he cares for Cork hurling and he backed up his points with the graphic he showed of Munster and All Ireland wins by Cork teams at underage and Senior level.

I've seen Shefflin interviewed a lot and he comes across as a very genuine and smart guy but in fairness the question he asked last night was quiet a silly one so could understand Donal Ogs reaction too.. I'd say it was a case of Henry being shocked at the passion and intensity of Donal Og's words and felt like he had to say something but after showing the table and speaking at length about how Cork weren't producing underage teams henry then just basically asked him "do you think the problem is that Cork aren't producing the underage teams?". It was a stupid question in fairness given what had been said and shown just before it.

No, that was Henry giving Donal the chance to say what was REALLY on his mind .....i.e blame Frank for everything!

0byme75341jo28

Jayop wrote: »

I see o'rourke is having a pop at the sky deal today in the indo. Amazing piece of impartiality from the rte pundit. They're getting showed up by a vastly superior team and they're all butt hurt about it. More games on sky would be the best thing.

Don't agree with your there, but yeah I think it's clear that the analysis etc. on Sky is far superior.

keeponhurling

It's two different issues.

I disagree with Sky having any matches.

However the fact is their analysis and comentary is better, although camerawork not great as tends to focus on people in the crowd more than the match.

Formosa

Being "out foreign" I'm only catching up with TSG now, having read this thread during the day.

Watched it just now on GAAGO...all of Cusack's rant has been cut out of it, only showed him talking about the graph briefly and that's it.

I wonder did Frank get on to RTE and they capitulated in their usual fashion or what??

TCDStudent1

Formosa wrote: »

Being "out foreign" I'm only catching up with TSG now, having read this thread during the day.

Watched it just now on GAAGO...all of Cusack's rant has been cut out of it, only showed him talking about the graph briefly and that's it.

I wonder did Frank get on to RTE and they capitulated in their usual fashion or what??

Its on RTE player anyway, not cut out of it there.

doc_17

Brolly is usually correct but his delivery is rude, continuously interrupting and then talking over the others. You could clearly see Ciaran Whelan was getting frustrated with him as he could hardly get a word in edgeways, especially during the video analysis he had prepared.

Jayop

keeponhurling wrote: »

It's two different issues.

I disagree with Sky having any matches.

However the fact is their analysis and comentary is better, although camerawork not great as tends to focus on people in the crowd more than the match.

That's fair. I disagree with the first point because it's not that there's less games on RTE or FTA as before, Sky are showing games that wouldn't have otherwise been aired at all or airing the same games as RTE have on.

I think that what Sky have done is raise the expectation of half decent punditry and RTE have a long way to go to match them which is shocking considering they've had a 50 odd year head start.

As for showing the crowd, what annoys me most and I said it in the championship thread is Sky seem to be obsessed with slo mo replys of the guy who scored fist pumping or the guy who hit it wide being annoyed. As a result we missed almost every kick out in the Fermanagh/Westmeath game. They need to realise that the kick out is one of the most important parts of the game.

QuinDixie

that interchange between shefflin and cusack was excellent. Donal Og was sowing into him . shefflin was trying to be funny with the question about is underage the problem. Donal Og rattled him and than Des cahill looked at shefflin and said dont call him stupid.
And than sheffflin must said the word synopsis 10 times, mostly at incorrect times. donal og schooled him nicely.
All very funny.

Shefflin is new but currently carries the same problems as other ex players trying to make a career in media - owen kelly, mullane and eddie brennan - they cannot speak english properly.

glued

QuinDixie wrote: »

that interchange between shefflin and cusack was excellent. Donal Og was sowing into him . shefflin was trying to be funny with the question about is underage the problem. Donal Og rattled him and than Des cahill looked at shefflin and said dont call him stupid.
And than sheffflin must said the word synopsis 10 times, mostly at incorrect times. donal og schooled him nicely.
All very funny.

Shefflin is new but currently carries the same problems as other ex players trying to make a career in media - owen kelly, mullane and eddie brennan - they cannot speak english properly.

What are you talking about? Eoin Kelly and particularly Eddie Brennan are quite good analysts. They certainly are doing no better or worse than Donal Og.

Mullane is quite good too.

QuinDixie

glued wrote: »

What are you talking about? Eoin Kelly and particularly Eddie Brennan are quite good analysts. They certainly are doing no better or worse than Donal Og.

Mullane is quite good too.

Ah stop, they speak like hillbillies, and I say that as one. Very hard to listen to especially Mullane.
Donal Og is easy to listen too and does not repeat words for no reason, does not stutter, or look uncomfortable.
Liam Sheedy, Loughnane, Donal Og are all well spoken and confident and are easily the best hurling analysts.
Daly has started well for a new man.
I saw Michael Kavanagh not so long ago and he looked like he might have the makings of a good analyst.

Jayop

doc_17 wrote: »

Brolly is usually correct but his delivery is rude, continuously interrupting and then talking over the others. You could clearly see Ciaran Whelan was getting frustrated with him as he could hardly get a word in edgeways, especially during the video analysis he had prepared.

Brolly is a clown and is pretty much the epitome of everything that's bad about RTE sports.

Topcat32

Just viewed the Sunday Game on the RTE player, and my impression of the Donal Og commentry on Cork hurling is that he focused on having a dig at Frank Murphy, who Cork players love when they are coming up in front of a disiplinary panel, and ignored the chance offered by Henry to expand on the real problem of Cork hurling which is that there is no consistently successfull 2nd level school in Cork where as all other hurling counties have at least one school producing quality teams each year

nice_guy80

Topcat32 wrote: »

Just viewed the Sunday Game on the RTE player, and my impression of the Donal Og commentry on Cork hurling is that he focused on having a dig at Frank Murphy, who Cork players love when they are coming up in front of a disiplinary panel, and ignored the chance offered by Henry to expand on the real problem of Cork hurling which is that there is no consistently successfull 2nd level school in Cork where as all other hurling counties have at least one school producing quality teams each year

Schools need support from the county board and decent players from the local clubs.
In order for local clubs to produce good young players they need coaching support from the CB.
It all feeds in.

Stoner

I only saw it tonight. Brolly was only interested in Cork v Kerry. He dismissed the historical Kikdare win as too easy and launched into Cork. I thought he could have spared Cork a little and let the Kildare fans have their day . At least the Kildare midfield got a bit of screen time .

He might be right but he could talk about the Munster final some other time

Topcat32

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Schools need support from the county board and decent players from the local clubs.
In order for local clubs to produce good young players they need coaching support from the CB.
It all feeds in.

Im not sure Kierans collage or flannans/Ard Scoil Ris gets a huge amount of special treatment from the county board. Kierans Collage, Good Counsel, Castlecomer Cs etc does far more for the development of players at 14 or 15 than the clubs or county board does or can do. They play in a structure where the 2nd string under 14 team plays in the same style as the senior team. A possible solution could be a combined Cork City schools team which worked so well in Dublin but I believe they are no allowed

0byme75341jo28

Jayop wrote: »

That's fair. I disagree with the first point because it's not that there's less games on RTE or FTA as before, Sky are showing games that wouldn't have otherwise been aired at all or airing the same games as RTE have on.

I don't think this is correct, afaik Sky got the games that TV3 would have been showing under the previous set up.

Of course I could be wrong though.

Xenophile

Frank Murphy seems to think that a redeveloped Pairc O Caoimh will be a tribute to his memory.

The most he can hope for is one or two big games here every second a year. Waterford will always prefer Thurles for their big home games.

As regards hurling,Thurles in the foreseeable future will always be seen as the home of the Hurling Quarter Finals

No atmosphere in Cork for big games compared to Killarney or Thurles!

Why spend so many millions developing a Stadium with so little atmosphere for the occional big game.

Orizio

Topcat32 wrote: »

Im not sure Kierans collage or flannans/Ard Scoil Ris gets a huge amount of special treatment from the county board. Kierans Collage, Good Counsel, Castlecomer Cs etc does far more for the development of players at 14 or 15 than the clubs or county board does or can do. They play in a structure where the 2nd string under 14 team plays in the same style as the senior team. A possible solution could be a combined Cork City schools team which worked so well in Dublin but I believe they are no allowed

No more combined teams in the Harty. People in Cork in charge prefer to focus on individual schools. Eight Cork teams in the Harty this year afaik.

commonsense.

Topcat32 wrote: »

Just viewed the Sunday Game on the RTE player, and my impression of the Donal Og commentry on Cork hurling is that he focused on having a dig at Frank Murphy, who Cork players love when they are coming up in front of a disiplinary panel, and ignored the chance offered by Henry to expand on the real problem of Cork hurling which is that there is no consistently successfull 2nd level school in Cork where as all other hurling counties have at least one school producing quality teams each year

Cork's hurling problems distilled down to one word - schools. Nonsense. Oh it were that simple. Our hurling problems run so much deeper that that.